I can't believe what I'm watching

[LaughingCat]

Electronic vote is connected to teh person's name. It is electronically tabulated and recorded in efficient time.

[03darkshadow]

Not counting "the doctor fix". The federal government already pays only about 18% of billing to physicians, and they intend to cut that even more. The private insurance companies started doing the same thing when they saw what the government was getting away with.

I can't walk into a hardware store, pick up a $100 item, toss $18 on the counter and walk out. Good luck finding a good doc to save your backside in the years to come!

What a lot of people don't realize is the we (the ER docs) already take care of A LOT of people for FREE without ANY reimbursement now because the government says we have to.

does this bill help with people being able to sue dr's like crazy?

[catastrophe]

Explain to me why they are poor. Could it be they chose to drop out of school or they chose to use drugs or they chose to to buy $200 basketball shoes instead of buying groceries. If someone really wants to succeed in this country there are tons of opportunities for them to take advantage of. More so if they are a minority.

Of course there are people born with disabilities whether it be physical or mental that have special needs and deserve help. I have no problem giving them whatever they need to live comfortably but I have no sympathy for people who expect the rest of us to pay their way.

You are a typical extremist full of BS stereotyping.

Maybe they are one of the following.

Someone that used to build cars whose job was sent to Mexico
Someone that used to be in the massive shipbuilding industry in the USA which other than military is non existent.
Someone in the once huge carpet industry that left your country.

Or in any manufacturing industry that is now exampled by the shiploads of goods that come from China to Walmart.
And most recently the thousands of people in the automanufacturing and homebuilding sector.

There are hundreds of reasons why some folks cant afford proper healthcare.

And out of a hundred reasons...typically about 6 of the reasons involve laziness.

[RedDog382]

does this bill help with people being able to sue dr's like crazy?

Not at all. Not one of the attorney/Democrat Senators or Representatives has wanted or been willing to look at the issue of malpractice reform.

Don't get me wrong ... malpractice does exist. My own mother and stepfather both died of blatant malpractice. But the CEO of this health insurance plan/hospital chain responsible for their deaths made in excess of $22 million in salary and bonuses during 2007/2008. This is the guy they need to go after!

[LotoSteve]

You are a typical extremist full of BS stereotyping.

Maybe they are one of the following.

Someone that used to build cars whose job was sent to Mexico
Someone that used to be in the massive shipbuilding industry in the USA which other than military is non existent.
Someone in the once huge carpet industry that left your country.

Or in any manufacturing industry that is now exampled by the shiploads of goods that come from China to Walmart.
And most recently the thousands of people in the automanufacturing and homebuilding sector.

There are hundreds of reasons why some folks cant afford proper healthcare.

And out of a hundred reasons...typically about 6 of the reasons involve laziness.

And then starts the name calling.

Is there some reason those people cannot change careers?

You can buy catastrophic health insurance for less then $200/month so don't tell me people cannot afford it while they are changing jobs. I know, I paid it while I was between jobs.

[catastrophe]

Not at all. Not one of the attorney/Democrat Senators or Representatives has wanted or been willing to look at the issue of malpractice reform.

Don't get me wrong ... malpractice does exist. My own mother and stepfather both died of blatant malpractice. But the CEO of this health insurance plan/hospital chain responsible for their deaths made in excess of $22 million in salary and bonuses during 2007/2008. This is the guy they need to go after!

Correct

[RedDog382]

does this bill help with people being able to sue dr's like crazy?

The chosen one's education ...?

Law school/Attorney.

The chosen one's wife's education ...?

Law school/Attorney.

She made a lot more as an attorney working for a prominent hospital in Chicago than most ER physicians make.

Why would they call for malpractice reform and put most of their colleagues out of business?

[LaughingCat]

You can buy catastrophic health insurance for less then $200/month so don't tell me people cannot afford it while they are changing jobs. I know, I paid it while I was between jobs.

Assuming, of course, you have no pre-existing conditions.

[Expensive Date]

Market not real happy and China down almost 2%. http://www.cnbc.com/id/17689937

[LotoSteve]

Assuming, of course, you have no pre-existing conditions.

I'm not so sure about that. I have had Ulcerative Colitis since I was 28 and it was never brought up when I bought insurance. However, if your right that is certainly something that needs to be correctly by Congress.

[Tommy Gun]

The chosen one's education ...?

Law school/Attorney.

