Bad Idea Baja
Charter Member
Lets say you return home early from vacation. Cancel plans & such. You charge the time & mileage from where you are to where work is.
Reimbursable or not?
Reimbursable or not?
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Bad Idea Baja
Charter Member
It ended vacation a day early & the same miles were driven. No canceled flights or anything like that. Did cancel some plans & was inconvenienced in a big way.
Buoy
Founding Member
If you incurred any monetary expenses that you wouldn't have incurred had your plans remained as scheduled, I think you have a valid point to discuss.
As far as inconvenience...
Be glad you have a job, I've been searching for awhile now, and it's hard to even get in the door for an interview.
Choose your battles.
As far as inconvenience...
Be glad you have a job, I've been searching for awhile now, and it's hard to even get in the door for an interview.
Choose your battles.
JupiterSunsation
New member
Interesting perspective......I didn't think of it from an employee's point of view. I was thinking of it from an owner's point of view.
As employee in a recession, thank the boss for calling you in early in hopes you are remembered for it on the lay off day.......and the other guy gets it.
pullmytrigger
Charter Member
is the guy hourly or salry?......what does he net per week?......does he usaually get paid for mileage?......it depends on alot of factors
when I was an employee that type of thing used to happen......I would just get paid OT......I made like $30/hr in those days.....I would have been much happier if the boss had of personally delivered me another $100 in cash thanking me in person for the inconvience (prob $150-$200 today haha ) plus the OT, govt takes most of your OT and you end up with jack in the end......but FAR MORE IMPORTANTLY thats the way you get a crew of good people who will pick up their cell on their day off and be there for you instead of letting you leave a message and playing the game.....and IMO today its all about good people
my boss thought putting my name on the company chalk board and a company tee shirt (I already had like 5 of them
) would be all a man could possibly want.......he was so out to lunch......now after I took two of his best accounts, him and I are competitors.....
when I was an employee that type of thing used to happen......I would just get paid OT......I made like $30/hr in those days.....I would have been much happier if the boss had of personally delivered me another $100 in cash thanking me in person for the inconvience (prob $150-$200 today haha ) plus the OT, govt takes most of your OT and you end up with jack in the end......but FAR MORE IMPORTANTLY thats the way you get a crew of good people who will pick up their cell on their day off and be there for you instead of letting you leave a message and playing the game.....and IMO today its all about good people
my boss thought putting my name on the company chalk board and a company tee shirt (I already had like 5 of them
) would be all a man could possibly want.......he was so out to lunch......now after I took two of his best accounts, him and I are competitors.....
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MarylandMark
Charter Member
If I am off; I am off.
If I have to do any thing work related I should be paid for it- I'm working right?
If I have to do any thing work related I should be paid for it- I'm working right?
boatme
Charter Member
NOPE!! It is called going the extra mile, and especially in this economy it may be the difference in retaining a job, not just doing one
fund razor
Founding Member
This is interesting.... I am out of town getting another class in toward my professional certification. My employer paid for the class and the hotel. And will pay mileage.
(The cost of the class is easily offset by the information that I get, and is recouped in what I raise per year... one or two best practices learned and we are back in the black.)
I decided not to expense any meals this time. I want to come back again later in the year for one last class. Then I can get my CFRE, which will add four letters behind my name and increase my earning potential by about 30% over the next 20 years. I decided that the least I could do was go back and tell them "no meal receipts.... I got it."
And they already reduced my salary by 8 days pay per year. (Company wide.)
(The cost of the class is easily offset by the information that I get, and is recouped in what I raise per year... one or two best practices learned and we are back in the black.)
I decided not to expense any meals this time. I want to come back again later in the year for one last class. Then I can get my CFRE, which will add four letters behind my name and increase my earning potential by about 30% over the next 20 years. I decided that the least I could do was go back and tell them "no meal receipts.... I got it."
And they already reduced my salary by 8 days pay per year. (Company wide.)
boatme
Charter Member
There's some union thinking for ya...
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Interesting I was thinking the same thing
MarylandMark
Charter Member
My time is too valuable to give it away for free; sorry you guys don't think as highly of your time. The work I do when I am on the clock is going to help me retain my job.
You have to ask yourself (out of your co-workers) who could your boss live without being there every day. Try to keep yourself on the bottom of that list and you won't have to worry about retaining your job in any economy.
If I am going to work for free I'd want it to be testing a boat, trying out beer or a food taster- watching TV and surfing the net I want to be paid for.
pullmytrigger
Charter Member
So BI Baja, what did you do......????
tomcei
New member
Going the extra mile and staying committed to the objectives of the company go a very long way!
Keeping people on staff that "don't",... doesn't make sense. ,especially when tough decisions need to be made.
I see it like this. Your either part of the solution or part of the problem.
Keeping people on staff that "don't",... doesn't make sense. ,especially when tough decisions need to be made.
I see it like this. Your either part of the solution or part of the problem.
MarylandMark
Charter Member
5/17/1972
Born & raised in Texas until the savings and loan scandal and the local oil market collapsed which is when we relocated to Maryland.
I graduated high school in the early 1990's when we were in a recession.
I've seen with my own eyes having any job- even more so with a good job- is some thing not to be taken for granted and not a right but a privilege. It comes down to I feel I have to have and keep my skill level high enough to be in demand at all times- that my boss not only wants to keep me but keep me happy because his competitor is waiting in the parking lot hoping and praying I come out the door one day unhappy so he can steal me away.
