switching to synthetic oil?

[Bill]

For the Ford Techs out there... I have a 2010 F250 with the V-10 in it. Currently, I have 300 miles on it. I normally do my first oil change at 1K miles...Given that, I have not had a gas tryuck for awile, so what is a safe mileage to switch to full syn oil? I am an Amsoil dealer, so that is what I will be using.

Thanks!

[fixxxer22]

You amsoil guys stand by your product. so change when you feel like you are ready. Just switch to 5w-30. they run 5w-20 in the trucks because they have a high boulme oil pump and they are looking for that 1/100th of a mile per gallon aout of the thinner oil. also stick with motorcraft filters. i do so many repairs on the 3v engines (i am a gas tech as well) that involve de-laminating oil filters that clog vct housings and block oil flow to the upper engine and cause a mess. now we have inspectors come out and you will have a battle if you have engine failure and there is some other filter on the truck.

[Bill]

You amsoil guys stand by your product. so change when you feel like you are ready. Just switch to 5w-30. they run 5w-20 in the trucks because they have a high boulme oil pump and they are looking for that 1/100th of a mile per gallon aout of the thinner oil. also stick with motorcraft filters. i do so many repairs on the 3v engines (i am a gas tech as well) that involve de-laminating oil filters that clog vct housings and block oil flow to the upper engine and cause a mess. now we have inspectors come out and you will have a battle if you have engine failure and there is some other filter on the truck.

Thanks for the tips!! I will be by and buy some Ford filters, thanks!!!!!!

[Bill]

Finally got the truck out after 3 weeks of ownership! Had to test the v-10 with my lightest toy!!

[fixxxer22]

Thanks for the tips!! I will be by and buy some Ford filters, thanks!!!!!!

I think that you can get the motorcraft filters at both autozone and wal-mart. The correct filter is FL-820S. you can buy them here at lindquist but they will no doubt be a couple bucks higher in price.

[Bill]

I think that you can get the motorcraft filters at both autozone and wal-mart. The correct filter is FL-820S. you can buy them here at lindquist but they will no doubt be a couple bucks higher in price.

Again, THANK YOU!!!!!!

[07DominatorSS]

Again, THANK YOU!!!!!!

I am with the largest group of AMSOIL dealers in the country. I probably sell somewhere from 3-4000 EAO 11 oil filters per year, which is the filter for your truck. I have not ever had one issue with them. Yes there are some junk filters out there, and you should stay away from them. Personally I believe you get what you pay for when it comes to an oil filter. Be my guest on what you want to use, but there isn't a filter out there, that is better than an AMSOIL EAO.

And also, you should wait to change your oil till the recommended oem interval. Finally, I would recommend the AMSOIL SSO 0w-30 in your truck. Its simply the best!

[fixxxer22]

Hey, I don't use amsoil i dont plan on it but i'm not saying its bad. And you proved my proud point. Im not trying to shove ford products down anyones throat. I'm just saying that if an inspector gets involved... it states in your owners manual to use only ford reccomemded parts or you could possibly void certain points of your warranty. I have been in almost fist fights with customers using amsoil in HUEI injector systems. It cant take the punnishment for a longer interval. The IPR duty cycle at idle on one was 25% due to how much the oil was foaming. he had many drivability issues. when i suggested we change the oil he said he can go 20k on it according to his dealer and did not want it changed. we had to agree to disagree. in the end we changed it and the truck ran well. he may have needed to be educated in what the proper interval is.

i was at first tip-toeing through this issue. guarantee you say something that can even be taken negative to an amsoil dealer you will have an argument on your hands.

BUIZILLA knows these injection system inside and out he deals with many other engines that have that system on it and knows the internals of the injectors. Even has tools that our dealer does not have. I bet he has seen more damage done by oils from many manufacturers not just amsoil. but i have learned in my dealer to try and shy away from it or let them know that 5k is still a good interval for the oil.

Bill, by all means run whatever oil you want. hell, you sell it. But i have had a wave of 5.4 and 6.8 3v engines that have blockages from bad oil filters and causing the VCT system to run incorrectly and even bending valves. that is when the inspector comes. I want to fix it without cost to the customer at all times. But you cant just thread on another filter when you have her tore down. they will know. I am at ther mercy of Ford Motor Co. during any warranty repair. If the customer needs to be a lawyer to defend their rights to use a different product, Fine... But why not just save the money and run what they say to. why bother with the expensive oil and filter if it dosent matter. If it is considered inferior to amsoil and can still operate on it to fords specs. then just run it.

[fixxxer22]

OASIS SPECIAL SERVICE MESSAGE NUMBER: 21049
MESSAGE TITLE: 1997-2010 MULTIPLE VEHICLE - 4.6L/5.4L/6.8- ENGINE TICKING AND/OR RATTLE NOISE

APPLICABLE VEHICLES :
1997 - 2010 CAR : 00015 CROWN VICTORIA
1997 - 2010 CAR : 00094 TOWN CAR
1997 - 2010 CAR : 00044 GRAND MARQUIS
1997 - 2010 CAR : 00071 MUSTANG
1997 CAR : 00092 THUNDERBIRD
1997 - 2010 TRUCK : 00016 E-SERIES
1997 - 2010 TRUCK : 00029 F-SERIES LD
2002 - 2010 TRUCK : 00134 EXPLORER 4DR
2002 - 2010 TRUCK : 00070 MOUNTAINEER
1997 - 2010 TRUCK : 00026 EXPEDITION
1998 - 2010 TRUCK : 00106 NAVIGATOR

OASIS MESSAGE :
MULTIPLE VEHICLE LINES WITH 4.6L OR 5.4L ENGINE MAY EXPERIENCE AN ENGINE TICKING
OR RATTLE NOISE THAT SOUNDS LIKE A STUCK TAPPET (HLA). THIS MAY BE DUE TO THE
DETERIORATION OF AN AFTERMARKET OIL FILTER. VEHICLES WITH THIS CONDITION HAVE
LOW OIL PRESSURE AT ONE CYLINDER HEAD ONLY, WHILE MAIN PRESSURES ARE NORMAL.
DISLODGED MATERIAL FROM THE AFTERMARKET OIL FILTER BLOCKS THE CAM CAP OIL
PASSAGE, EITHER AT CYLINDER #4 (RIGHT BANK REAR) OR CYLINDER #5 (LEFT BANK
FRONT). FOR VCT EQUIPPED ENGINES, INSPECT THE VCT VALVE BODY AND THE OIL
PASSAGES UNDER THE FIRST CAM CAP. DAMAGE TO ENGINES CAUSED BY AFTERMARKET OIL
FILTERS ARE NOT COVERED UNDER WARRANTY.


APPLICABLE SYMPTOM CODES :
400000 ENGINE
401000 ENGINE OIL SYSTEM CONCERNS
497000 ENGINE NOISE CONCERNS
499000 ENGINE BASIC ENGINE

[BUIZILLA]

try running anything but 5W20 at the factory change intervals in a Mod 4.6, 4.6 2V, 4.6 3V or any 5.4 and see if Ford will warranty it

better yet, run the Amsoil out to 17,000 miles and call Ford and tell them you use aftermarket filters, and extended oil changes, and you may have an engine problem, tell them YOUR decided maintenance schedule, and see what their reply is...

get back to us

[Bill]

try running anything but 5W20 at the factory change intervals in a Mod 4.6, 4.6 2V, 4.6 3V or any 5.4 and see if Ford will warranty it

better yet, run the Amsoil out to 17,000 miles and call Ford and tell them you use aftermarket filters, and extended oil changes, and you may have an engine problem, tell them YOUR decided maintenance schedule, and see what their reply is...

get back to us

Let me say this, I do not care what AMSOIL says, I would NEVER go more then 5K on an oil change. Actually, I do change it at 5K in my Scion, and will be between 2 and 3K in the truck and I do it about every 1500 in my wifes wrangler.

As far as warranty issues, no matter who the mfg. is, for them to deny warranty, they HAVE to prove that the non OEM part caused the failure. It is not up to the customer to prove it did not, the MFG must prove it did cause the failure.

Also, I must say, this thread is the first time I have ever heard of someone badmouthing AMSOIL, and that is ok, everyone has their own opinion, if ya do not like something, do not use it, pretty simple!!

[BUIZILLA]

OASIS MESSAGE :
MULTIPLE VEHICLE LINES WITH 4.6L OR 5.4L ENGINE MAY EXPERIENCE AN ENGINE TICKING
OR RATTLE NOISE THAT SOUNDS LIKE A STUCK TAPPET (HLA). THIS MAY BE DUE TO THE
DETERIORATION OF AN AFTERMARKET OIL FILTER. VEHICLES WITH THIS CONDITION HAVE
LOW OIL PRESSURE AT ONE CYLINDER HEAD ONLY, WHILE MAIN PRESSURES ARE NORMAL.
DISLODGED MATERIAL FROM THE AFTERMARKET OIL FILTER BLOCKS THE CAM CAP OIL
PASSAGE, EITHER AT CYLINDER #4 (RIGHT BANK REAR) OR CYLINDER #5 (LEFT BANK
FRONT). FOR VCT EQUIPPED ENGINES, INSPECT THE VCT VALVE BODY AND THE OIL
PASSAGES UNDER THE FIRST CAM CAP. DAMAGE TO ENGINES CAUSED BY AFTERMARKET OIL
FILTERS ARE NOT COVERED UNDER WARRANTY.


