It may be generational to some degree, but it's not universal. I'm 31, and I certainly don't share that lackadaisical attitude towards employment, there are still good young people out there with good work ethic and business sense. I work 10-12 hour days, sometimes 70-80 hours a week, and weekends when necessary. I've got 200+ miles this week on my personal truck retrieving parts from vendors so that we can get a jump on production, and I'm not submitting an expense form. I ask for nothing extra. As I see people getting laid off all around me, I can assure you it's not the guys who put in that little extra, it's the 8-5'ers who submit that 12 dollar expense form for their lunch.
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boatme
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Cig
I did not mean to lump everyone into one basket
Just taht the younger generation (NOt all) seem to have a much more "whats in it for me" attitude
Good to hear there are still some good ethics out there
My son is 26 and seems to have a good handle on things as well, putting in as many hours as he can and going the extra step to make emplyoyer feel he is valuble
I did not mean to lump everyone into one basket
Just taht the younger generation (NOt all) seem to have a much more "whats in it for me" attitude
Good to hear there are still some good ethics out there
My son is 26 and seems to have a good handle on things as well, putting in as many hours as he can and going the extra step to make emplyoyer feel he is valuble
Geronimo36
Charter Member
The attitude must have been passed down from the Hippies!:lurk5:
PS, I'm 32. Gonna have to agree with Cig, not all but some.. I think that goes for just about every generation...each one before feeling they were better.. AS I get older I start saying silly things like that also.
PS, I'm 32. Gonna have to agree with Cig, not all but some.. I think that goes for just about every generation...each one before feeling they were better.. AS I get older I start saying silly things like that also.
DonziGirl
Founding Member
I agree that some people but not all have that attitude. I'm 28 and try to do anything reasonable asked of me. My boss treats me and the other employees great. But one other thing I've noticed is that employERS don't have the loyalty and dedication to employees that also used to be present. Perhaps that's why employEES have become less dedicated as well?
Geronimo36
Charter Member
That's true and very apparent in "corporate america", I see it every day.. For a growing majority it's all about numbers and the bottom line, not a family atmosphere. I don't see it as much in small companies but definitey in corporate.
The generations before us grew up with pensions and matching 401k's, it becomes less and less every day. Dual incomes are almost a necessity.
boatme
Charter Member
Very true
My dad was a corporate guy for 48 years family and loyalty was apparent
now days anyone who thinks they are a lifer at there job better keep looking behind them
Things change and not all for the good. Time to get back to the one thing many have lost MORALS and VALUES It has become a ME ME ME world
Man i am starting to sound like my grandparents LOL
fund razor
Founding Member
Donzi, (and Tony too), Geronimo, and CigDaze are all examples of the younger generation who somehow did inheret the work ethic, leadership, maturity, overview and wisdom that is usually associated with much older people. I forget sometimes that they are more than a decade younger than me.
They should give us some hope.
They should give us some hope.
Buoy
Founding Member
Before me and the wife decided to make the move out here to AZ, I had a good stable job that I had been at for 6 years.
My first supervisor thought I was the greatest guy in the building. He got promoted, and moved on to a different location. I still talk to him every few weeks.
I now was reporting to his old boss. This guy also thought that I did an incredible job, and knew he could always count on me for anything that needed to be done. He was also promoted, and moved on to a new location.
They placed a new guy as my new direct report. Earlier on, me and this guy were both up for the same position (different than his new job), and he got the job. Well, now he didn't care for me, and saw me as competition.
The writing on the wall was clearly written that I was not going to have a job for long, or at least be made miserable in my job.
This was one of the reasons we decided it best to make the move and my wife take the promotion she was offered.
I had the choice to be unemployed in Kentucky, or unemployed in AZ.
I guess the point I'm making is, just because YOUR boss thinks you're great, what happens when someone else becomes your boss?
My first supervisor thought I was the greatest guy in the building. He got promoted, and moved on to a different location. I still talk to him every few weeks.
I now was reporting to his old boss. This guy also thought that I did an incredible job, and knew he could always count on me for anything that needed to be done. He was also promoted, and moved on to a new location.
They placed a new guy as my new direct report. Earlier on, me and this guy were both up for the same position (different than his new job), and he got the job. Well, now he didn't care for me, and saw me as competition.