The chosen one's wife's education ...?

Law school/Attorney.

She made a lot more as an attorney working for a prominent hospital in Chicago than most ER physicians make.

Why would they call for malpractice reform and put most of their colleagues out of business?

EXACTLY..WHY WOULD THEY BOTHER WITH SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE?

The Democrat Party has become the Lawyers’ Party.

Barack Obama is a lawyer.

Michelle Obama is a lawyer.

Hillary Clinton is a lawyer.

Bill Clinton is a lawyer.

John Edwards is a lawyer.

Elizabeth Edwards is a lawyer.

Every Democrat nominee since 1984 went to law school (although Gore did not graduate).

Every Democrat vice presidential nominee since 1976, except for Lloyd Bentsen, went to law school.

Look at leaders of the Democrat Party in Congress:

Harry Reid is a lawyer.

Nancy Pelosi is a lawyer.

The Republican Party is different.

President Bush is a businessman..

Vice President Cheney is a businessman.

The leaders of the Republican Revolution:

Newt Gingrich was a history professor.

Tom Delay was an exterminator. Dick Armey was an economist.

House Minority Leader Boehner was a plastic manufacturer.

The former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is a heart surgeon.

Who was the last Republican president who was a lawyer? Gerald Ford, who left office 31 years ago and who barely won the Republican nomination as a sitting president, running against Ronald Reagan in 1976. The Republican Party is made up of real people doing real work, who are often the targets of lawyers.

The Democrat Party is made up of lawyers. Democrats mock and scorn men who create wealth, like Bush and Cheney, or who heal the sick, like Frist, or who immerse themselves in history, like Gingrich.

The Lawyers’ Party sees these sorts of people, who provide goods and services that people want, as the enemies of America. And, so we have seen the procession of official enemies, in the eyes of the Lawyers’ Party, grow.

Against whom do Hillary and Obama rail? Pharmaceutical companies, oil companies, hospitals, manufacturers, fast food restaurant chains, large retail businesses, bankers, and anyone producing anything of value in our nation.

This is the natural consequence of viewing everything through the eyes of lawyers. Lawyers solve problems by successfully representing their clients, in this case the American people. Lawyers seek to have new laws passed, they seek to win lawsuits, they press appellate courts to overturn precedent, and lawyers always parse language to favor their side.

Confined to the narrow practice of law, that is fine. But it is an awful way to govern a great nation. When politicians as lawyers begin to view some Americans as clients and other Americans as opposing parties, then the role of the legal system in our life becomes all-consuming. Some Americans become “adverse parties” of our very government. We are not all litigants in some vast social class-action suit. We are citizens of a republic that promises us a great deal of freedom from laws, from courts, and from lawyers.

Today, we are drowning in laws; we are contorted by judicial decisions; we are driven to distraction by omnipresent lawyers in all parts of our once private lives. America has a place for laws and lawyers, but that place is modest and reasonable, not vast and unchecked. When the most important decision for our next president is whom he will appoint to the Supreme Court, the role of lawyers and the law in America is too big. When lawyers use criminal prosecution as a continuation of politics by other means, as happened in the lynching of Scooter Libby and Tom Delay, then the power of lawyers in America is too great. When House Democrats sue America in order to hamstring our efforts to learn what our enemies are planning to do to us, then the role of litigation in America has become crushing.

We cannot expect the Lawyers’ Party to provide real change, real reform or real hope in America Most Americans know that a republic in which every major government action must be blessed by nine unelected judges is not what Washington intended in 1789. Most Americans grasp that we cannot fight a war when ACLU lawsuits snap at the heels of our defenders. Most Americans intuit that more lawyers and judges will not restore declining moral values or spark the spirit of enterprise in our economy..

Perhaps Americans will understand that change cannot be brought to our nation by those lawyers who already largely dictate American society and business. Perhaps Americans will see that hope does not come from the mouths of lawyers but from personal dreams nourished by hard work. Perhaps Americans will embrace the truth that more lawyers with more power will only make our problems worse.

The United States has 5% of the world’s population and 66% of the world’s lawyers! Tort (Legal) reform legislation has been introduced in Congress several times in the last several years to limit punitive damages in ridiculous lawsuits such as “spilling hot coffee on yourself and suing the establishment that sold it to you” and also to limit punitive damages in huge medical malpractice lawsuits. This legislation has continually been blocked from even being voted on by the Democrat Party. When you see that 97% of the political contributions from the American Trial Lawyers Association goes to the Democrat Party, then you realize who is responsible for our medical and product costs being so high!

