MacGyver
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I have nothing against Canadians. I have a girl headed here right now from Ocala that is French Canadian. She said she is dressed up like Yankee Doodle Dandy all in red, white, and blue.
Maybe she'll blow your flute :26:
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Maybe she'll blow your flute :26:
catastrophe
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Re read my post.
No chit there..and none intended.
A simple personal observation towards a problem that is currently affecting my
investments south of the border.
I think your first amendment mentions the right to free speech.
Enjoy your holiday.
Go clean your handgun and have another beer.
cuda
Banned
I always keep my guns clean, and I prefer tequila to beer.
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
Number one issue I have with government in this country. The main reason for their existance is the prtection of their citizens. If they do not protect from the above, but actually partake in the theft, should they not be placed in jail alongside those they assisted? That Obama and his guys spent Billions of our money to give to the Banks, Stock Market Leaders, Auto Industry Unions, and Government entities of Fannies makes them more culpable to what has happened since.
I used to say, take any of our Presidents back to Reagan and place them alongside Prime Minister Blair, and then tell me we pick intelligent/world class leaders as our candidates for President.
And I mean both Clintons, Both Bushs, Gore, Kerry, Obama, etc.
tunnelvision69
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now if we could only get obama to resign we would be on to something!!
MarylandMark
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jayboat
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Ponder-free zone
It's hard to add anything to this discussion that hasn't already been beaten repeatedly, but now, even Peggy Noonan has seen the light and has written a fantastic piece is today's WSJ that could serve as a guidepost to conservatives and liberals alike.
A Farewell to Harms
Palin was bad for the Republicans—and the republic.
Sarah Palin's resignation gives Republicans a new opportunity to see her plain—to review the bidding, see her strengths, acknowledge her limits, and let go of her drama. It is an opportunity they should take. They mean to rebuild a great party. They need to do it on solid ground.
Her history does not need to be rehearsed at any length. Ten months ago she was embraced with friendliness by her party. The left and the media immediately overplayed their hand, with attacks on her children. The party rallied round, as a party should. She went on the trail a sensation but demonstrated in the ensuing months that she was not ready to go national and in fact never would be. She was hungry, loved politics, had charm and energy, loved walking onto the stage, waving and doing the stump speech. All good. But she was not thoughtful. She was a gifted retail politician who displayed the disadvantages of being born into a point of view (in her case a form of conservatism; elsewhere and in other circumstances, it could have been a form of liberalism) and swallowing it whole: She never learned how the other sides think, or why.
In television interviews she was out of her depth in a shallow pool. She was limited in her ability to explain and defend her positions, and sometimes in knowing them. She couldn't say what she read because she didn't read anything. She was utterly unconcerned by all this and seemed in fact rather proud of it: It was evidence of her authenticity. She experienced criticism as both partisan and cruel because she could see no truth in any of it. She wasn't thoughtful enough to know she wasn't thoughtful enough. Her presentation up to the end has been scattered, illogical, manipulative and self-referential to the point of self-reverence. "I'm not wired that way," "I'm not a quitter," "I'm standing up for our values." I'm, I'm, I'm.
In another age it might not have been terrible, but here and now it was actually rather horrifying.
McCain-Palin lost. Mrs. Palin has now stepped down, but she continues to poll high among some members of the Republican base, some of whom have taken to telling themselves Palin myths.
And click here to order her new book, Patriotic Grace. To wit, "I love her because she's so working-class." This is a favorite of some party intellectuals. She is not working class, never was, and even she, avid claimer of advantage that she is, never claimed to be and just lets others say it. Her father was a teacher and school track coach, her mother the school secretary. They were middle-class figures of respect, stability and local status. I think intellectuals call her working-class because they see the makeup, the hair, the heels and the sleds and think they're working class "tropes." Because, you know, that's what they teach in "Ways of the Working Class" at Yale and Dartmouth.
What she is, is a seemingly very nice middle-class girl with ambition, appetite and no sense of personal limits.
