Nice

[Thunderman]

Spirit of Apache must be a great ride, but for some reason ,(maybe not trimmed right?) Ive never liked the boats attitude in that video. Why do you think its not flying straight there?

[Geronimo36]

Spirit of Apache must be a great ride, but for some reason ,(maybe not trimmed right?) Ive never liked the boats attitude in that video. Why do you think its not flying straight there?

could be trim, set-up, unbalanced or stern heavy.

[Geronimo36]

lol, both the boats portrayed were original Apache designs, not McManus super boats. Tatonka is original, and spirit is an original hull with a redone deck.

I had that completely backwards. I thought new hull and original deck.

actually they are both original, just some slight mods to the deck to "make" it a "new" design

The boat was a 1991. In one of the documentary video's the owner (DeLatorre) told the story and said they put the hull back in the mold so I assume it wasn't re-hulled maybe just bulkheads etc.

[Geronimo36]

Old Apache brochure for the aficionado's....

[Geronimo36]

APACHE POWERBOATS, INC.
Filing Information
Document Number F32467
FEI/EIN Number 592171850
Date Filed 04/28/1981
State FL
Status ACTIVE
Last Event NAME CHANGE AMENDMENT
Event Date Filed 01/11/2001
Event Effective Date NONE

[Geronimo36]

More info for ya'll.

[TCEd]

Did Kramer, Aranow or McManus build the Enterprise for starfleet command ?
Captain Kirk told me it was Kramer but Spock got all uppity and said it was McManus.
ed

[Geronimo36]

Did Kramer, Aranow or McManus build the Enterprise for starfleet command ?
Captain Kirk told me it was Kramer but Spock got all uppity and said it was McManus.
ed

[Sean Stinson]

:bigear::bigear::bigear:

I am all ears..... The last one wouldn't open Frank but I suspect that I have seen it in the past!!!!

[Geronimo36]

the last one was the weird/mysterious purchase for $50 while no one was looking...

[Sean Stinson]

That's what I was thinking!!!!

[Sean Stinson]

I found this just a few minutes ago and thought that I should through this into the mix!!!!!

#128 Flag for Moderator 02-06-2004, 09:33 AM
Julie Posts: n/a

I own the name and all rights to "Apache" including any boats, molds, plugs or designs. If you try to infringe on my rigts I will sue you and your whole family.

Julie Sullivan

[phragle]

Does whole family include the dog????

[Chris]

Anyone stupid enough to actually say something like that deserves a brisk smack in the mouth.

[Geronimo36]

Nice!!!

[Geronimo36]

McManus worked for Aronow who stretched the Squadron to 41 and sold it to Kramer along with McManus......read the other threads it is all in the history in one of many different threads......

Sean, while I agree the history is on the internet etc but what struck me as odd is McManus going on the record saying he designed/tooled the Apache 41' while Bob/Ben sucessfully raced and won championships. That's manipulating the truth, he's taking credit for things he did not personally do... He did not own Apache nor did he own USA, he was an employee of Don's and employees do what they're told to do on a daily basis and have no claim to fame when it comes to any design regardless of the work they did or did not do.

What McManus portrayed in the video clip is manipulating the truth... Don may have instructed Mark to build molds for the 41' but he didn't design anything, Don did. Don just couldn't build it because of his non-compete with Cig... At least "one" person is honest with themself where the boat/mold came from.....

Mark didn't come along with the molds to Apache, Ben later made him a sweetheart deal to come on board because Bob and Ben were out racing togehter and Bob started persuing other business interests on his own.