Phenomenon Update—New Props Coming

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I wonder how long an SBI Kilo is?........ and how much per yard it costs to reduce that length?

T2x

Now you got me thinking that the Fountain Vee Bottom Record might not be legit.....

[Slandrew]

Now you got me thinking that the Fountain Vee Bottom Record might not be legit.....

Which one

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Which one

[mikes280]

Now you got me thinking that the Fountain Vee Bottom Record might not be legit.....

can't answer that but i can tell you it was hauling the mail , i was there.

[Slandrew]

Off topic!

[lindeman]

Since we're on the subject, I'm curious.

How exactly is the speed verified at a UIM kilo? Is it calculated distance/time, or do they use some kind of laser and/or radar device at the end? If it's the former, how do you precisely measure exactly 1km on the water? Laser range-finder? Surely not GPS, I hope. What's used to mark the start and stop? Buoys that drift and wobble? Land-based positions? And how does one ensure that a timing devices triggers exactly when a boat enters the kilo and exits the kilo? And who certifies/calibrates the devices in question?

Just looked at the UIM §60x and §610 rules:
§604.02: ...
The base must be measured by triangulation or electronic distance
measuring equipment (EDM), which must have a first class certificate
delivered by an Observatory or similar authority. This certificate must not
be older than two years.
...
§610.01 Distance: 1 nautical mile, 1 Statute mile or 1 kilometer
§610.04 Timing: Above 200 kph timing
is to be by photoelectrical or similar apparatus to one hundredth of a
second.
§610.04: Interval: The time elapsing between the two runs must not exceed 20 minutes
except for jet attempts, when the permitted interval is one hour.


Morten

[T2x]

Now you got me thinking

Good...the therapy is obviously working.

[cigdaze]

Just looked at the UIM §60x and §610 rules:
§604.02: ...
The base must be measured by triangulation or electronic distance
measuring equipment (EDM), which must have a first class certificate
delivered by an Observatory or similar authority. This certificate must not
be older than two years.
...
§610.01 Distance: 1 nautical mile, 1 Statute mile or 1 kilometer
§610.04 Timing: Above 200 kph timing
is to be by photoelectrical or similar apparatus to one hundredth of a
second.
§610.04: Interval: The time elapsing between the two runs must not exceed 20 minutes
except for jet attempts, when the permitted interval is one hour.


Morten

Many thanks Morten.

[Brownie]

Kiekhaefer's timing set was old, but great. Some WW1 artillery stuff, I think. They tape measured the distance, and set up one the devices at each end. A man rotated the sight to the boat coming down the course, and when it was at the staring line, the sight touched a switch which started and electric timer. The finish guy started tracking the boat when it came into view, and tracked it to the end, where a similar switch stopped the timer. If the guys were honest, the timing was perfect.

[KiloKat]

Do all of the sactioning bodies have the same length kilo?

My understanding is that they do. I can tell you to get a kilo course sanctioned by the APBA is both time consuming and very costly. I had one approved for LOTO and it was a task I wouldn't assume again. First contacted a certified surveyor whose name was provided by somone at Missouri's state capital; then paid him to survey a sanctioned kilo course per APBA's written instructions. It took him countless days to survey, drive his metal pins in the rock bed, draw up a plat of the course and then submit it to APBA for approval. And, this was just to get a course approved. The cost to actually hold a sanctioned event only goes up from there ...

[DollaBill]

Now you got me thinking that the Fountain Vee Bottom Record might not be legit.....

I was there for 3 days. I mean right there. In the race shop with Reggie and Ben and David, Martin etc. I was there the night before the official run for the test run (150 plus). I was right there in the middle of the "course" when they came by at friggin blistering speeds and I was there at the dock when Reggie got back and I was there to see GPS numbers and talk to him and Ben when they got off the boat. The boat saw 183 outside of the official run.

I know some of you feel differently but I say 183 is the number, not 177 etc. Anyway, my .02

[DollaBill]

About 5k

You're off a bit LOL

[T2x]

I was there for 3 days. I mean right there. In the race shop with Reggie and Ben and David, Martin etc. I was there the night before the official run for the test run (150 plus). I was right there in the middle of the "course" when they came by at friggin blistering speeds and I was there at the dock when Reggie got back and I was there to see GPS numbers and talk to him and Ben when they got off the boat. The boat saw 183 outside of the official run.

I know some of you feel differently but I say 183 is the number, not 177 etc. Anyway, my .02

Okay...so you are saying that based on GPS readings....World Speed records should be set? In that case I humbly submit the attached ( photo taken in my 28 foot Skater with twin 300x Mercury's) as my basis for claiming the World Propeller Driven and Overall Water Speed Records.

Please send my trophy, check and official certificate when you get a moment.

Thank you,

T2x

[T2x]

My understanding is that they do. I can tell you to get a kilo course sanctioned by the APBA is both time consuming and very costly. I had one approved for LOTO and it was a task I wouldn't assume again. First contacted a certified surveyor whose name was provided by somone at Missouri's state capital; then paid him to survey a sanctioned kilo course per APBA's written instructions. It took him countless days to survey, drive his metal pins in the rock bed, draw up a plat of the course and then submit it to APBA for approval. And, this was just to get a course approved. The cost to actually hold a sanctioned event only goes up from there ...

Agreed....There have a been a number of extensively surveyed courses using the APBA/UIM procedures including Norristown PA, Guntersville Al, and others. As a matter of fact I think Sarasota was surveyed ....by the APBA...... in past years. The APBA/UIM also insisted that closed circle courses be surveyed to establish competition records for both heat races and multi hour marathons. Up until the break up of the sanctioning bodies this all was taken very seriously and you could bet on the accuracy of the records. Today I'm afraid there have been records set on courses that are little more than the result of putting a timimg light "over here" and another one "over there".....

If I were the Phenomenon team I would attempt to set any records only on an APBA-UIM approved course, to avoid any questions in anyone's mind. All Of Al Copeland Senior's previous speed marks were set that way.

T2x

[Knot 4 Me]

Okay...so you are saying that based on GPS readings....World Speed records should be set? In that case I humbly submit the attached ( photo taken in my 28 foot Skater with twin 300x Mercury's) as my basis for claiming the World Propeller Driven and Overall Water Speed Records.

Please send my trophy, check and official certificate when you get a moment.

Thank you,

T2x

I'd say you have her "dialed in"!

[DollaBill]

Okay...so you are saying that based on GPS readings....World Speed records should be set? In that case I humbly submit the attached ( photo taken in my 28 foot Skater with twin 300x Mercury's) as my basis for claiming the World Propeller Driven and Overall Water Speed Records.

Please send my trophy, check and official certificate when you get a moment.

Thank you,

T2x

Totally disagree and not getting into it with you. I stand firm on my position. And yes, I believe kilos are total BS for speed records. How fast has the boat EVER achieved if only for 1/1oth of a second. Thats the number

[KiloKat]

If I were the Phenomenon team I would attempt to set any records only on an APBA-UIM approved course, to avoid any questions in anyone's mind.

Absolutely!

[Maximus]

If I were the Phenomenon team I would attempt to set any records only on an APBA-UIM approved course, to avoid any questions in anyone's mind. All Of Al Copeland Senior's previous speed marks were set that way.

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agreed . I told him (Scott barnhardt) this in no uncertain terms

[Flat Rate]

Now you got me thinking that the Fountain Vee Bottom Record might not be legit.....

The Foutain record is UIM APBA certified.

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The Foutain record is UIM APBA certified.

I suppose this could be true providing that the APBA Sanctioning deal with SBI was paid in full.... ???