Lake St Clair Boating Accident

[ChiefApache]

With respect to the Beach Grill their wall is not that wide. However the BG is located in a large marina called Jefferson Beach, they have transient wells and due to the economy empty slips. If the boaters wanted to I am sure they could have spent the night at the marina. Also just outside the marina, before you have to go on plane, is another bar called Jacks, there is a a huge seawall and also a Marina that you can stay at overnight. Because there are so many options at idle speed, the Beach Grill would not feel compelled to have people spending the night at what little space they have. Something tells me these guys had no intention on spending the night on their boat, the boats were small and each had several passengers. They were young kids in their 20's, most kids that age feel invincible, yet don't have enough life experiences to make them think in advance about the consequences for reckless behavior.

7 peoploe, two boats. They had no intentions of spending the night anywhere. This is not the bars fault.

 

[Ms PatriYacht]

:rofl::rofl:Believe or not it was not Fund, a friend from home and his friend

 

[ChiefApache]

:rofl::rofl:Believe or not it was not Fund, a friend from home and his friend

He was just an easy target sweetie! I figured it wasn't him. But I knew he was on your boat a few weeks ago and he's on ours this weekend. I have to bust on him every now and then. :biggrinjester::reddevil:

 

[Ms PatriYacht]

He was just an easy target sweetie! I figured it wasn't him. But I knew he was on your boat a few weeks ago and he's on ours this weekend. I have to bust on him every now and then. :biggrinjester::reddevil:

boy that fund gets around, at this rate he will rack up more hours on the water than me:biggrinjester: he might even decide he likes boat ho'ing and wait till next year to finish the Apache:ack2:

 

[ChiefApache]

boy that fund gets around, at this rate he will rack up more hours on the water than me:biggrinjester: he might even decide he likes boat ho'ing and wait till next year to finish the Apache:ack2:

Let's hope that's not the case, but hey, might as well have fun, right?

 

[Ms PatriYacht]

Exactly what I said in an earlier post Donna. 7 people, two boats. They had no intentions of spending the night anywhere. This is not the bars fault.

Barb you're busted:biggrinjester:, posting on multiple boards must be hard to keep track of:willy_nilly: I often skim over threads so I will repeat what others have already posted, so I looked back over the thread to see what you said but can't find it. Did you by chance make that comment on another board????? I hope you know I am kidding with you, but you made me look, of course I might have completely missed it, just today I told a customer he did not send me specs on a filter, and there they were on the email I was responding to

 

[ChiefApache]

Barb you're busted:biggrinjester:, posting on multiple boards must be hard to keep track of:willy_nilly: I often skim over threads so I will repeat what others have already posted, so I looked back over the thread to see what you said but can't find it. Did you by chance make that comment on another board????? I hope you know I am kidding with you, but you made me look, of course I might have completely missed it, just today I told a customer he did not send me specs on a filter, and there they were on the email I was responding to

I am busted Donna! I posted it on islandpirates so I apologize. Let me say I totally agree 100%.

I edited.

 

[Ms PatriYacht]

to funny, I hope you don't think I was being sarcastic, it's just you had me wondering and looking to see what I missed, see great minds think alike:cheers2:

 

[ChiefApache]

to funny, I hope you don't think I was being sarcastic, it's just you had me wondering and looking to see what I missed, see great minds think alike:cheers2:

No, not at all. I knew I said it somewhere and that's what I get for buzzing around here and there and everywhere. :reddevil:

 

[h2oMag]

The two boats involved in this accident were rafted right behind me at the Beach Grill less than an hour before the accident happened. Very tragic. My condolences to the families. RIP.

One of the boats was being towed in Sunday morning as I idled out of the channel in front of the restaurant and through the search area. Very eerie feeling.

Very sad,, We had our Old School Offshore Reunion at Jacks last Sat, THANKFULLY with out any incidents. Was the 24' Cheetah yellow & white ? If so it might have been my boat many years ago..

 

[FULL FORCE]

7 peoploe, two boats. They had no intentions of spending the night anywhere. This is not the bars fault.

Yea... unless it is my boat and it is seven people on one boat overnight!!

 

[ChiefApache]

Yea... unless it is my boat and it is seven people on one boat overnight!!