[LaughingCat]

EXACTLY..WHY WOULD THEY BOTHER WITH SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE?

The Democrat Party has become the Lawyers’ Party.

Barack Obama is a lawyer.

Michelle Obama is a lawyer.

Hillary Clinton is a lawyer.

Bill Clinton is a lawyer.

John Edwards is a lawyer.

Elizabeth Edwards is a lawyer.

Every Democrat nominee since 1984 went to law school (although Gore did not graduate).

Every Democrat vice presidential nominee since 1976, except for Lloyd Bentsen, went to law school.

Look at leaders of the Democrat Party in Congress:

Harry Reid is a lawyer.

Nancy Pelosi is a lawyer.

The Republican Party is different.

President Bush is a businessman..

Vice President Cheney is a businessman.

The leaders of the Republican Revolution:

Newt Gingrich was a history professor.

Tom Delay was an exterminator. Dick Armey was an economist.

House Minority Leader Boehner was a plastic manufacturer.

The former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is a heart surgeon.

Who was the last Republican president who was a lawyer? Gerald Ford, who left office 31 years ago and who barely won the Republican nomination as a sitting president, running against Ronald Reagan in 1976. The Republican Party is made up of real people doing real work, who are often the targets of lawyers.

The Democrat Party is made up of lawyers. Democrats mock and scorn men who create wealth, like Bush and Cheney, or who heal the sick, like Frist, or who immerse themselves in history, like Gingrich.

The Lawyers’ Party sees these sorts of people, who provide goods and services that people want, as the enemies of America. And, so we have seen the procession of official enemies, in the eyes of the Lawyers’ Party, grow.

Against whom do Hillary and Obama rail? Pharmaceutical companies, oil companies, hospitals, manufacturers, fast food restaurant chains, large retail businesses, bankers, and anyone producing anything of value in our nation.

This is the natural consequence of viewing everything through the eyes of lawyers. Lawyers solve problems by successfully representing their clients, in this case the American people. Lawyers seek to have new laws passed, they seek to win lawsuits, they press appellate courts to overturn precedent, and lawyers always parse language to favor their side.

Confined to the narrow practice of law, that is fine. But it is an awful way to govern a great nation. When politicians as lawyers begin to view some Americans as clients and other Americans as opposing parties, then the role of the legal system in our life becomes all-consuming. Some Americans become “adverse parties” of our very government. We are not all litigants in some vast social class-action suit. We are citizens of a republic that promises us a great deal of freedom from laws, from courts, and from lawyers.

Today, we are drowning in laws; we are contorted by judicial decisions; we are driven to distraction by omnipresent lawyers in all parts of our once private lives. America has a place for laws and lawyers, but that place is modest and reasonable, not vast and unchecked. When the most important decision for our next president is whom he will appoint to the Supreme Court, the role of lawyers and the law in America is too big. When lawyers use criminal prosecution as a continuation of politics by other means, as happened in the lynching of Scooter Libby and Tom Delay, then the power of lawyers in America is too great. When House Democrats sue America in order to hamstring our efforts to learn what our enemies are planning to do to us, then the role of litigation in America has become crushing.

We cannot expect the Lawyers’ Party to provide real change, real reform or real hope in America Most Americans know that a republic in which every major government action must be blessed by nine unelected judges is not what Washington intended in 1789. Most Americans grasp that we cannot fight a war when ACLU lawsuits snap at the heels of our defenders. Most Americans intuit that more lawyers and judges will not restore declining moral values or spark the spirit of enterprise in our economy..

Perhaps Americans will understand that change cannot be brought to our nation by those lawyers who already largely dictate American society and business. Perhaps Americans will see that hope does not come from the mouths of lawyers but from personal dreams nourished by hard work. Perhaps Americans will embrace the truth that more lawyers with more power will only make our problems worse.

The United States has 5% of the world’s population and 66% of the world’s lawyers! Tort (Legal) reform legislation has been introduced in Congress several times in the last several years to limit punitive damages in ridiculous lawsuits such as “spilling hot coffee on yourself and suing the establishment that sold it to you” and also to limit punitive damages in huge medical malpractice lawsuits. This legislation has continually been blocked from even being voted on by the Democrat Party. When you see that 97% of the political contributions from the American Trial Lawyers Association goes to the Democrat Party, then you realize who is responsible for our medical and product costs being so high!

