You are 100% correct. The only option and it will never make anyone happy is to make the new technology weigh more. If you look at P class you will see some great boats mainly Fountains and Skaters that were made uncompetitive by technology arriving very quickly and unchecked.
If SVL wants to stay somewhat affordable and have a big fleet compromises must be made ASAP.
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06-09-2010 10:01 AM
I’m a little confused by this.
Are the plans to be able to run the current SVL Spec boats as is in a SVL class next year and a separate P1 Class as well? I thought the plan was to run the boats under the P1 banner using the HP/Weight ratio and not have a Spec engine class.
This would change what guys would want to build (why build a different engine combination if you can then only run half the races) or if guys would want to build at all (Personally not a fan of 1 source engines, I don’t mind Spec rules as long as I can build an engine myself to those Specs)…
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06-09-2010 10:13 AM
It is all about the hull why would you think it is not? I fear length more than steps. At 95mph there is not much boat in the water on a 30 footer, and you can't race at 95 in the ocean in a 30 at this hp level. I see a 32s coming out as a potato chip for the flats, and able to span waves much better than a 30. That would also make the current Fountain at a disadvantage also. What killed SV just guessing, growing lengths, staggarers, the #6, than cutdown paperweight boats. I think that is what is being tried to controlled.
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06-09-2010 10:34 AMHere is a nice side shot of a 2009 33...maybe u are right and the other pic is only a single stepp...confuising on these pics.
But u can see,,its not that high on this picture.
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06-09-2010 10:37 AM
IMO, the class should be based on the same original 2000 formula that has kept it alive except that the hull length should be reduced to 30' and new multi-step boats should weigh 5000lbs. If the teams want the class to grow in numbers while maintaining competitive balance between new and old and thus the value of the older boats too, do these things as well:
1. Adopt by majority vote of current SVL teams, the 2003 APBA LLC rules NOW, with the min. weight and max length changes above.
2. Lock the rules in for a minimum of three years.
3. Stay away from power to weight ratio. Without a fail safe tech system it will not work. Why mimic P1 Europe? It got out of control and died in just a couple of years, while the LLC SVL model is still relatively intact and indeed is the impetus for all the good stuff happening now.
4. Secure short written letters from Smitty and JC acknowledging they will allow your class to run their events under your rules.
5. Have fun.
If you do these things you stand a pretty good chance of atttracting new boats and some new sponsors.
Do it this weekend in Sunny Isle and move on.
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06-09-2010 10:55 AM
Those are very valid concerns and you are right about SV, mostly it was the #6 and it's reliabilty, prop selection and gear ratios. I believe the hull will be a moot point if you adopt the P-1 rules, because now the focus is on HP/Lbs and you will need to allow any and all modifications to the hull to compete with an older boat. How are you going to keep out technolgy like a Buzzi? It will be a free for all. Maintaining a 30' max length and Bravo style drive would be very smart of the current SVL fleet. You would also be well served to have a minimum wetted beam.
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06-09-2010 11:04 AM
That's why I said min WETTED beam. No Bats, No Buzzi's
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