You're an exception. That would never happen on our boat. :sifone:

 

[FULL FORCE]

You're an exception. That would never happen on our boat. :sifone:

But it's so much fun and we are goofballs! I am just glad everyone respects the boat rules... ok, Highjack over!:sifone:

 

[TCEd]

I'll probably take some heat over this but there always seemed to be far to much drinking on Lake St. Clair. The fabled gauntlet in Muskamoot is fillled with drunks every weekend and I always wondered how they got home or who took care of them.
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[MattBMiller]

Very sad,, We had our Old School Offshore Reunion at Jacks last Sat, THANKFULLY with out any incidents. Was the 24' Cheetah yellow & white ? If so it might have been my boat many years ago..

Yep, that's the one. I was with the Motorcity Fun run crew that pulled into Jacks while you had the reunion going on.

 

[phragle]

We had two guys on our boat recently. They got to the marina at 10:00, started drinking at 11:00 AM By the time they left at 9:00 PM they must have had over 24 bottles of beer each. They consumed some they brought, bought beers at 4 different establishments and drank some of our's. If I had not seen how much each had drank I would have sworn that they had nothing or almost nothing. I am sure if they walked into a 5th bar and asked for another drink no one would have refused them. I feel for the bars because there are times when I am sure they have no clue how much their customers have had to drink. I have no idea of the case in point here, but if you are not showing outright drunk systems, how can a bartender be expected to know who is over the limit and who is not. I am sure most of you know people that appear to have a wooden leg when it comes to alcohol.

Ok, first off, I was on your boat too.. I had to work so I wasn't drinking, so that leaves Fundy drinking 48 beers... now that may seem excessive, and it would probably be to most, but you have to comprhend the "Fundy Factor".. you have to actually meet him in person to do this. The man makes the jolly green giant look like a leprachan, you stand him next to your tow rig and your F650 looks lkike a chevy luv. 48 beers to someone that size is nothing, 48 kegs, and I would worry about him falling over and squashing people.

But I do have to ask... you guys had maybe one drink apiece at Clammies before I left for work... just what the hell happened??? :26::26::26::26:

 

[MarylandMark]

I am sure most of you know people that appear to have a wooden leg when it comes to alcohol.

I was just happy to see you... :rofl:

and I drank I mean plead the 5th when it comes to drinkin

 

[phragle]

Soory if my opinions are disagreeable, but bars are in the buisness of selling alcohol, they are not in the breathalyzer buisness nor are they in the drunk daycare buisness.

The patron CHOOSES of his own free will how much he consumes and what he does afterwards.

would it be nice if a bartender said "hey buddy, your lit up like a christmas tree let me call you a cab", sure. but it is Not his responsibilty to make the patrons decisions.

Its like blaming McDonalds because your a 600 pound diabetic lazy bastard. The freaking clown did not hold a gun to your head and say "eat sucker"

 

[Ratickle]

Soory if my opinions are disagreeable, but bars are in the buisness of selling alcohol, they are not in the breathalyzer buisness nor are they in the drunk daycare buisness.

The patron CHOOSES of his own free will how much he consumes and what he does afterwards.

would it be nice if a bartender said "hey buddy, your lit up like a christmas tree let me call you a cab", sure. but it is Not his responsibilty to make the patrons decisions.

Its like blaming McDonalds because your a 600 pound diabetic lazy bastard. The freaking clown did not hold a gun to your head and say "eat sucker"

McDonalds should have to refuse to sell to an overly obese person by law. That is the number 2 most expensive health cost in the United States, higher than smoking related expenses....

Bars should have to refuse to sell to an overly drunk person, number one reason of driving fatalities.....


My reasoning, we, taxpayers, have to support both in one way or another. And, the drunk may kill someone.

But, the ones who you can't tell their level of intoxication, there is no way the bar is responsible.

 

[Ms PatriYacht]

Rob are you forgetting my German friend and his friend, they are experienced heavy drinkers and consumed a lot without ever appearing drunk. Ian did not drink until after lunch and then only a few until we got back to the marina.

I agree that bars should not serve people that they can see are drunk, but often they don't know how drunk a person is our how much then have had, that's why it's hard to place blame. What if "Alcoholic Al" has 15 drinks and then makes one last bar stop before heading home. At the last place he runs into a buddy that buys him one for the road, therefore Al never sees or talks with a bartender. On Al's way home he causes an accident, so other than Al whose fault is it??? If its the bar's fault then they should only serve one drink to each person at a time, and make sure that person is going to be the one that drinks it. And they also should give a Breathalyzer to everyone that arrives so they will know if they have been drinking somewhere else. In theory it is easy to say it's the bar's responsibility not to over-serve, but there are so many instances where this is not a practical statement.