V vs Cat question.....

[Seafordguy]

How does a large cat (like a 44+ MTI or Nortech) handle 2-3 footers at cruising speed compared to a Cafe or a Top Gun?

Is the ride substantially rougher, or fairly comparable with the increase in size/etc....?

 

[Airpacker]

44 cat, 2 to 3 footers = what waves? Cruising speed at 100 or so they feel like rumble strips on the highway. The joy of "air ride".

 

[PARADOX]

2-3's ? Thats a ripple in the water for any boat.
I'm not a cat man, but size does matter.
5-6's a "large cat" will hande better then a small "V" like 38 or 39 V. But if all things are equal... a 38 "V" will be better then a 38 Cat in 5-6's. In MHO.

 

[Seafordguy]

5-6's a "large cat" will hande better then a small "V" like 38 or 39 V. But if all things are equal... a 38 "V" will be better then a 38 Cat in 5-6's. In MHO.

This was exactly what I thought made sense, but figured I'd ask those with some first hand experience...

 

[MikeyFIN]

Gotta disagree on this one... Same sized cats ride better even in 5-6´s

Speedwise a 28/30 cat is a good compromise and eats up almost any Deep Vee within 10+ feet or more.

 

[MikeyFIN]

44 cat, 2 to 3 footers = what waves? Cruising speed at 100 or so they feel like rumble strips on the highway. The joy of "air ride".

And Deep Vees struggle to even reach that speed... no matter what the size...

 

[tallpaulelvis]

no comparison, a cat will ride much better in big waves as it rides on top the waves and can span them vs. a vee that goes up and down thru them

 

[Offshore Ginger]

2-3's ? Thats a ripple in the water for any boat.
I'm not a cat man, but size does matter.
5-6's a "large cat" will hande better then a small "V" like 38 or 39 V. But if all things are equal... a 38 "V" will be better then a 38 Cat in 5-6's. In MHO.

Sorry guy that is a very old wifes tale or myth and i would rather be in a CAT then a V in those type of seas because it is a much smooooooother ride and besides when can you do triple digits with a V in 5-6 's ?

 

[PARADOX]

Gotta disagree on this one... Same sized cats ride better even in 5-6´s

Speedwise a 28/30 cat is a good compromise and eats up almost any Deep Vee within 10+ feet or more.

Sorry my friend. No way. Many Poker runs the smaller cats in 4-6's have to slow down and the "V"s are keep going. I can even send you the helo coverage. While I do agree that HP to HP a cat is faster, but as far as handlng rougher seas that cat will loose up to around 40+- '. Once you get above 40' +- the cats will have enough weight and lenghts to hande the waves. The smaller cats have to span the dips and as soon as one sponcen hits wrong, now you'r in trouble. The "v" s while slower can hande and cut through the waves. It's not a matter of preference.. it's a matter of physics and hydrodyanamics.
Now let's turn this around a bit. 16' cat and a 16' "V" the cat will be faster, but it will need glass to ride on, while the v can get to some chit.

 

[nortech4play]

I"ll take the ride in my 36' cat in 5' to 6's over any "V". That's not to say they can smash through them but the ride in a cat is superior without all the jarring and bouncing about... Regardless of whether your on a Poker Run or not...

 

[Sean H]

Sorry my friend. No way. Many Poker runs the smaller cats in 4-6's have to slow down and the "V"s are keep going. I can even send you the helo coverage. While I do agree that HP to HP a cat is faster, but as far as handlng rougher seas that cat will loose up to around 40+- '. Once you get above 40' +- the cats will have enough weight and lenghts to hande the waves. The smaller cats have to span the dips and as soon as one sponcen hits wrong, now you'r in trouble. The "v" s while slower can hande and cut through the waves. It's not a matter of preference.. it's a matter of physics and hydrodyanamics.
Now let's turn this around a bit. 16' cat and a 16' "V" the cat will be faster, but it will need glass to ride on, while the v can get to some chit.

you need to watch racing a little closer where it matters... you will see 32 ob cats out run twin engine bigger vees all the time... period.

do you think you could run with a 368 skater (35') with your avanti?