The writing on the wall was clearly written that I was not going to have a job for long, or at least be made miserable in my job.
This was one of the reasons we decided it best to make the move and my wife take the promotion she was offered.
I had the choice to be unemployed in Kentucky, or unemployed in AZ.
I guess the point I'm making is, just because YOUR boss thinks you're great, what happens when someone else becomes your boss?
ChiefApache
Contributor
Do you know Tony? :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
Just kidding. I agree. I am surprised at some of the ages of people on the board. They speak/present themselves as older, and I'm finding out they're younger. Like you Fund, I too am a decade (and a little more) older than they!
pullmytrigger
Charter Member
thats all and good but what was your income potential in that job?......its one thing to do as you did when your income pot is six figures but another thing entirely when your some travelling sales type making 50K.......like I posted earlier you cant generalize it depends on A LOT of factors.....
pullmytrigger
Charter Member
I would still like to hear from the OP stating what was the guy who got taken away from his holiday was making a year......was he some labourer for a Landscaper making minimum wage or was he a corperate team leader making 150k?......he never said......it makes ALL the difference
MarylandMark
Charter Member
I have plenty of work ethic but that doesn't mean I have to work for free. I guess since I go that extra mile the 8 I am already there I don't have to give them the 9th hour on the house.
I'd love to do piece work or commission vs paid by the hour! I'm not sure how to do it because it is hard to pay for some thing perceived- like when you pick up your phone you have dial tone or you click on a webpage it comes up. You expect these things so really can't put a figure on it being up vs being out. I save my company billions upon billions in FCC fines yearly- I'll take .00001% commission on what I save them not having to pay those fines any day of the week. I'm one of three techs that have access to Andrews Air Force Base- I bet that contract alone is worth a few hundred million a year. I'd love to make a deal that my salary was $500K and they can deduct $10K per minute when they have an outage even after the $500K was gone (meaning I would owe them $10K per minute meaning if I had to work 24/7/365 to keep their network up then so be it). I'd retire in 5 years... My company has me at a bargain price IMHO- I'm worth 2X+ what they give me but it works well enough on both sides that I am still there..
Panther- Yes, Verizon is cutting 10-15% of the work force. Any one hired prior to 8/3/03 employees have employment protection- can't be laid off. Any one hired after that will be off payroll by 9/13/09.
We use to have "36 month term" employees- company would hire people for 36 months and then release them. Guess what- all projects would last 36 months because the company had to pay these people for 36 months regardless if the job they were hired to do was done in 24 months or now. Well the company and the union struck a deal that any one hired after 8/3/03 could be laid off at any time and they would get rid of the 36 month term title. They meant the company could hire more people which means more union dues coming in which is all the union cares about as well as get more work done sooner since they had more people to do the job and still be able to get rid of them when the job they were hired to do was over.
So the 15% hitting the road now were never really permanent to begin with. Most have made it 5-6 years vs the 36 months they would have. Doesn't make it any easier but the realistic ones knew when they were hired they would be around until FiOS was on it's feet (to some extent) and would be gone after that which is what is happening now.
Anyway- I'm a pee-on to my company- just a number like every one else working there. I just feel that if my number came up they would find a spot for me or their competitor would (in a heartbeat). If your not the best at what you do then you (not "you" but any one and in general) need to get to working to get there; I'm already there (and working harder to stay there every day) and that is why I'm so confident in my job keeping abilities which comes at a price and isn't free. I was in school on the clock on their dime 2 days this past week at University of Maryland learning some more stuff to stay at the top of my game. Think of it like Peter from Skater- if he closed his doors this week do you think there would be a line of people waiting to hire him or would he have to go around putting in applications? Ok that is a stretch but still- same point.
My turn for a question- why do any of you feel your skills are worth so little that you are willing to give them away for free?