"She's not Ivy League, that's why her rise has been thwarted! She represented the democratic ideal that you don't have to go to Harvard or Brown to prosper, and her fall represents a failure of egalitarianism." This comes from intellectuals too. They need to be told something. Ronald Reagan went to Eureka College. Richard Nixon went to Whittier College, Joe Biden to the University of Delaware. Sarah Palin graduated in the end from the University of Idaho, a school that happily notes on its Web site that it's included in U.S. News and World Report's top national schools survey. They need to be told, too, that the first Republican president was named "Abe," and he went to Princeton and got a Fulbright. Oh wait, he was an impoverished backwoods autodidact!
America doesn't need Sarah Palin to prove it was, and is, a nation of unprecedented fluidity. Her rise and seeming fall do nothing to prove or refute this.
"The elites hate her." The elites made her. It was the elites of the party, the McCain campaign and the conservative media that picked her and pushed her. The base barely knew who she was. It was the elites, from party operatives to public intellectuals, who advanced her and attacked those who said she lacked heft. She is a complete elite confection. She might as well have been a bonbon.
"She makes the Republican Party look inclusive." She makes the party look stupid, a party of the easily manipulated.
"She shows our ingenuous interest in all classes." She shows your cynicism.
"Now she can prepare herself for higher office by studying up, reading in, boning up on the issues." Mrs. Palin's supporters have been ordering her to spend the next two years reflecting and pondering. But she is a ponder-free zone. She can memorize the names of the presidents of Pakistan, but she is not going to be able to know how to think about Pakistan. Why do her supporters not see this? Maybe they think "not thoughtful" is a working-class trope!
"The media did her in." Her lack of any appropriate modesty did her in. Actually, it's arguable that membership in the self-esteem generation harmed her. For 30 years the self-esteem movement told the young they're perfect in every way. It's yielding something new in history: an entire generation with no proper sense of inadequacy.
"Turning to others means the media won!" No, it means they lose. What the mainstream media wants is not to kill her but to keep her story going forever. She hurts, as they say, the Republican brand, with her mess and her rhetorical jabberwocky and her careless causing of division. Really, she is the most careless sower of discord since George W. Bush, who fractured the party and the movement that made him. Why wouldn't the media want to keep that going?
Here's why all this matters. The world is a dangerous place. It has never been more so, or more complicated, more straining of the reasoning powers of those with actual genius and true judgment. This is a time for conservative leaders who know how to think.
Here are a few examples of what we may face in the next 10 years: a profound and prolonged American crash, with the admission of bankruptcy and the spread of deep social unrest; one or more American cities getting hit with weapons of mass destruction from an unknown source; faint glimmers of actual secessionist movements as Americans for various reasons and in various areas decide the burdens and assumptions of the federal government are no longer attractive or legitimate.
The era we face, that is soon upon us, will require a great deal from our leaders. They had better be sturdy. They will have to be gifted. There will be many who cannot, and should not, make the cut. Now is the time to look for those who can. And so the Republican Party should get serious, as serious as the age, because that is what a grown-up, responsible party—a party that deserves to lead—would do.
It's not a time to be frivolous, or to feel the temptation of resentment, or the temptation of thinking next year will be more or less like last year, and the assumptions of our childhoods will more or less reign in our future. It won't be that way.
We are going to need the best.
It's hard to add anything to this discussion that hasn't already been beaten repeatedly, but now, even Peggy Noonan has seen the light and has written a fantastic piece is today's WSJ that could serve as a guidepost to conservatives and liberals alike.
A Farewell to Harms
Palin was bad for the Republicans—and the republic.
Sarah Palin's resignation gives Republicans a new opportunity to see her plain—to review the bidding, see her strengths, acknowledge her limits, and let go of her drama. It is an opportunity they should take. They mean to rebuild a great party. They need to do it on solid ground.
Her history does not need to be rehearsed at any length. Ten months ago she was embraced with friendliness by her party. The left and the media immediately overplayed their hand, with attacks on her children. The party rallied round, as a party should. She went on the trail a sensation but demonstrated in the ensuing months that she was not ready to go national and in fact never would be. She was hungry, loved politics, had charm and energy, loved walking onto the stage, waving and doing the stump speech. All good. But she was not thoughtful. She was a gifted retail politician who displayed the disadvantages of being born into a point of view (in her case a form of conservatism; elsewhere and in other circumstances, it could have been a form of liberalism) and swallowing it whole: She never learned how the other sides think, or why.
