What is the difference between a performance boat and an offshore boat?

[DAREDEVIL]

What's a Fountain?? Is that that company that went out of business a while back??!!


:biggrinjester:

HAHA,,,yes,like Cigarette did 22 times. LOL:sifone:

 

[CarBiz]

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skipping the "pet manufacturer" part-

Not really hard and fast rule but there are "rules of thumb".

Any boat with a decent power to weight ratio can be called a "performance boat."

An "offshore boat" is typically a V hull (cats do apply however) that displays a V entry of between 21 and 24 degrees with 24 degrees being the accepted sweet spot by history and reality. The Bertram moppie gets credited for being one of the first (I really doubt it is) 24 degree v's to make a marked difference in offshore performance races.

V angles shallower than that are more typical of lake boats that dont have to cut through large waves - that said some "Lakes" can be absolutely brutal and are worse than the oceans on occasions. Lake michigan comes to mind.

Although many boaters have "offshore boats" the vast majority on this and other sites do very little "off-shoring" but merely run up and down coasts in ideal weather as fast as they can.

In my mind a boat setup for REAL offshore running boat isolates its occupants from not only waves and chop, but allows for unrestricted fog, day and night running with safe navigation.

In the ocean and great lakes the weather can change in an instant, fog can roll in, and the wave heights and periods can change faster than updates on the internet.

In short you can be as cautious as can be but you cant always depend on the weather cooperating, the ability to get you home when it gets bad is critical difference between a fast ocean capable boat and one set up for REAL offshore running.


Uncle Dave

Some good info thanks!!!

 

[Bradz]

In a cat we just outrun the storms. :seeya:

 

[Matt Trulio]

What a good question.

As a writer, I've often used the terms interchangeably, but here's my take:

1. All offshore boats (big go-fast V-bottoms and catamarans) are "performance boats."
2. All performance boats, however, are not offshore boats. There's any number of river cats and V-bottom sport boats with great performance that couldn't cut it offshore.

Hope this helps.

 

[Ratickle]

Hey Matt. You gonna be in LOTO this weekend?

 

[Matt Trulio]

No, I wish. Have fun.

Heard the Shootout was great ... as usual.

 

[Dude! Sweet!]

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skipping the "pet manufacturer" part-

Not really hard and fast rule but there are "rules of thumb".

Any boat with a decent power to weight ratio can be called a "performance boat."

An "offshore boat" is typically a V hull (cats do apply however) that displays a V entry of between 21 and 24 degrees with 24 degrees being the accepted sweet spot by history and reality. The Bertram moppie gets credited for being one of the first (I really doubt it is) 24 degree v's to make a marked difference in offshore performance races.

V angles shallower than that are more typical of lake boats that dont have to cut through large waves - that said some "Lakes" can be absolutely brutal and are worse than the oceans on occasions. Lake michigan comes to mind.

Although many boaters have "offshore boats" the vast majority on this and other sites do very little "off-shoring" but merely run up and down coasts in ideal weather as fast as they can.

In my mind a boat setup for REAL offshore running boat isolates its occupants from not only waves and chop, but allows for unrestricted fog, day and night running with safe navigation.

In the ocean and great lakes the weather can change in an instant, fog can roll in, and the wave heights and periods can change faster than updates on the internet.

In short you can be as cautious as can be but you cant always depend on the weather cooperating, the ability to get you home when it gets bad is critical difference between a fast ocean capable boat and one set up for REAL offshore running.


Uncle Dave

And all this time I figured you used that big radar to go fishing for square grouper... :26:

 

[inbetween]

1st picture Buddy Davis??

I have no idea. Found it online. http://www.lowprofilecharters.com/

 

[Uncle Dave]

And all this time I figured you used that big radar to go fishing for square grouper... :26:

Or threatening to microwave my buddies heads that want to fish in my rig!
Im still trying to justify why I put a commercial fishing quality sounder in- but hey... its toys at this stage right ?