I'd love to do piece work or commission vs paid by the hour! I'm not sure how to do it because it is hard to pay for some thing perceived- like when you pick up your phone you have dial tone or you click on a webpage it comes up. You expect these things so really can't put a figure on it being up vs being out. I save my company billions upon billions in FCC fines yearly- I'll take .00001% commission on what I save them not having to pay those fines any day of the week. I'm one of three techs that have access to Andrews Air Force Base- I bet that contract alone is worth a few hundred million a year. I'd love to make a deal that my salary was $500K and they can deduct $10K per minute when they have an outage even after the $500K was gone (meaning I would owe them $10K per minute meaning if I had to work 24/7/365 to keep their network up then so be it). I'd retire in 5 years... My company has me at a bargain price IMHO- I'm worth 2X+ what they give me but it works well enough on both sides that I am still there..
Panther- Yes, Verizon is cutting 10-15% of the work force. Any one hired prior to 8/3/03 employees have employment protection- can't be laid off. Any one hired after that will be off payroll by 9/13/09.
We use to have "36 month term" employees- company would hire people for 36 months and then release them. Guess what- all projects would last 36 months because the company had to pay these people for 36 months regardless if the job they were hired to do was done in 24 months or now. Well the company and the union struck a deal that any one hired after 8/3/03 could be laid off at any time and they would get rid of the 36 month term title. They meant the company could hire more people which means more union dues coming in which is all the union cares about as well as get more work done sooner since they had more people to do the job and still be able to get rid of them when the job they were hired to do was over.
So the 15% hitting the road now were never really permanent to begin with. Most have made it 5-6 years vs the 36 months they would have. Doesn't make it any easier but the realistic ones knew when they were hired they would be around until FiOS was on it's feet (to some extent) and would be gone after that which is what is happening now.
Anyway- I'm a pee-on to my company- just a number like every one else working there. I just feel that if my number came up they would find a spot for me or their competitor would (in a heartbeat). If your not the best at what you do then you (not "you" but any one and in general) need to get to working to get there; I'm already there (and working harder to stay there every day) and that is why I'm so confident in my job keeping abilities which comes at a price and isn't free. I was in school on the clock on their dime 2 days this past week at University of Maryland learning some more stuff to stay at the top of my game. Think of it like Peter from Skater- if he closed his doors this week do you think there would be a line of people waiting to hire him or would he have to go around putting in applications? Ok that is a stretch but still- same point.
My turn for a question- why do any of you feel your skills are worth so little that you are willing to give them away for free?
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MarylandMark
Charter Member
Who wants a $50/hour raise???
My boat detailer guy is in Florida. Could one of you come wash/wax it for $200? Since you are willing to work for free you should think of this as a $50/hour raise..
My boat detailer guy is in Florida. Could one of you come wash/wax it for $200? Since you are willing to work for free you should think of this as a $50/hour raise..
fund razor
Founding Member
Mark, no offense my man... but anybody who has ever been self-employed, a department head, or management would never ask that question. They know too much.
Nobody here thinks that their skills "are worth so little."
Just because you don't understand why someone would go the extra mile, doesn't mean that they don't understand their value. (And the value of their actions over time.)
Especially on this board.
fund razor
Founding Member
MarylandMark
Charter Member
Are you trying to alienate all of us, or just some?
Sorry to offend but can you tell me why you would be offended? I don't understand why that would offend anyone?
Work= some thing I get paid to do
Play= some thing I have to work to be able to do
If I have to work on my play time why not just play all the time and not work? :driving:
fund razor
Founding Member
I can't break down in a few posts what the union has built over many years. Have a good day Mark. :seeya:
MarylandMark
Charter Member
Mark, no offense my man... but anybody who has ever been self-employed, a department head, or management would never ask that question. They know too much.
Really? Totally different worlds and responcibility levels between those jobs and an hourly employee in my opinion. Apples to oranges.
I go to work and do what they pay me to do- my job. If they need me to go above and beyond why shouldn't I want some thing extra for that?
MarylandMark
Charter Member
You have a great day as well.
I don't think this has any thing to do with unions. Back when I worked at Dominos Pizza if they wanted me to run another pie I would; but I wanted to stay on the clock while doing it, hopefully get a tip from the customer and then go on about my day or whatever.
I guess where I am lost at is why is it so bad to want to get paid for the work I do?
ChiefApache
Contributor
At my place of employment, if you just do "your job", you will be doing it for years to come, so you better enjoy it. In order to advance, they want people who go above and beyond without being asked.....and without additional pay doing it.