In television interviews she was out of her depth in a shallow pool. She was limited in her ability to explain and defend her positions, and sometimes in knowing them. She couldn't say what she read because she didn't read anything. She was utterly unconcerned by all this and seemed in fact rather proud of it: It was evidence of her authenticity. She experienced criticism as both partisan and cruel because she could see no truth in any of it. She wasn't thoughtful enough to know she wasn't thoughtful enough. Her presentation up to the end has been scattered, illogical, manipulative and self-referential to the point of self-reverence. "I'm not wired that way," "I'm not a quitter," "I'm standing up for our values." I'm, I'm, I'm.
In another age it might not have been terrible, but here and now it was actually rather horrifying.
McCain-Palin lost. Mrs. Palin has now stepped down, but she continues to poll high among some members of the Republican base, some of whom have taken to telling themselves Palin myths.
And click here to order her new book, Patriotic Grace. To wit, "I love her because she's so working-class." This is a favorite of some party intellectuals. She is not working class, never was, and even she, avid claimer of advantage that she is, never claimed to be and just lets others say it. Her father was a teacher and school track coach, her mother the school secretary. They were middle-class figures of respect, stability and local status. I think intellectuals call her working-class because they see the makeup, the hair, the heels and the sleds and think they're working class "tropes." Because, you know, that's what they teach in "Ways of the Working Class" at Yale and Dartmouth.
What she is, is a seemingly very nice middle-class girl with ambition, appetite and no sense of personal limits.
"She's not Ivy League, that's why her rise has been thwarted! She represented the democratic ideal that you don't have to go to Harvard or Brown to prosper, and her fall represents a failure of egalitarianism." This comes from intellectuals too. They need to be told something. Ronald Reagan went to Eureka College. Richard Nixon went to Whittier College, Joe Biden to the University of Delaware. Sarah Palin graduated in the end from the University of Idaho, a school that happily notes on its Web site that it's included in U.S. News and World Report's top national schools survey. They need to be told, too, that the first Republican president was named "Abe," and he went to Princeton and got a Fulbright. Oh wait, he was an impoverished backwoods autodidact!
America doesn't need Sarah Palin to prove it was, and is, a nation of unprecedented fluidity. Her rise and seeming fall do nothing to prove or refute this.
"The elites hate her." The elites made her. It was the elites of the party, the McCain campaign and the conservative media that picked her and pushed her. The base barely knew who she was. It was the elites, from party operatives to public intellectuals, who advanced her and attacked those who said she lacked heft. She is a complete elite confection. She might as well have been a bonbon.
"She makes the Republican Party look inclusive." She makes the party look stupid, a party of the easily manipulated.
"She shows our ingenuous interest in all classes." She shows your cynicism.
"Now she can prepare herself for higher office by studying up, reading in, boning up on the issues." Mrs. Palin's supporters have been ordering her to spend the next two years reflecting and pondering. But she is a ponder-free zone. She can memorize the names of the presidents of Pakistan, but she is not going to be able to know how to think about Pakistan. Why do her supporters not see this? Maybe they think "not thoughtful" is a working-class trope!
"The media did her in." Her lack of any appropriate modesty did her in. Actually, it's arguable that membership in the self-esteem generation harmed her. For 30 years the self-esteem movement told the young they're perfect in every way. It's yielding something new in history: an entire generation with no proper sense of inadequacy.
"Turning to others means the media won!" No, it means they lose. What the mainstream media wants is not to kill her but to keep her story going forever. She hurts, as they say, the Republican brand, with her mess and her rhetorical jabberwocky and her careless causing of division. Really, she is the most careless sower of discord since George W. Bush, who fractured the party and the movement that made him. Why wouldn't the media want to keep that going?
