Business Mileage?

[Geronimo36]

If they need me to go above and beyond why shouldn't I want some thing extra for that?

It's all good Mark, I think we're just thinking in extremes in both directions.

I just like to think that one hand washes the other and it's not always about being paid for the amount of time you put in. If you're constantly going above and beyond I could see how one would want to be paid. Sometimes, even just a thank you is plenty.

 

[Buoy]

Lets take the word "paid" out of this, and change it to "compensated".
I've noticed in most cases if you consistently go above and beyond, you may not get "paid" as in money, but I've been compensated with some very nice trips to conventions, nice dinners, and have come up as the first choice, or recommendation for promotions, or special projects that got me more exposure within the company.

 

[boatme]

You have a great day as well.

I guess where I am lost at is why is it so bad to want to get paid for the work I do?

I guess where I am lost is why is is so bad to go the extra mile to help out

This "all about me" attitude will only help YOU and if that is what it is about ok then i get it you are self centered and self serving thatmakes sence to me.

Man I would never ask you to hand me a wrench, because there would be a bill attached to the handle for the effort

So if somone helps you up when you fall down should you pay them ???

Seems if it is any kind of effort you want to be paid! Man o man if this is not the UNION way of thinking i don't know what is

See where that attitude is getting the UAW today

I agree with CheifApache as well

 

[boatme]

"compensated". Interesting word and most time appropriat but some times you just do stuff for free because it is the right thing to do

 

[Buoy]

"compensated". Interesting word and most time appropriat but some times you just do stuff for free because it is the right thing to do

I'm 100% in agreement!
I don't do things in the expectation that I will receive any thing more.
But I have noticed that I also get preferential treatment when opportunities arise - but maybe that's just a coincidence

 

[MarylandMark]

At my place of employment, if you just do "your job", you will be doing it for years to come, so you better enjoy it. In order to advance, they want people who go above and beyond without being asked.....and without additional pay doing it.

Bring up a good point. I always tell people there are 2 critical things in life:

1- get a good mattress. No place to skimp here
2- like your career

In theory you spend 8 hours a day in bed and 8 hours a day at work- so 2/3 of your life you are in bed so you better have a good mattress and better like your job.

Lets take the word "paid" out of this, and change it to "compensated".

Ok that's fair- I want to be compensated for the work I do. :biggrinjester:

It is all a matter of perspective and where one is at one the food chain and corporate culture- the kind of company you work for. Me- I just a clock puncher. I get a 3.5% raise next week but that is it- no trips to work harder for, no promotions to get, etc. I don't get any thing "extra" for working any thing "extra" except know I did a job well done.

Spin this around- I am giving 115% all day every day so I don't have any thing extra to give except more time giving 115% and if I need to give them more time I will (at my hourly rate til 9 hours overtime worked and then 2X my hourly rate). So all you that can go that extra mile aren't working hard enough from the get-go... LOL- them just jokes of course!

 

[MarylandMark]

Man I would never ask you to hand me a wrench, because there would be a bill attached to the handle for the effort

If I were a mechanic, and you were in my shop, and I working on your car/boat/cycle- WITHOUT A DOUBT THERE WOULD BE A BILL ATTACHED TO IT!!!

 

[boatme]

So what did you get the 3.5% raise for ? just being there? and doing your job ????

If you have always gave 115% then you are doing what you normaly do and are already compensated (starting to like this word) to that leval, and why should you get a raise for the same work you have been doing? You have not increased your effort to118.5 % SO WHY SHOULD YOU GET MORE MONEY WHEN YOU ARE JUST DOING THE SAME OLE THING ??

I spent 20 years selling to the auto industry and was inside all the big manufacturing plants. I saw this attitued every day and still dont understand this.

I would like to know what ever happened to peice work ?? You get paid for what you accomplish in any one day I think that is a great way to pay a Clock Puncher

 

[MarylandMark]

Now if I were on MY TIME and NOT WORKING than there would be a beer attached to the end of it.

 

[boatme]

Mark a serious question for you Are you a union stewart at your company ???

 

[MarylandMark]

Mark a serious question for you Are you a union stewart at your company ???

HELL NO!!!! I am in a union company but am an agency fee payer- I resigned from the union many years ago but Maryland is not a right to work state.

If it weren't for the union I would be EARNING 1.5 times what they pay me now.