All kidding aside- you nailed it as usual dude.
Yes - I was referring to that "magic invention" radar. Without radar you are simply f-ed. In fog, night and storms. Then you get the big boy combination of the all above in mixed quantities.

Im going to stay out of the brand thing for now- and focus on situational awareness, this is as critical as hull shape & length & horsepower.
all the HP in the worlds no good when you are blind.

The ability to navigate confidently and safely under any conditions is a game changer. Modern marine electronics allow unprecedented capabilities and situational awareness.

You maybe you can outrun the weather, but you cant outrun a 20 mile deep zero visibility fog bank in between you and your destination.
Lets see what kind of pace you can run in that without a radar.

Night time - coming home through a commercial traffic zone. Its hard to see running lights at night silhouetted against a city background coming back from Catalina, throw in the occasional deadly tug & its 2 stacked lights, towing a barge with a 1/2 mile long steel cable in between and (assuming you've gone to coast guard safety class and even know what that means)

That scenario kills a bunch of people every year- i KNOW it wont happen to me. I can pick those guys 20 miles out on AIS and 3-8 miles out on radar traveling in a pair leaving a double streak. (3 miles to see at the horizon based on radar height ship size stretches it from there.)

What can be a real white knuckle trip turns into fun while you become "Sulu" on the bridge of the enterprise, Your nav packages handles the chore of informing you of all this crap - you can concentrate on driving.

I see dozens of "performance boats" waiting next to the sea walls/harbor entrances sitting out the fog every time I go out or come in on fog which is about 1/3 to 1/2 the time now.

Wave handling is one primary factor in an offshore capability.
Complete situational awareness is another.


UD

 

[Bobcat]

wasn't sulu the gay one (california):dupe:

 

[Uncle Dave]

wasn't sulu the gay one (california):dupe:

Han Solo... uh yeah ....I meant Han Solo.....

Gay-? look at me... I'm not in that kind of shape!


UD

 

[PARADOX]

Offshore. = Any boat you have the ballz to go far enough out to sea or lake that you can't see land anymore.
Performance boat. = Any boat that you dumped enough $ to outdo the avarage.

Offshore Perfomance. = that's us guys. = SeriousOffshore.

 

[Carguy]

I thought Apache was the only offshore boat? My mistake. Ive been reading too much.

 

[MikeyFIN]

an Offshore boat has race numbers on it, a powerboat is the civilian version with glass fairings etc which ain´t allowed racing.

 

[MikeyFIN]

I thought Apache was the only offshore boat? My mistake. Ive been reading too much.

or too little...

you forgot a lot of offshore boats that gave Apaches some serious headache ...and still do.


At Cowes 2009 a CUV 38 beat an Apache41...just like in the old days..:boxing_smiley:
And the Seas are just ok..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdZMcbGfwIc

 

[Geronimo36]

or too little...

you forgot a lot of offshore boats that gave Apaches some serious headache ...and still do.


At Cowes 2009 a CUV 38 beat an Apache41...just like in the old days..:boxing_smiley:
And the Seas are just ok..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdZMcbGfwIc

But but but... Papache said that Apache runs 118 mph or something crazy like that.......:rofl::rofl::rofl::icon_bs:

Stinson ought to get a kick outta that!

What class were they running in?

 

[Davidmnc]

We were out in the Pacific/Columbia River Bar once in my Dad's 18 1/2 footer in 40 to 45's one time. Was positive we were gonna be statistics. A coast guard rescue boat sunk that day and they lost one of theirs. Got real lucky

= Stupid

 

[Offshore Ginger]

Car Biz , glad to se you made it here and you still might have a few good days left on the boat and alway's time for Sailor Jerry's .:sifone:

 

[CarBiz]

Car Biz , glad to se you made it here and you still might have a few good days left on the boat and alway's time for Sailor Jerry's .:sifone:

Sat night Artie:sifone: I am hoping to get some props to try from Ben:driving: