Michigan city turn vid

[imco offshore]

i,m sure the coast guard, won,t let that happen ever again, like scotty said no one got hurt their and it will be adjusted for next year, remember it,s their first race and the fastest boats in the world took the turn first, all well and next year will be great,

 

[Ratickle]

Even though I understand what you are saying, the boats had no choice in my estimation. Thankfully they were experienced drivers, congratulate them.

Every one of us that I was with, who looked at that turn, said get the people out of the water, the turn is very very tight.

As far as blame goes, just make sure everyone learns.

 

[ApachePete]

I was in the Miss GEICO boat, the turn was tight. In the thirty years John Carbonell has been doing this there has never been a fan incident unlike almost every other motorsport. Whats done is done andthank god nobody was hurt. I know the situation will be rectified in the future because thats is what a professional org does. They had an issue, thank god nobody got hurt and although I cannot speak for them myself, I am confident they will correct it in the future.

Thanks for standing up and speaking out.

Class act.

 

[Scotty B]

I have not defended, denied, or defamed anything. I believe there was a situation and it will be rectified. If you look at the SBI Vid it doesn't look bad at all from that angle. Seeing all the different angles puts in in a new perspective and I know it will be addressed. I know after turn 1, we changes our turning speed and style and it was never an issue after that for us.

Step one is for those responsible to admit that serious mistakes were made. That has yet to happen.

and How would you know this?

Nobody from the SBI camp with any decision making abilities is ever on this board and admmittance and rectification happens during situations at almost every race with regard to rules, safety, scoring etc. and its never on the boards. This has probably taken place already but it won't be on the boards.

 

[ApachePete]

I have not defended, denied, or defamed anything. I believe there was a situation and it will be rectified. If you look at the SBI Vid it doesn't look bad at all from that angle. Seeing all the different angles puts in in a new perspective and I know it will be addressed. I know after turn 1, we changes our turning speed and style and it was never an issue after that for us.

I never said YOU made those comments. But others certainly did.

Too bad you couldn't pracice that course before the race. Then you could have already made the adjustments you later made after the "problem."

 

[ApachePete]

[/QUOTE]and How would you know this?

Nobody from the SBI camp with any decision making abilities is ever on this board and admmittance and rectification happens during situations at almost every race with regard to rules, safety, scoring etc. and its never on the boards. This has probably taken place already but it won't be on the boards.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps SBI should state their position.

But the critical decisions concerning course layout and spectator safety on land and sea were made by other groups as well. I believe some of them have been posting on these Boards.

I believe that you guys in the boats were put in a terrible position, but managed to save the day with your skill and experience.

 

[Ratickle]

I have not defended, denied, or defamed anything. I believe there was a situation and it will be rectified. If you look at the SBI Vid it doesn't look bad at all from that angle. Seeing all the different angles puts in in a new perspective and I know it will be addressed. I know after turn 1, we changes our turning speed and style and it was never an issue after that for us.

I never said YOU made those comments. But others certainly did.

Too bad you couldn't pracice that course before the race. Then you could have already made the adjustments you later made after the "problem."

My guess, and I'm only guessing, everyone knows that now and it will be handled. Without the course setup, and people in the water, it means nothing.

Even when looking at the course, and knowing from running the tight corner buoys at St Clair the week before, I made the assumption the water would have no one in it on the outside of the course at the corner. I'm sure every other driver assumed the same thing. I've seen boats go over on a corner. People should not have been allowed in the water there, and I assumed they wouldn't be, during the race.

 

[Ratickle]

I believe that you guys in the boats were put in a terrible position, but managed to save the day with your skill and experience.

Yep, and congratulate them for that. I doubt SBI will make any statement, but I bet they had this worked out immediately and there would have been no one in the water if there had been another race after that one.

 

[Ted]

Alright, I might not know much about all this racing stuff, but I have to ask a question. Where was their Angel 1?????? It is standard procedure for the last thing before going to smoke is having the entire course flown and checked off by Angel 1. I can't see how anyone looking at that turn and those swim bouys from ABOVE could not have figured there was going to be an issue. I have had to move a turn bouy in with boats in the mill because Angel 1 said give them some more room (I bet Scotty knows which turn I'm talking about), stuff happens. So did it fly and they not see the overlap? Or not?

 

[Big Time]

Just playing devil's advocate...is it posible the marker moved at all or was it always that tight?

 

[HTMike]

The key to this situation is nobody got hurt, there isn't ( wasn't ) a public outcry about saftey, and the correct people seem to have been notified ( and im sure noticed after/during the fact ) about that first turn. The rest of the race went off without an issue. I think it needs to be dropped and not made out into a major problem since nothing happened. No harm no foul, no need to drag it through the mud over the what if.

Scotty B - Sick driving and thanks for coming to our home town ! I want to go for a ride

 

[SC288]

and How would you know this?

Nobody from the SBI camp with any decision making abilities is ever on this board and admmittance and rectification happens during situations at almost every race with regard to rules, safety, scoring etc. and its never on the boards. This has probably taken place already but it won't be on the boards.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps SBI should state their position.

But the critical decisions concerning course layout and spectator safety on land and sea were made by other groups as well. I believe some of them have been posting on these Boards.

I believe that you guys in the boats were put in a terrible position, but managed to save the day with your skill and experience.[/QUOTE]


How about dropping it....as Scotty said what's done is done. Do you honestly think that they will not make changes for next year.....and if you are so concerned about it stay at home next year so we don't have to hear your complaints. I and alot of other people are getting tired of hearing about the lack of boat's that turned out, the race course layout and the lack of racing. If you weren't there don't act like the Monday morning quarterback and if you were there this year and you did not like it stay at home next year. I was there from Thursday - Sunday on my boat and everyone I talked to had a great time. I know that between the Long Beach Police, The Michigan City Police, The DNR, The Coast Guard and SBI that they will make improvements for next year as they meet on Monday to review the weekend.

 

[Magic Medicine]

The key to this situation is nobody got hurt, there isn't ( wasn't ) a public outcry about saftey, and the correct people seem to have been notified ( and im sure noticed after/during the fact ) about that first turn. The rest of the race went off without an issue. I think it needs to be dropped and not made out into a major problem since nothing happened. No harm no foul, no need to drag it through the mud over the what if.

Scotty B - Sick driving and thanks for coming to our home town ! I want to go for a ride

and How would you know this?

Nobody from the SBI camp with any decision making abilities is ever on this board and admmittance and rectification happens during situations at almost every race with regard to rules, safety, scoring etc. and its never on the boards. This has probably taken place already but it won't be on the boards.

Perhaps SBI should state their position.

But the critical decisions concerning course layout and spectator safety on land and sea were made by other groups as well. I believe some of them have been posting on these Boards.

I believe that you guys in the boats were put in a terrible position, but managed to save the day with your skill and experience.[/QUOTE]


How about dropping it....as Scotty said what's done is done. Do you honestly think that they will not make changes for next year.....and if you are so concerned about it stay at home next year so we don't have to hear your complaints. I and alot of other people are getting tired of hearing about the lack of boat's that turned out, the race course layout and the lack of racing. If you weren't there don't act like the Monday morning quarterback and if you were there this year and you did not like it stay at home next year. I was there from Thursday - Sunday on my boat and everyone I talked to had a great time. I know that between the Long Beach Police, The Michigan City Police, The DNR, The Coast Guard and SBI that they will make improvements for next year as they meet on Monday to review the weekend.[/QUOTE]

Well put! I guess all the arm chair QB's have to get there .02 in there! For you arm chair guys how bout keeping it quiet and not dragging the racers threw the mud!

thanks again to all the racers for the great show!

 

[WETTE VETTE]

I agree that a change will be required for next year, but I have a question. What was the point of the practice time on Saturday? I didn't see any turn bouys in the water and the would be course was riddled with spectators. Honestly I don't see how that practice session could have been of any benefit to the racers other than to get them familiar with the layout of the Michigan City pier arrangement. If the course was in place and the spectators were kept out of the course the race layout could have been adjusted a bit after after the racers reported that the course was a little too close to spectators. Anyway it was a great event and next year it will be even better with the learning curve.

Craig

 

[ApachePete]

How about dropping it....

I'm happy to, and will, now that there's agreement that things need to be changed.

Recall that for 2 days, there were mostly comments that everything was just fine: that the incident never happened, or that it wasn't a big deal if it did.

As to the popularity of the race, the first comment I made Sunday was about the large turn-out. It was amazing, as is the Michigan City venue.

I'm pleased to hear that the races will return in future years: they'll get better and better, especially if some unity can develop between the various race organizations, and the classes can be streamlined.

I mean all of these coments as constructive, and am sorry that they have been taken as critical. I took the T2X "charm-school" course, but perhaps I need a refresher.

 

[SHARKEY-IMAGES]

How about dropping it....as Scotty said what's done is done.

Everyone can drop it all they want here, but this situation has already made it certain Coast Guard Stations here on the east coast and calls have already been coming in.

Perhaps the people responsible for giving the green light on the course should have taken notice of what the city of Ocean City, Md did this year when they wanted the boats in closer to the beach.

They CLOSED THE WATER OFF TO SWIMMERS during the races.

Let's hope this issue doesn't send shockwaves through the Coast Guard now and force all the races far offshore once again...

Answer to the future races for Michigan City. CLOSE THE WATER OFF TO SWIMMERS DURING THE RACE.

I think the hour out of the water would be acceptable for the swimmers, especially when their lives are in danger.

 

[Ratickle]

I took the T2X "charm-school" course, but perhaps I need a refresher.

I'll let him know.......:sifone:

 

[GENERAL LEE]

If they were told to move back I could see our point, if not they have had no idea they were in danger.

I agree with you. :cheers2:

I also admit to having a difficult time being patient with people that refuse to be responsible for their OWN actions. There just seems to ALWAYS be "that guy", who ruins what would be a well run, safe, event.

To be honest, I don't think "that guy" (or: dipchit) should dictate how well the safety staff did, purely based on the fact that without the authority to shoot the moron causing trouble, they cannot prevent someone from streaking the 72nd green on NBC. :willy_nilly::USA:

 

[Geronimo36]

I agree with you. :cheers2:

I also admit to having a difficult time being patient with people that refuse to be responsible for their OWN actions. There just seems to ALWAYS be "that guy", who ruins what would be a well run, safe, event.

To be honest, I don't think "that guy" (or: dipchit) should dictate how well the safety staff did, purely based on the fact that without the authority to shoot the moron causing trouble, they cannot prevent someone from streaking the 72nd green on NBC. :willy_nilly::USA:

Amen!!

I'll tell ya what, a few years ago when I was the turn boat for in Patchogue and also doing photography for the Gieco shoot with the airplanes, the coast guard and sweep boats had a helluva time pushing the boats back to a safe distance. for the photo shoot, everytime we would move forward so we had a clear path to shoot the photos, some jackazz would move forward to get a clearer view. Then there was the turn, the coast guard and the sweep boats tried pushing everyone back and as soon as they would clear some jackazz would pull in closer, then everyone else would follow like a swarm of bee's... In addition, because everyone was moored in so darn close and we were doing the photoshoot it took us an additional 20-30 minutes to find the turn bouy and set up shop. There were so many boats moored and refused to move they actually had to move the turn bouy and alter the original course layout. At the same time my radio was inoperable and we had difficulty communicating with race control, and luckilly one of the dive boats helps us get the word out so we could get some help.

I take full responsibility for the radio issue and appologize profusely but it was frustrating trying to get the people to move...

It's a lot of work getting these races set up and I applaud all the volunteers and organizers for their hard work! I'm confident they'll do a better job next year! OPA did a great job last year in Patchogue. Also, when I was a sweep boat in Pt. Pleasant last year OPA (radio worked ) did a fanastic job along with the other volunteers and the Coast Guard!!:driving:

 

[Ratickle]

I put this in the other thread also.

Look guys, I want to clear up a few things going on for those who weren't there........

Could something have gone wrong and something bad have happened, yep. Did it, nope. If any of you don't think the organization, the safety crews, and the race teams do not review these types of things after EVERY race, you are wrong.

An error was made, In My Opinion, but I've gone to numerous races, used to race when I was young, and raced recently. The fans are not to blame.

There was a patrol ski there almost the entire time, a picture is attached.

Be thankful the sport enjoys good drivers, good equipment, and well coordinated oversight. All of that worked and Nothing happened.

That reviews are being conducted for other future events is what is supposed to happen. And the only place I would have closed the water was on the outside of that one corner for ? amount of distance. But that's my opinion, not the experts who review these things with the teams and organizations.

The location was impressive, the amount of shore and boat spectators was impressive, and I hope it comes back with better racer participation. If there are any other questions I can answer, let me know. I'll try.