The Great Unification

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

I am not suggesting a new org. In addition to some class consistency have points awarded with the same consistency. A National title for example should reflect national points.

[Ted]

If you do this you need to run Open Cat and Open Vee together

Sounds like some great TV for a Sunday afternoon huh? Of course they might have to run say 100 miles or more to fill the time slot in, that might be some real racing wouldn't it?

I am not suggesting a new org. In addition to some class consistency have points awarded with the same consistency. A National title for example should reflect national points.

Nor am I Jim, it can be done with what is in place. And I totally agree on points determining a title.

[Wazzup Racing]

San Juan??

Bruce I still wake up in a cold sweat dreaming about San Juan. That was the most intense race I have ever been a part of. You guys had it worse than we did. Saturday was off the hook.

[skaterdave]

I understand what you are saying. But, you will never get one org, let alone 3 or 4, to agree on one Vee Class and one Cat Class. It will not ever happen. Unless, as Rich says, there is only one of each left.

The reason, you just made 80% of all offshore boats currently racing obsolete.

80%- uhhh.

first off, i said one org needs to step up. opa would be the prime canidate because they have a strong base of P class boats that can back up the boat count and make a show of just that. of those 80% they could easily fit into p classes or one of the newly formed classes. and i know this might **** of the SVL guys but your not going to be the premier class. svl needs to go into the p class for the good of racing and have just 2 classes one v and one cat.

sad part, i really never see offshore getting better anytime soon since everyone wants there own checkered flag and lets be real T2x is dead on about the qualitiy of racing.

just look at this thread, how many pages and its gotten nowhere.

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

National Classes 80/100 miles

Extreme everyone that does not fit below.

Open; Cat light 525 like any drive power to weight.
V unlimited, Ilmor, 850, Supercat motor, any drive. Power to weight

V pro stock: 525 like Bravo base drive only

V single 525 , Vortec Sealed Bravo Based

Cat Outboard

Divisional Classes 70/50 miles

Cat 850/750
Cat light
SuperV ?
OPA type
P1
p2
p3
p4
p5


IMO

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

The Show can be defined a number a ways: The boat count on any given day, the class with the most entries, biggest fastest, the newest, or the boats that travel the country and do the most events.

Here is a copy of the rule summary from '85. Just for grins.

[DAREDEVIL]

WHAT DOES UNIFICATION HAVE TO DO WITH RULES ????????

Why can't we just ALL show up at a race site and have fun,,,why do we have to cut down classes ??? if we would all bring the boats to 1 race we would actually have so many boats there we could fill all of the existing classes.
Thats why i think if WE the racers keep on bashing each other and try to tell everybody that 1 of us is better,richer then the rest,,we will never get a unification in racing.
Lets all go to as race and have fun,,,,,that is what its all about,,then the rest will fall in place !!!!

Just my 2 cents.

30% of the racers with boats try to post here about unification and then never show up with there boat ,,using all kind of excuses.

Take the dust of and just go racing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dunbar 104]

I just class boats by what the cost to build, and operate.

I don't see how a twin cat, and a twin vee class is the answer. Cost almost the same to build, and the same to operate. Why dulute the field with 2 types of boats that really cost the same. The Cat goes faster with the same power. Why would anyone want a VEE?

SVL as a permire class yeah it can be. It just takes more boats.

A race boat is just a TOOL to get around the race couse. The loyalty to a boat type is what is also hurting the sport.

I'm I biases to SVL yes because they make sense. Its good racing, and affordable.

Cat Outboard makes sense.

Cat Lite makes sense fast enough, and they do not break.

Buy the best tool to get the job done.

[Pete B]

Nice reply Mark,
In 2006 there were 10 SCL, after each race there was arguements over who cut who off,
who's fault the glass damage was etc.

From a die hard fan, IMO SCL and SVL have been the best racing! I also really like Cat OB, and watched the X-cat video recapping 2009, it is awesome watching that many boats race in a single class.

