This really ****es me off - new BS law

[45calibur]

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this is complete bullshhitt . whats next , is someone from the government goanna hold my had evereytime I cross the street

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Beginning November 1, 2009, Section 40, Subdivision 1 of the New York State Navigation Law shall be amended by adding new paragraph (e), which reads as follows:

No owner or operator of a pleasure vessel less than twenty-one feet, including rowboats, canoes, and kayaks shall permit its operation, between November first and May first, unless each person on board such vessel is wearing a securely fastened United States Coast Guard approved wearable personal flotation device of an appropriate size when such vessel is underway.

Failure to wear a lifejacket on such vessels will be considered a violation under Section 73-c if the Navigation Law and is punishable by a fine of not less than $100 nor more than $250, applicable to either the operator and/or the owner of the vessel.

Information provided by:

www.safeboatingamerica.com
Boating and Personal Watercraft Education and Certification
Merchant Mariner Training

 

[Buoy]

so, if your in a boat less than 21' between Nov. and May you need to wear a life vest?
Doesn't sound excessive.
Invasive, absolutely!!
Leave me the F alone to do what I choose to do.

 

[Ratickle]

It would be interesting to read the reasoning behind the bill.

 

[catastrophe]

Could it not be in recognition of cold water conditions in those months where the rescue by others if someone is in trouble is enhanced if the person needing rescue is at least floating?
Doesnt it equate to the speeding,seatbelt,motorcycle helmet law?
An attempt to mitigate the obvious problem caused by hypothermia.

Rescuers in these situations need to be protected somewhat too.

I dont know how many policeman and firemen up here risk their lives each winter trying to save people that have fallen in cold water and are overdressed for water conditions and cant help themselves by swimming because of temperatures and immobility due to bulky clothes.

All seems reasonable to me.

 

[Ratickle]

Could it not be in recognition of cold water conditions in those months where the rescue by others if someone is in trouble is enhanced if the person needing rescue is at least floating?
Doesnt it equate to the seatbelt,motorcycle helmet law?

That's what I was thinking. Even if you're a very good swimmer. In New York you fall out of a boat while fishing in January, you're gonna freeze and sink really quickly.....

But that kinda makes too much sense for the politicians to figure out.....

 

[catastrophe]

Boating Accidents 1995
1.85 percent of those who drowned from a boat were not wearing lifejackets or PFDs.

2.27 percent of boat drownings were caused at least in part by alchohol.
3.Most accidents with boats involve people 25 to 40 years old.
4.Many fisherman who drown were found without a lifejacket. The boat was usually 14 feet long and there was frequently a case of empties, suggesting that the fisheman may have been answering the call of nature, standing very close to the gunwale, when he fell in.
5.More than 50,000 personal watercraft have been sold in Canada, an astonishing 25 percent of annual boat sales. It is feared that unless something in done, the percentage of accidents involving these craft may match their sales.

6.Most boating accidents occur in craft less than 18 feet long. Luxury cruisers longer than 50 feet rarely run into anything.
7.Canoes account for an astonishing 30 percent of boating fatalities in Canada.
8.No recorded drownings have taken place involving paddleboats (unless a power boat ran into one).

9.Drowning is the number one accident killer of children. 40% of children who drown were geing supervised at the time.
10.Infants and childrencan lose consciousness in as little as 30 seconds after falling into the water.
PWC's have proportionally more accidents than other types of boats and the majority of deaths are caused by collisions. Deaths from other types of boats are mainly people drowning without a lifejacket.

A 1995 survey concluded that 90% of boating drownings in Canada occur in inclement weather. Check weather on the Internet by radio, TV, telephone, newspapers, VHF broadcasts!

It's never been shown that licenced operators improve safety or fatalities. [Education may be another matter. Besides, a boating course is a good winter project for the whole family.

 

[C_Spray]

....85 percent of those who drowned from a boat were not wearing lifejackets or PFDs...

