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    Ted, nobody on the left has any credibility with you anyway, so what difference does it make? You have a point there, but a worthy opponent keeps you on your game, y'all need to find that guy/gal.

    Sure, it's a bit of a surprise, and the reason I think it is is because the American people have been so preoccupied recently with our own economic problems that we have put much of the world's other issues to the back of our minds. But the rest of the world has not, and I think this is testament to the fact that Obama has made some real changes relative to the previous administration's horrendous policies and the world has taken notice.

    Name one change that has not backfired.

    On the global stage name someone who is better deserving.

    Bill Clinton

    George Mitchell

    Cindy Sheehan

    George HW Bush
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    This is a JOKE!
    Jay, even you can't really believe he is deserving of this, especially 10 days into his term. I know you bathe in the kool-aid, but come on. It scares the chit out of me how this guy is worshiped as the second coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fund razor View Post
    Bill Clinton.
    Don't forget..
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    Mickey Mouse
    and Goofy too!
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    I think there should actually be peace before they give out a prize.
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    swap the L and the E, then delete the r and add a p where the z is and you get

    Noble Peace Pipe

    Smoke'em if you got'em (ah..to be young again!)
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    A few days into his term voting ended.

    Maybe they HOPED there would be CHANGE by now and they would look prescient.

    Gitmo? Nope.

    Iraq? Nope.

    Afghanistan? Nope.

    Chicago? Nope.

    Now they look retarded.
    Treat every situation like a dog, if you can't eat it or hump it, piss on it and walk away.
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    someone else's words:

    there are two obvious points: this is premature and this is thoroughly deserved.

    Both are right. I don't think Americans fully absorbed the depths to which this country's reputation had sunk under the Cheney era. That's understandable. And so they also haven't fully absorbed the turn-around in the world's view of America that Obama and the American people have accomplished. Of course, this has yet to bear real fruit. But you can begin to see how it could; and I hope more see both the peaceful intentions and the steely resolve of this man to persevere.

    This president has done a huge amount to bring race relations in this country to a different place, which is why the far right has become so vicious in attacking him and lying about him. They know he threatens their politics of division and rule. He has also directly addressed the Muslim world, telling some hard truths, and played a small role in evoking a similar movement of hope and change in Iran, and finally told the Israelis to stop cutting their nose off to spite their face.
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    This president has done a huge amount to bring race relations in this country to a different place
    You can say that again...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

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    Jay, please leave Sullivan out of this. If he was any farther up O's butt he could see the teleprompter. There is NO reason for this, no hope, no real change, and NO results that could be considered positive in ANY way. And that is now, not 10 days after he became President. He definitely has changed race relations though, now the discrimination against whites is out in full force and the blatant racism of the so-called black leaders is running unchecked. And anyone that doesn't expect backlash from that is way beyond hopey changy and all the way to delusional. Regardless of what the race baiters want to believe, a 70+ percent majority will NOT bow down to a 9 percent and dwindling one.
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    Hey..when chiefie and the penguin went to war, it was I who negotiated a peace compact. Where the hell is my Noble???????
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayboat View Post
    someone else's words:

    there are two obvious points: this is premature and this is thoroughly deserved.

    Both are right. I don't think Americans fully absorbed the depths to which this country's reputation had sunk under the Cheney era. That's understandable. And so they also haven't fully absorbed the turn-around in the world's view of America that Obama and the American people have accomplished. Of course, this has yet to bear real fruit. But you can begin to see how it could; and I hope more see both the peaceful intentions and the steely resolve of this man to persevere.

    This president has done a huge amount to bring race relations in this country to a different place, which is why the far right has become so vicious in attacking him and lying about him. They know he threatens their politics of division and rule. He has also directly addressed the Muslim world, telling some hard truths, and played a small role in evoking a similar movement of hope and change in Iran, and finally told the Israelis to stop cutting their nose off to spite their face.
    Response to somebody else's point number 1) How did that work for him in Denmark???

    Response to somebody else's point number 2) He has brought race relations to a point in which he gets involved in local police issues and then has to invite everybody to the white house to calm down something that he stirred up by sticking his nose in it. Sweet.
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    I have a feeling that the awarders of the nobel peace prize would have the same answers as this group in the video!!!


    But he's a great speaker!!


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    oratators ??????? the pinheads of the nation have united !!!
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    I went and read all the stuff from the nobel folks. They gave it to him because they hoped that it would make him change some stuff. It was decided before he did jack. Before he did the things that Jay's spokespeople mention.... before race relations.

    It may have been after he mortgaged our future with the Economic Socialism and Recovery Act....creating a deficit which exceeds the annual deficits going all the way back. He did that right away.
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    I think old Yasser Arafat got one too!!!!!!(terrorist)
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    Race relations???

    Here is how he got elected. It won't happen again. The card was played and next time, knowing that there is no payoff and no "historical significance" they will stay in bed like every other election.
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    Is this decision (in advance, in hopes that he earns it later) just a little too much like affirmative action?
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    The nobel committee didn't vote for Obama. They voted against Bush.
    (Just like the election that he wasn't qualified to win.)

    Here's the word's of the chairman:

    "The Nobel committee chairman said after awarding the 2002 prize to former Democratic President Jimmy Carter, for his mediation in international conflicts, that it (obama's award) should be seen as a "kick in the leg" to the Bush administration's hard line in the buildup to the Iraq war."
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayboat View Post
    someone else's words:

    there are two obvious points: this is premature and this is thoroughly deserved.

    Both are right. I don't think Americans fully absorbed the depths to which this country's reputation had sunk under the Cheney era. That's understandable. And so they also haven't fully absorbed the turn-around in the world's view of America that Obama and the American people have accomplished. Of course, this has yet to bear real fruit. But you can begin to see how it could; and I hope more see both the peaceful intentions and the steely resolve of this man to persevere.

    This president has done a huge amount to bring race relations in this country to a different place, which is why the far right has become so vicious in attacking him and lying about him. They know he threatens their politics of division and rule. He has also directly addressed the Muslim world, telling some hard truths, and played a small role in evoking a similar movement of hope and change in Iran, and finally told the Israelis to stop cutting their nose off to spite their face.
    I don't think you needed to add the first line here Jay, that is a given.
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    This award means nothing. Consider they gave this award to Carter and NOT to Ronald Reagan who actually ended the "Cold War". Apparently, you only get the award if you talk about peace, not if you actually do something to gain it.
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