APPLICABLE SYMPTOM CODES :
400000 ENGINE
401000 ENGINE OIL SYSTEM CONCERNS
497000 ENGINE NOISE CONCERNS
499000 ENGINE BASIC ENGINE

actually, this is a good support system for what I have to say now.... oil filters is a dirty word(s), literally... unlike oil(s), filter manufacturers do not have an SAE or API or any other spec they must adhere to in construction materials, media, filtration quality, absorption, or contaminant separation... it's a free for all to make the absolute cheapest filter for the marketing shelf stock... which is why most all car manufacturers aren't sticklers to oil brands as they are to oil filter usage. I am a HUGE fan of OEM quality oil filters, especially Ford. Cummins uses Fleetguard, GM uses AC Delco, yada yada... Most every filter builder has had degenerate days... Donaldson and Baldwin included... the absolute worst I have seen lately, actually for a longggg while now, has been Fram. Junk, pure junk.. CAT uses Donaldson, and for good reason, excellent product, i've NEVER seen a CAT branded filter EVER fail in 40 years of my turning screws.. I can't stress enough about filter and oil brand use in a HEUI engine... if you could spend 20 minutes in my shop and watch testing of HEUI injectors you would CLEARLY understand my sentiment... the school system we do work for uses CAT filters and NAPA Fleet 15W40 oil, which is Valvoline (same blend as Cummins Blue without the blue dye) in EVERY 3126 and C7, all are HEUI and also Navistar DT466 and, T444E, both HEUI. In the last 3 years since I convinced them to switch from Rotella T they have had virtually zero injector failures due to oil, previous to that they had at least 20-30 a month due to oil failure alone... turbo failures were 15-20 a month and now it's about 4-5... all they did was get rid of Rotella T oil. They do use NAPA Gold Series (Wix) filters in the gas engines and Cummins ISB's in the box delivery trucks. Once again, zero engine failures. Timed out wear outs, yes, oil related failures, no. Oil service is at 7500 for diesels or every 90 days, and 5,000 for gas. Fla D.O.T. has STRICT guidelines for school buses, every single school bus in this state gets inspected every 28 days, no if's, ands, or buts about it, and they have a zero tolerance policy for vehicle engine manufacturer guideline policys to be broken.

[Bill]

And again, thanks for the tips ya'll have given me, much appreciated!!!!

[fixxxer22]

I like your outlook Bill. You have a great attitude! Sorry to be negative on your thread.

[Bill]

I like your outlook Bill. You have a great attitude! Sorry to be negative on your thread.

Thanks!! I ask you becasue you know!! I see no negativity from you at all!!!

[Chris]

I bought a GM with a 5.7 in it new in '96. Still have it- has 325K on the engine and it's never been apart. Runs like new. All that it's had is injectors. I put Mobil 1 in it at the first change and thet's all it's had in it since. 10K intervals. Still uses no oil to speak of- it might be a half qt low at the change.

Now on the Ford diesels, I wouldn't dream of trying anything like that. That 100K warranty has too much value. And the filters aren't that expensive. The oil isn't either. But a reman 6.0 with installation certainly is.

[Rich]

My fleet is bigger than your fleet.... LOL

[Bill]

Did somebody say Apache?!?!?!? lmao

[fixxxer22]

I do want to chime in on oil analysis. Ford (using Navistar engines) has no spec for what is contained in your oil. And no spec for gas engines. What do you use to compare known good oil from a vehicle at 3k on its oil.

[07DominatorSS]

I do want to chime in on oil analysis. Ford (using Navistar engines) has no spec for what is contained in your oil. And no spec for gas engines. What do you use to compare known good oil from a vehicle at 3k on its oil.

The lab compares the used oil to the same oil being new. I wish I could post a pic of a report from the lab that I personally use, The Oil Analysis Lab in Spokane, WA, but I can't. What the lab report shows is numerous things. Anything from water, antifreeze, viscosity, wear metal, and additives in the oil. They know what specs all these categories should be in, and then grade each category A,B,C,D or X. Obviously X being the worst. If these categories are within range of being new, then why change it, it would be just like putting new oil in. I wish I had the reports handy from the battery truck fleet I had mentioned. They used to use Rotella, and then switched to the AMSOIL 15w-40 Marine Diesel. At 100k they did an analysis of the 100K AMSOIL and one of the Rotella straight out of the bottle. Believe it or not, the AMSOIL with 100k on it, was still cleaner and stronger than the Rotella out of the bottle.