So working for free- not a chance but I put myself in such a position that I don't have to either.
Born & raised in Texas until the savings and loan scandal and the local oil market collapsed which is when we relocated to Maryland.
I graduated high school in the early 1990's when we were in a recession.
I've seen with my own eyes having any job- even more so with a good job- is some thing not to be taken for granted and not a right but a privilege. It comes down to I feel I have to have and keep my skill level high enough to be in demand at all times- that my boss not only wants to keep me but keep me happy because his competitor is waiting in the parking lot hoping and praying I come out the door one day unhappy so he can steal me away.
So working for free- not a chance but I put myself in such a position that I don't have to either.
Geronimo36
Charter Member
Marc, I agree with you and Chris on this.... I also agree with Fund on the expensing his meals and such, especially in these times...
Two stories;
A few months ago I was in San Jose on business and the guys I was with were expensing everything, it was like they were on vacation..... Martini's at the hotel bar, steak dinners etc. etc... They felt it was owed to them since they were on travel...and I think that's BS!!! When I expense my meals etc. when I travel, I expense what I think is fair...not $100 steak dinners...maybe a $40 dinner...and if the hotel provides continental breakfast for free then use it, don't splurge on a huge breakfast just because you're on travel.
Second Story;
Was speaking with someone earlier in the week... They got a notice which had to be signed, stating employees weren't allowed to work from home any more, couldn't take vacation (unless it was scheduled before the date of the letter) and had to be available for support 24/7 for the next 60 work days....
Person I talked to had a week long vacation planned ahead of time before they signed the letter but they weren't going anywhere, they were basically staying home for the week and relaxing on the couch or at the beach...
I suggested that when they saw the letter they should have cancelled vacation because that's a sign of things to come and nows not the time to be taking vacation time.....
Response was, "If I don't take the vacation time, I'll wind up loosing it, it's mine and I earned it". My response was, "Is loosing the vacation time more important than possibly loosing your job?" There was silence on the end of the line.....
Mark, please don't take offense dude but Verizon is huge and you're a pimple on their azz. If they want to make cuts they can/will cut people no matter what. Matter of fact, I just read they will be making a bunch of cuts to the wire-line side. I've seen it happen to people who otherwise felt they had a stable job were on the street.
These are tough times and I've batten down the hatches amost a year ago! In the last 6 months, instead of playing with the boat, I saved an additional 4 months of savings just in case chit happens.
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boatme
Charter Member
Mark,
You are close to the age I was suspecting
Seems like that your generation, and even more with the latest new working generation, have the attitude “I do it, I get paid for it”
I have been on straight commission most of my life and I was always paid ONLY for what I brought to the party and often I did allot for no payback
I paid for ALL my own dinners and trips to try to get business, all done on my dime. If it was not successful I was out the cash no one else. Also no vacation pay, no sick time and no health care. (paid for it myself)
I have a hard time when people expect to be paid every time they do something on the clock (or off) It is why it is so hard to run a business. If your employer took away every minute you were not productive in a year I am sure it would add up to be a lot more than the freebees you could do for him
Not bashing you just stating how I see it.
Now is the time to be obvious for what you do extra!! Not to be obvious for what you don’t do! Trust me, doing extra stuff for your employer will not hurt your status. But demanding that you are so good that you must be paid for every move you make for them will surly make it obvious you are the one to broom.
Wait till you get broomed and the guy you say is waiting in the wings snaps you up and finds your attitude is less than helpful, you may need a third person waiting to scoop you up cause the second guy will not take as long to figure out you are only in it for yourself
I have a question for you
Do you have the cohunes to tell your boss you want to be paid on commission for your work ??? This could work out better or worse for you, but would you take the risk? No guarantees just hard work and some luck
Now that would get a bosses attention
Good luck, and again not bashing just my opinions
You are close to the age I was suspecting
Seems like that your generation, and even more with the latest new working generation, have the attitude “I do it, I get paid for it”
I have been on straight commission most of my life and I was always paid ONLY for what I brought to the party and often I did allot for no payback
I paid for ALL my own dinners and trips to try to get business, all done on my dime. If it was not successful I was out the cash no one else. Also no vacation pay, no sick time and no health care. (paid for it myself)
I have a hard time when people expect to be paid every time they do something on the clock (or off) It is why it is so hard to run a business. If your employer took away every minute you were not productive in a year I am sure it would add up to be a lot more than the freebees you could do for him
Not bashing you just stating how I see it.
Now is the time to be obvious for what you do extra!! Not to be obvious for what you don’t do! Trust me, doing extra stuff for your employer will not hurt your status. But demanding that you are so good that you must be paid for every move you make for them will surly make it obvious you are the one to broom.
Wait till you get broomed and the guy you say is waiting in the wings snaps you up and finds your attitude is less than helpful, you may need a third person waiting to scoop you up cause the second guy will not take as long to figure out you are only in it for yourself
I have a question for you
Do you have the cohunes to tell your boss you want to be paid on commission for your work ??? This could work out better or worse for you, but would you take the risk? No guarantees just hard work and some luck
Now that would get a bosses attention
Good luck, and again not bashing just my opinions
