Smitty, what are the penalties for rules violations?
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11-18-2010 09:09 PMdoes Santa's sleigh have a blower ?
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11-18-2010 09:13 PM
Working on it. I believe we have it all covered. From one minute penalties to a complete DQ. If the Org does it's job, and makes sure there are a fleet of legal boats launched on Sunday morning, it boils down to race coarse infractions.
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11-18-2010 09:29 PM
thanks for your time ,,I know it takes a lot of it.....have a great thanksgiving ,,..
now i need a driver ,,jim has a daughter in college and is going to take some time off,,
requirements ...female..20/30ish 5'5 / 6'0 ,,,with money,,,willing to wear the new suits
( not much ) likes fast and rough,,, and never ,never ,lets go of the steering wheel..IMCO #10- 2009 National Champions
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11-18-2010 09:38 PM
You are welcome George. Enjoy the Turkey.
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11-19-2010 09:54 AM
Use some imagination, If you want to drive, just find 2 individuals that fit that profile to mechanic, and crane the boat. I bet George would work with that. Get them to wear some mini aluminum flywheels around there necks, and some of them short shorts I keep hearing about. Score some Serious bonus points wiith George not Doc.
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11-19-2010 01:24 PM
great idea ,,and i,m in charge of seat belts,,,too,,
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11-20-2010 12:13 PM
ACCELERATION?????....I love that word,you guys rock...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX8f1...eature=related
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11-21-2010 08:37 PM
all right then ,,lets start useing this ,,and move foward,, no digs no jabs ,just good sound foward thinking ideas,,
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11-21-2010 08:49 PM
If anyone out there is wanting into the Svl class now is the time to get in!! Next season will be here soon, and I'm betting that there are going to be some strong teams out there with some of the tightest racing in offshore, there are some great boats that are available, i will help anyone interested any way that I can, and I know the rest of our group will to.
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11-21-2010 09:07 PMSBI is also interested in helping make it work. I have spoke to a few team owners and Richie . We are going to put a conferance class together soon we would like a few of the SVL owner to be part of it. I have spoke to Steve M and he is on board and likes some of the idea we are looking and if anyone else is interested and feels they would like to share some thought with us please feel free to contact me. Like i have said in earlier posts we need to try to keep it as simple,fair, and as inexpensive as posible. The key is to make it afordable for everyone so the class can grow. What has been in the past didnt work so it is time to turn a new page and look toward the futhure. We are looking at all aspects of the cost facts and an even playing field .
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11-21-2010 09:32 PM
An even playing field with very solid rules and diligent tech inspections to keep it fair is what we all want. My team will help anyway that we can and would like to be a part of the positive change for our class that we all want. Please include us in any way you feel we can help.
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11-21-2010 09:43 PMFrom the thread we are letting die, discussing gray areas....
Sorry
Wish they were. And I think the racers should have input before the rules are set in stone.
The bigger gray issues are ballast tanks, gear ratios, prop diameters, correcting bottom issues vs modifying the bottom, rpm, modified ecms, aerodynamic tendencies of the hull design, no changes to the design of the drive vs adding a nose cone which must be approved by the org 30 days prior to competition, etc. Many of these things are unpoliceable. Like bottom modifications. How do you make sure a boat still fits the mold of a homologized hull? That is the only requirement in one org, and in another there are no requirements governing hull modifications.
Most of the issues are because of differences in rules between the orgs. Like running the 1.69 gear in SBI vs not allowed in the other two. But, then one team, ran the 1.69 in one of the other orgs, with the bigger prop, because it was legal elsewhere. Same with bottom modifications vs bottom changes and reprogramming ecm's.
I'd like to see no ballast tanks, 1.50 max gear ratio, 15.75 diameter prop max, no hull water pickups allowed, a maximum rpm measured with a data acquisition unit, etc.
If the drive issue and prop diameter are not addressed, one of these days we will see a surface piercing Bravo type drive because of a new hull and prop design. I'd guess a 3 to 5 mph advantage with the right combination.
Another issue is with the ecm's being allowed to be modified, a high dollar team can eliminate all others as we've seen, by reprogramming the late model merc to run at around 6000+ rpm where the earlier merc's will not, but it will probably only last around 30 hours based on testing, but will make an additional 40hp. But, if you have the money, who cares. You can still go collect trophies. That is why a maximum rpm should be addressed.
Anyway, I hope some of these things are addressed. The small improvements to a hull you can do in your garage means nothing compared to having unlimited funds to reprogram ecm's and rebuild engines with a short life span.
And, as we've certainly found out, the tech rules need to be simple enough that the boats get teched who place in the top three at every race. If they are too complex, you have those who know they won't get teched only getting caught cheating by accident when making a tactical error.
I firmly believe a sealed engine program only makes it easy for the serious cheaters to avoid detection because they know they will not get teched if they have duplicated the seals. And, as we know in today's world, duplicating the seals with rapid prototype technology is only a couple days work if you have the funds available to you.
That is why I think Whistler compression units and P&G cubic inch measurement units should be used vs sealed engines. That, combined with the maximum rpm measured while racing, weight minimum, width min/max, height minx, prop diameter max, water pickup in drive, and possibly drive height will make it so that it will almost be impossible to cheat.
No ballast tanks is also to eliminate cronic cheaters. In P1 they have no water pickups allowed other than engine cooling, and it must be external to the engine on entry and exit.
I would also always leave the clause of some kind about parity. My best thought is it should be RPM's so that other boat builders and engine builders can participate.Getting bad advice is unfortunate, taking bad advice is a Serious matter!!
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11-21-2010 10:12 PMThanks for your in put they are all good points to be looked at. Like everything else in life some I agree with and some I dont. The rules will be made and from that point on it is up to the racers, it is going to be impossible to make everyone happy,and we know that already all we can do it try and make it as fair as posible. No one is going to get rich boat racing so our goal is to try and make it as even a playing field as posible so everyone can go out on any given day and have chance to win. This isnt that hard guys we are all smarter then this and i know we can make it work if we try just a little .
We have looked at the prop issue, and drive fight. We also agree with you that sealing the engines is a waiste of the racers money and not the way to go. There was someone in KW selling brand new Merc seals I spoke to him myself. That has been going on for yrs it isnt something new.