Wow, you typed all of that yourself?

I'm just playing. Seriously, why would anyone expect they will vote for things Republicans want. They are Democrats and will vote for their interests. No surprise there

[phragle]

"Frankly I'm sick and tired of hearing about all the poor in this country. Most are just lazy."

Nice

I'm not lazy, I am just in the middle of a "restructuring"

You can buy catastrophic health insurance for less then $200/month so don't tell me people cannot afford it while they are changing jobs. I know, I paid it while I was between jobs.

$200 is a LOT of money, when you are making $400~600 a month... with car insurance, food, school supplies, utilities etc..

What would have been nice is say $25~$50 a month health insurance for college students.. The average college student is in good health so the risk vs. cost ratio wouldnt be bad. I do find it ironic that I am in a private nursing school and work in a hospital yet have no access affordable health insurance.

[LotoSteve]

I'm not lazy, I am just in the middle of a "restructuring"



$200 is a LOT of money, when you are making $400~600 a month... with car insurance, food, school supplies, utilities etc..

What would have been nice is say $25~$50 a month health insurance for college students.. The average college student is in good health so the risk vs. cost ratio wouldnt be bad. I do find it ironic that I am in a private nursing school and work in a hospital yet have no access affordable health insurance.

You and catastrophe both know who I'm talking about. The drains on society that have no intentions of ever trying to better themselves or support themselves.

Well said Tommy Gun.

[03darkshadow]

Not at all. Not one of the attorney/Democrat Senators or Representatives has wanted or been willing to look at the issue of malpractice reform.

Don't get me wrong ... malpractice does exist. My own mother and stepfather both died of blatant malpractice. But the CEO of this health insurance plan/hospital chain responsible for their deaths made in excess of $22 million in salary and bonuses during 2007/2008. This is the guy they need to go after!

i know it does exist and those actual cases should be delt with, but the ridiculous lawsuits in general need to stop IMO.

[LotoSteve]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU7-G...layer_embedded

[fund razor]

There are hundreds of reasons why some folks cant afford proper healthcare.

And out of a hundred reasons...typically about 6 of the reasons involve laziness.

Please quote credible source for your statistics so I can go read them. Thanks.

[catastrophe]

You and catastrophe both know who I'm talking about. The drains on society that have no intentions of ever trying to better themselves or support themselves.

Well said Tommy Gun.

Of course I know who you are talking about....the point is you shouldnt be.

There will always be the 5-6% of the populace that cheats or steals or circumvents the rules...on every subject.
My point is you dont stucture your whole health care system just to protect yourself from them to the detriment of others.

Since the inception of retail selling its a known fact there is costs built in to cover shrinkage caused by shoplifting and employee theft...fact of life.

There is a minority of people that mishandle firearms either by using them for criminal activity or selling them to people that shouldnt own them....but you dont ban firearms to everyone.

The banking system has operating costs built in to cover losses from fraud etc. Doesnt mean that since that exists that those that play by the rules shouldnt be allowed to use the banking system.

I think the biggest problem that exists on this whole subject is curing the topics that actually cause inflated operating costs, which include the lawsuits against doctors and the white collar crime of rip offs that are prevelant in all aspects of delivering healthcare.

The bottom feeders are everywhere, and dont misunderstand....I detest them as much as the next guy.

But your country is suffering a phenominon that Canada is suffering.

We are becoming a service economy. While others are making our clothes and ships and cars and TVs and numerous other products we both watch our $30.00 an hour jobs evaporate and get replaced with $ 12.00 an hour retail , MacDonalds, Home Depot, Dunkin Donuts jobs.


If I was to put a spotlight on one topic that effects both our countries for a lot of grief throughout numerous topics ( crime, job losses, social service costs ) its real close.

MEXICO

[fund razor]

I hear that some Canadians bring people to the US if they want to get them health care before they die.

[catastrophe]

I hear that some Canadians bring people to the US if they want to get them health care before they die.

They also bring $$$ supplied by our government.

The advantage the USA has over other countries isnt the day to day care or the quality of your care in total.
It houses the large drug companies and has the use of their funds in clinical trials whereby many diseases are controlled or cured " unofficially".

Stem cell research is one of those topics...thank God.