Here's why all this matters. The world is a dangerous place. It has never been more so, or more complicated, more straining of the reasoning powers of those with actual genius and true judgment. This is a time for conservative leaders who know how to think.
Here are a few examples of what we may face in the next 10 years: a profound and prolonged American crash, with the admission of bankruptcy and the spread of deep social unrest; one or more American cities getting hit with weapons of mass destruction from an unknown source; faint glimmers of actual secessionist movements as Americans for various reasons and in various areas decide the burdens and assumptions of the federal government are no longer attractive or legitimate.
The era we face, that is soon upon us, will require a great deal from our leaders. They had better be sturdy. They will have to be gifted. There will be many who cannot, and should not, make the cut. Now is the time to look for those who can. And so the Republican Party should get serious, as serious as the age, because that is what a grown-up, responsible party—a party that deserves to lead—would do.
It's not a time to be frivolous, or to feel the temptation of resentment, or the temptation of thinking next year will be more or less like last year, and the assumptions of our childhoods will more or less reign in our future. It won't be that way.
We are going to need the best.
Expensive Date
New member
As of right know I think I have to admit Jay was right about her
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
And as far as Palin goes, the day she announced she was leaving the job she was elected to do, on top of the fact she had no more experience than Obama, on top of the reason for leaving was not for anything but a selfish reason, made her a nobody in my mind.
How many of you have walked away from your responsibilities for such a good reason as hers?
How many of you have walked away from your responsibilities for such a good reason as hers?
Offshoredrillin
New member
flip side to that is the people that STAY for the selfish reasons, Like Bill Clinton, he was impeached and wouldn't leave, like Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, John Murtha, the Gov of SC Sanford, Blegovich, the gay republican that was playing footsies in the bathroom.
Thats an interesting article and I'm sure has some truth, however at least she had sack enough to walk away, selfish or not, it's not on our dime anymore.
LaughingCat
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It just friggin' hit me. Thank Fvckin' GOD she resigned. Now, if she will just go away, the conservative movement MIGHT regain brain and move forward. If you are a Palin-lover. . . wake the fvck up and read a book. The movement doesn't need you.
She's running the party in the ground as she exposes just how uninteligent and weak-minded her followers and the religious right are. get off the loser bandwagon and get on the RIGHT path. SERIOUSLY! Wake the FVCK up!
She's running the party in the ground as she exposes just how uninteligent and weak-minded her followers and the religious right are. get off the loser bandwagon and get on the RIGHT path. SERIOUSLY! Wake the FVCK up!
cuda
Banned
It wouldn't hurt you to learn how to converse in a better language. You are an embarassment to all Americans regardless of political leanings.
Wrinkleface
Founding Member
U'd hit a crippled turtle ya perv!!!!!:boxing_smiley:
LaughingCat
New member
Seriously, you're right, the vodka adds more f bombs than necessary. But someone has the state the obvious. She is a political dolt, the real life equivalent of "Goldie Hawn Goes to DC". Some traditional Conservatives, who don't invest their entire political propaganda intake on cable news, realized long ago how hollow and dangerous her character is in the ever-progressing story of the Conservative movement.
Regardless of political persuasion, it is obvious she is drilling huge holes on the hull of the SS Conservative Movement and most of the loyal followers are simply commenting on how hot she looks holding the drill. My previous post may not have possessed eloquent diatribe, but it's becoming an embarrassment to watch from the rest of the fleet as this ship goes down. Years later, people will look back with anger at Mccain's choice and Palin public existence. Alaskans already are.
Sorry if I offend, but I'd rather NOT see the Republican party go forward investing its future in a presidential candidate GAURANTEED to get Obama's re-elected.
Someone please keep this post for December 2012 as the first person to assure you that palin will get Obama re-elected. You might then hear him say, "I just gained huge political capital, and I intend to spend it."
Offshoredrillin
New member
Good post, but in 2012 I'm looking for a Mitt Romney/ Newt Gingrich ticket
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
Mitt really does have a disadvantage due to his religeous beliefs. Too easy to make stuff up about. But, that would be a very interesting ticket.
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