Why not go get another job? Not many phone companies out there or I would. Private industry is not in my best interest- most in my area are government contractors and not secure/stable where as my employer is close to a monopoly (again).

I spent 20 years selling to the auto industry and was inside all the big manufacturing plants.

Did you make the same amount of money for 20 years? I got a 3.5% raise because I am 40% underpaid to start with- they are just trying to catch me up.

 

[Buoy]

It is all a matter of perspective and where one is at one the food chain and corporate culture- the kind of company you work for. Me- I just a clock puncher. I get a 3.5% raise next week but that is it- no trips to work harder for, no promotions to get, etc. I don't get any thing "extra" for working any thing "extra" except know I did a job well done.

I started out as a clock puncher. Hell, I actually started out as a marginally better than min wage temp.
Got promoted to a bit more than a clock puncher, maybe another coincidence, but I think it may have to do with the fact that I wasn't looking for anything more for every little thing I did - except for opportunity.
Before you knew it, I was dealing with the Directors and VP's.

I guess if you're happy right where you are, and never expect to move up that's fine.
But I guarantee that the guys that are buying new MTI's didn't have that same attitude.

 

[MarylandMark]

I think you have the very false impression that because I'm a clock puncher I go sit in the break room all day?

Ok how about this one-

Pretend I am a car salesman. Dealership closes at 8PM. I had to stay at work til 10PM to make the sale. Is that going above and beyond or just doing my job?

I look at is as just doing my job, am not paid by the hour but paid to sell cars which I just did so in the end I was just doing my job- not going above and beyond. They hired me to sell cars and I sold one.

Now if I were paid $10/hour to sell cars I'd still be there until 10PM but I would want $20 extra in my paycheck for doing so. Still sold a car, still doing my job, still not going above and beyond- but I'd want $20 extra in my check since that is how I am compensated for the work I do.

 

[MarylandMark]

I guess if you're happy right where you are, and never expect to move up that's fine.

"Moving up" in my world would mean working 65 hours a week vs 40 hours a week for about $160 more a week.

Now as a clock puncher if I worked that extra 25 hours I'm looking at over $1600 extra that week. That extra 0 sure looks better as a clock puncher doesn't it?

 

[MarylandMark]

ps- this is all in good conversation as I'm sure you hopefully all know.

Obviously if we are on a boating site whatever we have been doing and are doing is working for our situation and I wish you all continued success.

Heck- I want all ya bastages to make MTI money but I'm going to need a ride since clock punching is not going to get me there.

 

[Buoy]

ps- this is all in good conversation as I'm sure you hopefully all know.

Absolutely. It's just discussion, and sharing viewpoints. Nothing hostile.

 

[MarylandMark]

You know I am cool when I can quote myself.. :ack2::ack2:

Pretend I am a car salesman. Dealership closes at 8PM. I had to stay at work til 10PM to make the sale. Is that going above and beyond or just doing my job?

To clarify my viewpoint- I am not saying that one should only stay til 8PM because that is "what their job is". That is not what their job is. Their job is to sell cars and has nothing to do with the hours of the dealership. If they don't stay until 10PM they didn't sell that car which means they are not doing their job. Fire that lazy no car selling SOB!

So I guess it really is a matter of perspective of what going above and beyond is vs just doing your job? For me- selling that car was just doing my job; not doing my job above and beyond because it was after the dealership was normally open.

 

[boatme]

Did you make the same amount of money for 20 years? I got a 3.5% raise because I am 40% underpaid to start with- they are just trying to catch me up.

Nope some months i made better some much worse remeber i was on commision only paid if i sold

 

[boatme]

I think you have the very false impression that because I'm a clock puncher I go sit in the break room all day?

Ok how about this one-

Pretend I am a car salesman. Dealership closes at 8PM. I had to stay at work til 10PM to make the sale. Is that going above and beyond or just doing my job?

I look at is as just doing my job, am not paid by the hour but paid to sell cars which I just did so in the end I was just doing my job- not going above and beyond. They hired me to sell cars and I sold one.

Now if I were paid $10/hour to sell cars I'd still be there until 10PM but I would want $20 extra in my paycheck for doing so. Still sold a car, still doing my job, still not going above and beyond- but I'd want $20 extra in my check since that is how I am compensated for the work I do.

Many Many years ago i WAS a carsales man and i stayed late many many times to make a deal work only to have it fall apart in financing the next day and i got NUTHING because the car deal fell through