Season's over now what??

[imco offshore]

Lance ,,I like the way you wright ,,,,it is true ,,they are fast ,,they practice,,,I think Richie has done a good job ,,rebuilding the rules to attract the class again,,he also has parity rules in place,,,so all is moot, untill the new season starts,,and yes it,s on his shoulders(Richie) !!

P.S. I get to keep my fingers ,,lolol The SOB poked it with a needle ,,and I DID HURT,,the SOB..

[Ratickle]

P.S. I get to keep my fingers ,,lolol The SOB poked it with a needle ,,and I DID HURT,,the SOB..

There's no crying in boat racing.......

[Wreckdoctor]

Good news George on the fingers. Thought maybe you were trying to shave a little weight there for extra speed!!!

[Ratickle]

Good news George on the fingers. Thought maybe you were trying to shave a little weight there for extra speed!!!

Now that would be dedication....

[Ratickle]

I have a question, maybe this is rumor.


Why would the Fountain not get tech inspected in Key West for Cu In, Compression, Valve Train, etc??????

[Steve Miklos]

???????
Steve

[Wil Ros]

Again, just a rumor I heard.

The reason given for not checking the Fountain's CU in was that it was checked a month before at the Nationals. Take it for what it is.

Wil.

PS.

I watched Steve and Gary run the piss out of their boat. IMO, no SVL with the exception of the Fountain has ever run the Key West course faster. They were fast.

They were in another class and still could not catch the Fountain.

Congratulations to Gary and Steve and I hope we can get something put together soon.

Steve, you have the go ahead.

Wil

[Ratickle]

Again, just a rumor I heard.

The reason given for not checking the Fountain's CU in was that it was checked a month before at the Nationals. Take it for what it is.

Wil.

Even though they showed up with two engines? Makes no sense to me.

[Wreckdoctor]

Podium boats should be teched after race, no questions asked. Hatchs should be sealed at the crane, and checked as soon as they hit the pits. If your not willing to be teched, boat should be disqualified.
Bottom line, in a class like Svl the race to watch shouldn't be for fifth place 3/4 of a lap behind the leader, if boats leave the pack so badly then they don't belong in the class. Multiple boats performing exactly the same with tight racing is what makes the class so exciting. Just my two cents.

[Wil Ros]

Even though they showed up with two engines? Makes no sense to me.

Paul,

Many things that went on that week make no sense to me but what do I know.

Wil

[Ratickle]

Paul,

Many things that went on that week make no sense to me but what do I know.

Wil

I know what you mean...

[Ratickle]

I keep reviewing things and keep coming back to, if the ECM's were stock, a lot of these issues just go away.......


Is there a single type of ECM that can be used for all types of engines? At a reasonable expense?

[XtremeRacing]

Paul,

From what i have been told the ECM that is used in the 525 is the only one that will work with the moator Merc built it that way.

What is your main concern with the ECM's ? I have spoke to a lot of motor builder that have done a lot of dyno testing with ECM's and the higher RPM doesnt always mean HP.

[Ratickle]

I'm not sure that matters. Maybe he is like me, wants to participate, but knows he cannot unless the rules are nailed down and enforced. Most of the racers (Especially Me) cannot afford to spend $40,000 to $50,000 to make a 525 into a 700 and buzz it at 6200+ RPM so it has to be replaced every few races......

That's one of the reasons I was considering a twin engine class comeback, although it sounds odd.

[XtremeRacing]

Ok thanks

[Ratickle]

Paul,

From what i have been told the ECM that is used in the 525 is the only one that will work with the moator Merc built it that way.

What is your main concern with the ECM's ? I have spoke to a lot of motor builder that have done a lot of dyno testing with ECM's and the higher RPM doesnt always mean HP.

You are correct. But I believe, with cam or lifter ratio changes and porting/massaging to the intake and heads, the higher RPM's make huge differences. And, the engines will not live for a couple seasons like they have at the 5450 or 5650 maximum.

With the lower RPM's max, and checking CuIn, and checking Compression, cheating internally does not make much difference. But, the tests by engine builders I've talked with, still expect over 600hp (up to 640) at those lower RPM's by just massaging the internals with a stock ECM. Is any org willing to tear down engines to make sure all the internals are still stock? We've figured out the answer to that.

Right now, there is no way to check without tear down. The question, is how do you write the rules so all aspects can be checked in a half hour of the end of a race, or a half hour prior to a race? That's the challenge I've put up to solve......

And I'm positive it can be solved.

[Steve Miklos]

640 hp with stock ECM and moved timing emitter is possible and has been done below 5500 RPM. If you pull out all the stops and go with a solid lifter or hydraulic lifter acting solid, regrind or change cam remap ECU 700 is attainable. In theory 730 hp could happen around 5800 with legal 9:1 509 CI. If you add size or compression you can move the number north of 750 HP with a 525. It appears the Vortec is on the edge well south of 640 HP.
Steve

[Ratickle]

640 hp with stock ECM and moved timing emitter is possible and has been done below 5500 RPM. If you pull out all the stops and go with a solid lifter or hydraulic lifter acting solid, regrind or change cam remap ECU 700 is attainable. In theory 730 hp could happen around 5800 with legal 9:1 509 CI. If you add size or compression you can move the number north of 750 HP with a 525. It appears the Vortec is on the edge well south of 640 HP.
Steve

Well, there's the issue. Now, the solution????????

[Ratickle]

Is there anyway to catch a reground or switched cam without tearing down the engine?????

[Wil Ros]

Well, there's the issue. Now, the solution????????

I believe there is a solution. Steve has a real good grasp on a system that will take care of all these variables.

But as George said before, we are in the hands of the ORG.

I am already taking steps to be ready for the system.

Baby steps I guess but I am really excited that the class as a whole wants to move forward.

Wil