Politics is preventing unity, and ego's are preventing racing!

[Dunbar 104]

Racers buy the best TOOL.

Amateurs race what they own.

[DAREDEVIL]

Racers buy the best TOOL.

Amateurs race what they own.

AND HERE WE GO AGAIN !!!! BLA BLA BLA

[SVL66]

2006 had a full boat count in every class. 40 boats strong at the races.

SV died first with the intro of the new fountain and 6s.
Followed by COB and SCL then the fragmentation of the SC.

Vee Lite, COB, and SCL still have a chance to survive

[Sean Stinson]

I just class boats by what the cost to build, and operate.

I don't see how a twin cat, and a twin vee class is the answer. Cost almost the same to build, and the same to operate. Why dulute the field with 2 types of boats that really cost the same. The Cat goes faster with the same power. Why would anyone want a VEE?

SVL as a permire class yeah it can be. It just takes more boats.

A race boat is just a TOOL to get around the race couse. The loyalty to a boat type is what is also hurting the sport.

I'm I biases to SVL yes because they make sense. Its good racing, and affordable.

Cat Outboard makes sense.

Cat Lite makes sense fast enough, and they do not break.

Buy the best tool to get the job done.

Well let me answer your post..... I am in agreement with the following;

SVL
SCL
X-Cat or Cat outboard

questionable is Super V and Super cat with the big power or whatever ok

You have the extreme guys out there with the turbines they aren't leaving love them or hate them they are here to stay....So let them have the extreme class for turbines!!!!

So why cant the cats and vees run together and a set of rules to maintain the parity between them and run them as an open class!!!!

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

So why cant the cats and vees run together and a set of rules to maintain the parity between them and run them as an open class!!!!

All the V's would race well against Cat lights. Thing is they wont want a 525 Cat boat to kick their butts. Put them with 750/850 cat and they will all cry foul.

[Wazzup Racing]

Racers buy the best TOOL.

Amateurs race what they own.

These are the statements that rub people the wrong way. Racing is racing. Some of the best competition today sorry to say, is in class 5. These guys have ten times the experience and seat time you do. The word amateurs should be used a little more carefully.
I raced a boat that I owned. You dont want any part of that thing. Just a piece of postive advice. Smitty

[Sean H]

All the V's would race well against Cat lights. Thing is they wont want a 525 Cat boat to kick their butts. Put them with 750/850 cat and they will all cry foul.

Exactly, it's priceless to see superduperveeunlimitedextreme get it handed to them by a 525 cat. There is a reason Open class died. It was called the Skater.

[Sean Stinson]

ok I just have to point this out.....you give me a 100 miles in 6'+ water.... I will take a super vee against your 525 cat light and make it a race.....if you remember back in the day like 2000 era that the super vees were outrunning the super cats no matter what water conditions were!!!!!

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

Sean,, Nice try. The Super V's have never out run the Super cats. In 2000 the superVs were going 140 with 1200's and the Supercats like Drambuie were going 160's. It takes 1500's in a V to run with Supercats.

The 100 miles in 6' hasn't happened in at least 10years. Maybe longer.

I do agree if it were to happen it would be a good race.

[Sean H]

ok I just have to point this out.....you give me a 100 miles in 6'+ water.... I will take a super vee against your 525 cat light and make it a race.....if you remember back in the day like 2000 era that the super vees were outrunning the super cats no matter what water conditions were!!!!!

they don't race in that water today, stop living in the past. If today's extreme vee's are any indication, none of them would make 100 miles anyway.

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

they don't race in that water today, stop living in the past. If today's extreme vee's are any indication, none of them would make 100 miles anyway.

Amsoil in Clearwater averaged 96. Ahead of Panasonic and the rest of the superV's.

Yes , it would be a race in open water, but sadly those days are gone.

SuperV extreme last year in Key West averaged only 76 or 78 over 3 days.
Not even as fast as the Cat Outboards as I recall