 

[MikeyFIN]

Sorry my friend. No way. Many Poker runs the smaller cats in 4-6's have to slow down and the "V"s are keep going. .

Well at the poker runs I wouldn´t be surprised...

Get my point.
No need to argue but why are the raceboats Always faster as cats in any conditions and have been the last 25 yrs almost constantly.
Just ask any racer that has had to race against cats.

 

[MikeyFIN]

do you think you could run with a 368 skater (35') with your avanti?

Damn you.... I just foamed by brewski :cheers2:

 

[MikeyFIN]

What is the last Apache Racing....

A Michael Peters design.. not Don Aronow...

TEAM WARPAINT!


and the Vee is in the Garage.

 

[Sean H]

kw wed, kinda bumpy.... amsoil averaged in the mid 80's, muscle and global warmer ran in the high 70's.... same power, longer vee's... cat wins out.

the 32 ob guys were averaging the same times as the 525 vee guys.

 

[cuda]

Ain't a boat ever made that can run hard in ten footers in the Gulf. I doubt any of them could get on a plane. The Atlantic is different, there might be a quarter mile between waves. In the Gulf, they are right on top of each other.

 

[Slandrew]

Nobodys running in 10' seas cat or V!:beatdeadhorse5:

 

[MikeyFIN]

and anything above that sinks even Ferries....
Remember M/S Estonia

 

[WeaponX]

A Cat has two of the little things on the bottom and a V has one two must be better right??:ack2:




















V guys always fight on this one.:sifone:

 

[PARADOX]

you need to watch racing a little closer where it matters... you will see 32 ob cats out run twin engine bigger vees all the time... period.

do you think you could run with a 368 skater (35') with your avanti?

Sean
And with all do respect to everyone.. I don't need to "watch" the races. I did them in both type of boats. And no.. I can't run with a cat in the same size as my Avanti,, at least not at the same speed. Like I said.. the cats are faster. However.. most races you won't see 5 -6's. In fact.. most boaters don't even know what a 5' wave is anyway. (They can look at a wave diagram, if they ar realy curious, crest to trough.)
That being said... the cat is really a "V" split and spread. The half "V" won't hit the water the same time, therfore you actually get more bumps. But again.. most cats are sit downs and "V" are stand up bolster, so even the "feel" is different. IN a "V you "higher" up and thus THERE is more motion, even if the ride may be actually smoother.
But Sean.. I bet a years salary, that your cat will and a similar size Nortech "V", that the "V" will have less up and down motion at the same speed. We can get an indipendant observer see the gyroscope read outs, at same speeds and same seas. (or I can get Terry Sobo from NT send you the older results)
No need to argue. I think it boils down to prference,
Cats are faster,, "V" will hande seas better.
In the Balde runner run in Europe.. I have not seen any cats. (Could be wrong, but all I seen are "V") Those seas are not 5-6's.. more like 15-16's.

Well at the poker runs I wouldn´t be surprised...

MikeyFinn>>>> Get my point.
No need to argue but why are the raceboats Always faster as cats in any conditions and have been the last 25 yrs almost constantly.
Just ask any racer that has had to race against cats.

Like I said Mick.. most races are not in some serious seas.
I have nothing against cats. In a 32- 40 or so.. I want more comfort and room. I want a bed that I can have some fun.
Unless you get to the bigger cats.. the cuddy is virtually nonexistent. So again... it's preference.
The problem with this old debate is that whom ever asking the question won't get an honest objective answer. They get the the owners bias preferences.

IE. KW. AquaMan fliped in calm seas. OL fliped during the race in relatively light seas. It's preference. If I want speed, I get a cat. If I want room to have some "extra curricular activity" I'll get a "V" with a cuddy.
My sex needs is stronger (so far) then the "need for speed", so let's leave it at that.:leaving: