I can't believe what I'm watching

[LotoSteve]

How long do you think it will be before that almighty one stiffs Bart Stupack and the other 5 democratic hold-outs on the "executive order" to not allow public funds to pay for abortions ...?

Stupack is more like Stupid to give in on this one!

The lying Communist gave them what they needed to save face with their constituents for now and I doubt any of them have a backbone to really care what happens down the road. A guest on FOX earlier today said the executive order cannot supercede what the Congress passes so get ready for your tax dollars to fund abortion.

[LotoSteve]

Since I have less than 50 employees and I think exempt from the requirment to provide health care benefits I have a mind to terminate their coverage when this passes and if they complain tell them to call their favorite Democrat because this is the BS they voted for. All I know is that my taxes are going up and I have to find some way to pay for it.

You are just one of thousands of business owners that will come to the same conclusion and its probably by design. Eventually they will get what they wanted all along. A single government run system. Just think of how many thousands of SEIU jobs that will create. Making a Doctor appointment will be akin to a trip to the DMV only slower.

[Chris]

The upside-


Obama got a trillion-dollar giveaway out of Congress and many months later they still have been unable to disperse the money. Hopefully they'll be this ineffectual in rolling their healthcare package out. Remember "Cash for Clunkers"? These same people are going to attempt to take over 1/6th of our economy. They couldn't pass out a billion on rebates without a meltdown.

The net of this is their own ineptitude, coupled with some court challenges just may slow this down enough that we can get a fresh batch in office and repeal this nonsense.

I almost feel sorry for the Dem candidates at Midterms. Almost.

[jayboat]

29 Democratic Senators and 82 Democratic Representatives voted in favor of the Iraq resolution...that's far more support than the healthcare bill will receive. The Democrats are lying their sorry azzes off to get this bill past...its disgusting.

Yep, there was no lying at all in the runup to the invasion- surely that's why all those folks voted the way they did.

No where near as bad, right? Remind me again why 5,000 Americans are now dead.

[phragle]

If the same govt that believes in $1500 toilet seats, bridges to no whereand back room dealings gets put in charge of healthcare, a few more than 5000 are likely to die....

[fund razor]

Stop thinking foreign war Jay. Start thinking civil.

[jayboat]

yeah, riiiight.

[BUIZILLA]

Stop thinking foreign war Jay. Start thinking civil.

he can't... he's stuck in the past...

[LotoSteve]

40% will be paying 100% of the cost of this program. At some point people will say enough is enough. I think we're close to that now.

[BUIZILLA]

40% will be paying 100% of the cost of this program. At some point people will say enough is enough. I think we're close to that now.

funny you say that, I saw a recent statistic where 41% of US citizens possessing a SS card were working, and 59% weren't...

[jayboat]

he can't... he's stuck in the past...

In case you haven't noticed, we're still over there- 7 years later.

[Donskihp]

It seems everyone is supprised about the turn of politics since Obama was elected. It seemed obvious to me we were going into the crapper with this last election.

[Ted]

In case you haven't noticed, we're still over there- 7 years later.

Yup, another broken campaign promise on the part of your President.

[catastrophe]

29 Democratic Senators and 82 Democratic Representatives voted in favor of the Iraq resolution...that's far more support than the healthcare bill will receive. The Democrats are lying their sorry azzes off to get this bill past...its disgusting.

They voted that way because they believed the garbage info that was given them about conditions there.

The one thing I dont get is the unnatural resistence to being somewhat socialistic.
The USA is the first country to reach out and help others that are in need or are the first nation to go to the aid of others that need military support.
So I dont get the negative attitude for helping your own countrymen that cannot help themselves.

One thing I see that is a positive in all this, is that Joe Public is much more aware and participating in the process of running your country.
That alone will change things in the future.

The part that is enjoyable is the fact this very devisive topic can be discussed on SOS with civility and respect as opposed to the way it cant be discussed on other sites because of the lack of law and order....and mutual respect.

[LaughingCat]

Everyone is so focused on fighting the little battle arguments (cost of plan provisions, Barney Frank is a ***got, Obama is a N----r, Nazi's takig over, Constitutionality), we didn't notice the Dems using a bigger strategy to push this through and completely undermine the Republicans chances in November. People will see the main points, not the cost. People will see no cancelation, insurance pools, no pre-existing conditions.

On the campaign trail, you really think Republicans can fight to put the donut hole back in medicare prescriptions costs, drop coverage for people in their 20s on their parent's plan, reinstall pre-existing conditions, reinstall insurance companiies ability to drop you when you get sick. Let's be realistic. We may not like what the bill has or costs, but it's a political masterpiece for Democratic political longevity. It encopasses alot of Reagan's and Newt's ideas.

If David Frum (he was W.'s economic speech writer) still have any credibility in this crowd, everyone should be much more worried about the future and stop thinking the country will vote R's back into majority power in both the House and Senate.

http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo

[Ted]

They voted that way because they believed the garbage info that was given them about conditions there.

The one thing I dont get is the unnatural resistance to being somewhat socialistic.
The USA is the first country to reach out and help others that are in need or are the first nation to go to the aid of others that need military support.
So I dont get the negative attitude for helping your own countrymen that cannot help themselves.

We have a perfect example of socialist medicine to our north and we don't want it. I mean if your own politicos have to come here for medical care, what does that say? And frankly we have very few, if any, people dying in the streets because of our system, heck, even the woman that Obama tried to use as an example turns out to be eligible for assistance and is not going to lose her home or go without treatment.

[jayboat]

Yup, another broken campaign promise on the part of your President.

Bullsh!t. So your guy lies us into a war and you try and make a negative point about the fact we haven't left yet?

stupid chit, Ted, and you know it- the schedule for the withdrawal is common knowledge.

Your disingenuous crap gets old.

[jayboat]

Everyone is so focused on fighting the little battle arguments (cost of plan provisions, Barney Frank is a ***got, Obama is a N----r, Nazi's takig over, Constitutionality), we didn't notice the Dems using a bigger strategy to push this through and completely undermine the Republicans chances in November. People will see the main points, not the cost. People will see no cancelation, insurance pools, no pre-existing conditions.

On the campaign trail, you really think Republicans can fight to put the donut hole back in medicare prescriptions costs, drop coverage for people in their 20s on their parent's plan, reinstall pre-existing conditions, reinstall insurance companiies ability to drop you when you get sick. Let's be realistic. We may not like what the bill has or costs, but it's a political masterpiece for Democratic political longevity. It encopasses alot of Reagan's and Newt's ideas.

If David Frum (he was W.'s economic speech writer) still have any credibility in this crowd, everyone should be much more worried about the future and stop thinking the country will vote R's back into majority power in both the House and Senate.

http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo

They won't listen. They're too busy with their fingers in their ears, shouting "NO!"

Frum nailed it. The repubs are gonna be in the wasteland for a long, long time.

[LaughingCat]

I thik the much bigger picture going n is not necessarily about the components of this bill, the education bill, jobs bill or anything else. It's about getting, maintaining and extending power. I don't like seeing one party get too much power. We saw how too much power corrupted the Conservatives, now we will see what happens with teh Democrats. Glad I grew my nails out so I could start biting them.

[BUIZILLA]

the schedule for the withdrawal is common knowledge.

why don't you post Oby's ORIGINAL CAMPAIGN SCHEDULE for us there JayBaby...

then we'll all see the current schedule and see who's the BS artist

come on Jay... find them BOTH and post em

I dare ya