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LotoSteve

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What do you guys predict will happen in the next year or two? I have feeling its going to get a lot worse then it is today. The borrow and spend mentality cant be sustained. Sooner or later China will stop loaning us money. The dollar will fall, interest rates will go way up, and inflation will run rampant. I cannot remember a worse situation in my lifetime. What happens if the world economy collapses?
 
If the world economy colapses..it becomes a third world world, ever been to mexico? not tourist mexico but real mexico??

It would be suicide for china if they stopped lending us money..

If the dollar implodes, there wil be a cry from the rest of the world t switch to a different universal currency, but that won't be as easy as it sounds..
 
What do you guys predict will happen in the next year or two? I have feeling its going to get a lot worse then it is today. The borrow and spend mentality cant be sustained. Sooner or later China will stop loaning us money. The dollar will fall, interest rates will go way up, and inflation will run rampant. I cannot remember a worse situation in my lifetime. What happens if the world economy collapses?


Tough call but if interest rates go up the dollar will rise.Inflation might actually be in the feds plan as it would cut the deficit and help some who are upside down on there homes.As for China they can't stop loaning us money they would crash if they did.
As for next year 4th quarter is going to be key if GDP is up we are technically out of a recession if its not the next possibility is end of 2nd quarter 2010.If GDP drops to negative in 4th quoter January will be very interesting I say we test 8500 dow at some point next year and finish about were we are now.I think we will see 125 a barrel oil next year probably before July but thats only if the dollar gains.
 
It would be suicide for china if they stopped lending us money..

They depend on us buying their stuff; even if we have to borrow from them to buy their stuff.

Washington is worse than sub-prime borrowers were and we are going to reach a point where we won't ever be able to return from.
 
They depend on us buying their stuff; even if we have to borrow from them to buy their stuff.

Washington is worse than sub-prime borrowers were and we are going to reach a point where we won't ever be able to return from.

Yes and Yes we may have already reached that point.What is interesting(nice word for FU) is 08 and 09 have been very similar to 29 including the rally before the big crash and long downward slope that lasted until WWII.The question is did all the stimulus and bail out money avert the big drop or just delay it...............
 
What do you guys predict will happen in the next year or two? I have feeling its going to get a lot worse then it is today. The borrow and spend mentality cant be sustained. Sooner or later China will stop loaning us money. The dollar will fall, interest rates will go way up, and inflation will run rampant. I cannot remember a worse situation in my lifetime. What happens if the world economy collapses?

not good!:(
 
so that never titled custom bike I am looking at for 1/3 of a new one, will drop in price even more and I should just wait.
 
it just got delayed. They were idiots for thinking they could change thinks and not let it naturally purge itself.
 
2010 - "Lick our Wounds" year
2011 - 3-4% GDP growth


Congress begins retiring unused TARP (if not doled out to citizens) in near future. Consumer hears that bail-out money they once thought was spent and unrecoverable is now being retired, deficit predictions begin to fall, and consumer starts to get confidence back. Although confidence is rising slowly, businesses see sales strengthening, leading to more productivity. Eventually, they begin filling some of the downsized positions.

Manufacturing is the key to a sustained recovery. The weak US dollar plays a big role. But also driving the cost of health care* and other items down for the business and worker will go a long way to making us competitive on the global manufacturing market. The recovery will likely not be a new asset bubble, but a long protracted and shallow sloped recovery. We are likely to deal with the bond market rolling over, but many are already predicting and preparing for that.

* We can argue all we want about who is providing the health insurance: private or public. but Japana dn China are trouncing us on manufacturing. Their governments heavily or fully subsidize the costs of health care so the businesses and workers don't have to deal with it. Those government rely heavily on sales and export taxes from manufacturing, not income and property taxes. So the more they feed back into the businesses, the more sales and export taxes they collect. Kind of a symbiotic relationship between private business and government that would make most American sick. But they're making huge private money off of it.

Or, I could be completely full of crap. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
 
Alot of you aren't going to make it ;)

Ha! I have plenty of ammo

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From a local perspective:

Neighbor at my shop- building supply wholesaler closed it's Jupiter location last week after 15+ years of being there (part of a 220 store chain in 38 states/2 billion in total sales). All employees were offered jobs at other stores (but 30+ miles away).

My neigborhood is 99% finished but in the last 10 months 4 lots sold/4 new homes started construction (one total finished in 2008).

A Meineke muffler franchise closed last month, a Dodge/Mazda dealer clsoed this summer (lost Dodge dealership, couldn't function as stand alone Mazda store) but rumor is a new BMW store is opening at that location (Jupiter has one car dealership lot grandfathered in, current zoning don't allow dealerships). A couple dozen restaurants opened/closed but that isn't abnormal.
 
Alot of you aren't going to make it ;)


phuck it...afteryears of racing..it hurts to get out of bed in the morning, my liver is shot, my hearing is shot, $5 dollar stuffed penguins are demnding $50k in ransom, i need to rake leaves and thehouse could use a coat of paint not to mention the world ends in 2012 anyways.... :ack2:
 
I wish we could go ahead and hit bottom. Anarchy might be fun for a while. I am burnt out on deer hunting but popping looters at 500 yards sounds fun. :D
 
2010 - "Lick our Wounds" year
2011 - 3-4% GDP growth

Manufacturing is the key to a sustained recovery. We are likely to deal with the bond market rolling over, but many are already predicting and preparing for that.

Or, I could be completely full of crap. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

I agree 2010 will also be difficult.

Some would argue housing is the key to a recovery...chicken and egg argument...we need jobs for sure.

What do you mean by the "bond market roilling over"?
 
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The foreclosure crisis likely will persist well into next year as high unemployment pushes more people out of homes, pulls down housing prices and raises concerns about the broader economic recovery.

The latest evidence was a report Thursday that a rising proportion of fixed-rate home loans made to people with good credit are sinking into foreclosure. That's a shift from last year, when riskier subprime loans drove the housing crisis.

The report from the Mortgage Bankers Association also found that 14 percent of homeowners with a mortgage were either behind on payments or in foreclosure at the end of September. It was a record-high figure for the ninth straight quarter.

The data suggest the housing market and the broader recovery will remain under pressure from the surge in home-loan defaults, especially as unemployment keeps rising. Lost jobs are the main reason homeowners are falling behind on their mortgages.

"There's no indication in this data that foreclosures are going to abate anytime soon," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com, who projects that nationwide home prices will fall up to 10 percent before bottoming next fall.


The remainder of this article including the states hardest hit can be read at:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Forec...2.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=7&asset=&ccode=
 
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