...Many fisherman who drown were found without a lifejacket. The boat was usually 14 feet long...

...Most boating accidents occur in craft less than 18 feet long...

...Canoes account for an astonishing 30 percent of boating fatalities in Canada...

...A 1995 survey concluded that 90% of boating drownings in Canada occur in inclement weather...

Makes sense to me. Some people DO need to be protected from themselves.

 

[Bgchuby01]

I agree that its for the winter months when you are wearing more clothes and if you go in the drink it would be harder to stay afloat

 

[Chris]

If you're winter boating in NY and don't wear a life jacket, you probably do fit the description of someone that needs some government intervention.

 

[Bgchuby01]

ditto

 

[Trim'd Up]

I'm sorry but I am about tired of government intervention. Let Darwin have the idiots. Natural selection is getting all F-ed up so the population balance of stupid vs intelligent is getting out of whack.

 

[Chris]

I'd be all with you if it was just the fools doing away with themselves. But unfortunately there's a big ripple effect.

First off, someone else is going to have to risk their lives to attempt a rescue- or retrieve the bodies. And while they're doing that, someone else's child may be choking to death with no assistance on the way. Now let's asume the person is rescued but near-drowned and has brain damage. Guess who gets to foot the bill? Yep- you and me and everyone else that pays taxes. Or pays a business' insurance premiums.

I'm all for personal freedoms, but how much do I have to pay every year to care for the guy that wasn't wearing a helmet, smoked himself to lung cancer or ate himself to heart disease or a stroke?

 

[catastrophe]

A free SOS T shirt goes to the thread starter if this thread ends without the presidents name being mentioned!!!!!!!!

 

[Wobble]

A free SOS T shirt goes to the thread starter if this thread ends without the presidents name being mentioned!!!!!!!!

That would be something wouldn't it.


I am inclined to agree with the logic behind this rule.

 

[Ratickle]

A free SOS T shirt goes to the thread starter if this thread ends without the presidents name being mentioned!!!!!!!!

Now you just ruined all our fun.

Is there a time limit??????:sifone:

 

[BBB725]

A free SOS T shirt goes to the thread starter if this thread ends without the presidents name being mentioned!!!!!!!!

Which president?:biggrinjester:

 

[Big Time]

I can see the point for this law, but this is how it all starts...first it is 21 ft vessals, then they amend the language to 30 ft vessels and so on. The next thing you know you are in your 40 ft cruiser being stopped by the local police getting a ticket because you weren't wearing your life jacket in you fully enclosed cabin!! The problem with a lot of these little laws is that they are amended and changed as the years go on and they just keep growing. I think it is a shame.

 

[TCEd]

probably should stick the lifejacket requirement on ice fishermen.
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[mosi]

If I went into the water while fishing in New York in January.......
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.......I'd just climb on top of the fishing shanty, jump on the ice and drive my 4 wheeler home

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[Trim'd Up]

I'd be all with you if it was just the fools doing away with themselves. But unfortunately there's a big ripple effect.

First off, someone else is going to have to risk their lives to attempt a rescue- or retrieve the bodies. And while they're doing that, someone else's child may be choking to death with no assistance on the way. Now let's asume the person is rescued but near-drowned and has brain damage. Guess who gets to foot the bill? Yep- you and me and everyone else that pays taxes. Or pays a business' insurance premiums.

I'm all for personal freedoms, but how much do I have to pay every year to care for the guy that wasn't wearing a helmet, smoked himself to lung cancer or ate himself to heart disease or a stroke?

The problem with that is if you save all of the stupid people, they breed with more stupid people. It is a growing problem.:sifone:

Instead of creating more laws that violate your rights and personal freedoms, why not fine the people that get themselves into trouble? If your dumb enough to fall out of a canoe in Jan with no life jacket and they have to come rescue you. You have to foot the bill. I know it won't work if they're dead.