Thanks Charley..
I was reading a bunch of the Avanti's history but nothing was really "concrete".
This hull is 33'-3" (pulled from the mold in 07+-) and I thought it was from the original Coyote hulls, and it does have one less strake, but the lines are very similar.
Some of the current hulls/boats are faster.. but in serious seas.. I can handle it where as some of the "faster" hulls do ease back a bit. You guys did great with the design.. and I'm happy to have this history.. and own a part of it..
Thanks for the narrative.. (now I just have to find the marine equal of AKC and get the bloodline registered.)
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10-23-2008 09:32 PM
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10-23-2008 11:16 PM
So is the Avanti mold actually a Banana/Coyote mold ... or??? I've seen the roots from Cig to Apache. From Gara, MSV, Cobra, Banana, Coyote, to Sonic's purchase, but do not see Avanti mentioned? I do know it was Jersey built hull
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10-24-2008 02:36 PMPlease post a photo of an Avanti, so we can see what you have there. Maybe we can figure out where it came from.
Clarification: Spoke to Bobby a little while ago and we agree that our memories are foggy but not dead, so this is the progression of the 37.6 that became the 41.
First there was the 35, then that was stretched to a 39 with a little flare in the freeboard aft.
That mold for the 39 was then blocked down to 37.6 and the Top Gun came from that.
The 37.6 was then stretched to a 41 and became the Apache 41.
So, it goes like this....35 to 39 / 39 down to 37.6 / 37.6 to 41
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10-24-2008 03:16 PMIf he bought the old Sonic molds, then that is my old boat.
Forget the sizes, we built a 38 and a 33 which was actually a 34 foot boat. Banana sold them as 33's and Coyote sold them as 34's and they were exactly the same.
The slab sides vs the knuckle sides that a Cigarette has, leans more toward the old Banana. The Banana strakes were 5 inches wide at the chine and 4 inches wide on the next strake in and the bottom strake was 3 inches. (It is really scary that I remember this stuff at all)
So, check out the width of the strakes and that may tell us all once and for all if they match the 5 / 4 / 3 scenario.
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10-24-2008 04:40 PM
Charley..
Please check out new thread about the Avanti..
I stole this thread long enough.. sorry.. (and thanks)
http://www.seriousoffshore.com/forum...ted=1#post7241
BTW, it is a 5, 4, 3.. strakes...
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10-28-2008 06:47 PMYes Frank
I remember a few with the short staggered speedmaster III application.. It allowed us to raise the drives higher.. We also tried one with extension boxes.. That was not a good idea … The boat ran a little too transom heavy and needed some tab to keep the bow in check..
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10-28-2008 08:32 PMCool! Thanks for the info on the extension boxes, in another thread it was suggested to add boxes so it does not look like that would be a good idea.
Thanks again for all your help the past couple years and even before I bought the boat!
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10-29-2008 05:43 AMDamn, I love reading this stuff.
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11-03-2008 11:29 AM44' MSV
Grand Daddy of them all...
The 44’ MSV was ahead of its time for a super class boat.. At that time, the American Powerboat Racing Association ( The one and only racing organization at that time) only allowed us to use under UIM rules 500 cubic inch carbureted or fuel injected engines .. Just for the record the Gara was a totally different hull than the MSV and built several years later.
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11-03-2008 12:00 PMGreat thread. Gone Bananas is such a bad azz boat- looks like it's all business, serious business.
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11-03-2008 01:09 PMThose guys were very bad azz. The two partners in the boat were just back from 'Nam and they were both Green Berets that served on the assasination teams behind the lines.
Thought a lot of their stories were BS, until one day in Newport RI after a wet lunch, one of my customers ran into them leaving a local bar heading for their car in the lot....on the way they all passed a building with a chained-in lot that had a Doberman Pinscher in it.
The dog started barking at them and one of the Gone Banana's guys says to the dog..."Shut up". The dog doesn't shut up and the next thing the guy has climbed the fence and jumped into the yard.
My customer told me that the dog took one look at this guy's eyes and ran off into the building to hide. After the war, they said that offshore racing was the closest thing they got to that same adreneline rush.Light travels faster than sound....that is why some people appear bright until we hear them speak!!
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11-03-2008 06:06 PM
Thanks Bob S. for all the info you sent via email a few years back. The 21 is running good and we have had a blast with it.
It gets more attention than a lot of bigger boats.
Jim
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11-03-2008 07:41 PM
"Why are Apaches so great?"
I guess it all comes down to build quality and customer service. I bought a 21 year old boat and the man that built it is still accesible and willing to help! The mechanic that rigged my outboard stated "I haven't heard a crack,pop or felt a soft spot after crawling all over this boat and I'm a big boy". He is a BIG fellow. The original rigging is phenominal. We had to change a few things from OMC to Yamaha but tried to mimic the original pattern.
Thats my little brother playing guitar in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XUQm66-l6c
Thanks again,
Jim
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