I would like to call in a little get to gether, and talk about how we can get the P classes more fair and better for the sports.
Lets hook up in KW and talk about it.
Scott
Ps .: i contacted Rich and he will listen to our BS to make things better for 2010 !!!!!!!!!
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10-15-2009 11:24 AM
How can you make it more fair? You can only do so much with bracket racing, without adding a bazillion more classes.
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10-15-2009 11:36 AMI will disagree some.
The 6 classes in OPA are plenty. I would argue for one less at the top, but that's just based on participation, not anything else.
However, the rules for the bottom classes, and the tech inspections required, need to be standardized for all the orgs, and all the boats in those classes. Currently, the exact same boat would/could be in different classes in all 4 orgs.
For instance, and let's keep it simple, a good performing:
SVL -
Outboard Cat -
SuperCat Light -
Super Vee -
Old F2 -
Old F1 -
would fit into what P classes in the 4 orgs?Getting bad advice is unfortunate, taking bad advice is a Serious matter!!
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10-15-2009 11:42 AM
You tell us what class they SHOULD be in, not what class people race them in....
SVL -90mph
Outboard Cat -100mph
SuperCat Light -120mph
Super Vee -100mph
Old F2 -85mph
Old F1 -80mphRyan Beckley
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10-15-2009 04:01 PM
So where exactly would we fit without a class 1? Our boat is boring under a hundred and this season we only had two light showings, Harrison and St Clair. The rest were better races with three to six boats. Lightning Jacks is re powering this winter to be more competitive, Extractor will be at all the east coast races and Wicked will most likely stay in class one (which is great) and you know we'll be there, cat lite has also been running with us . With no class two should we prop WAY down and run class three
I think the six classes are fine, the biggest hurdle i see is aligning the different orgs to have the same definitions. Bottom line is build a boat to fit the class not a class to fit your boat. If you are going to run in a spec class and cross over to a P class occasionally, choose appropriately. We ran a 30 DW in P2 at 105 because thats how fast that boat went and that was it. Granted we got smoked by the big HP guys much of the time but its a lot more fun chasing someone at your limit then sandbagging, and it really was some fun azz racing.
DD i doubt you will find a simplistic blanket solution like the ones you are proposing. Any problems we ever had in OPA were dealt with within the class by participating members of that class respectively and amicably(sp?). The worst thing you can do is start drastically mismatching boats into a smaller number of classes strictly for the sake of boat count.Last edited by glassdave; 10-15-2009 at 04:49 PM.
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10-15-2009 11:45 AM
Also one thing...
That you have to finish 70% of the race to get a personal result and at least 5 boats at the start.
Iīm willing to have the U.I.M rulebook with me for reference or ideas.Offshore Racing wasnīt designed to be a spectator sport, it's for people or companies with's lots of money to push the envelope of endurance technology and hopefully put a trophy on a mantle. It's man vs the elements, not like boats with like engines running in circles.
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10-15-2009 11:49 AMWhat we are going to try is to bring it down to 3 P- classes,,so we will have more boats in each class !!!
Length rules and so on.
Thats the idea.
Like 80,90,110 MPH
up to >32, >36, >40 feet
80 MPH only single engine boats ??
Something like that,, I KNOW IT WILL NEVER BE FAIR,,but maybe close.
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10-15-2009 11:58 AMIN SBI we really don't have that many boats so why think about what OPA does.
We changed the rules for this year from 82-85 in P-4,,,i had my boat dialed in @ 81.8 max,,,,perfect. then we changed it to get some other teams from opa involved ( request ) i and other teams agreed,,,and how many teams ahowed up ????
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10-15-2009 11:50 AM
Aside from matching break out speeds thru the orgs they are fine IMO.
Scott what could be more fair? Less laps? LOL
Paul , I don't follow. The point of Brackets is to disregard spec origins.
F1 is over . Next evolution is SVL or Class 4
F2 is over. Next evolution is SV or class 4 or Class 3
F1 and F2 were similar speeds before the staggers.
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10-15-2009 11:55 AMJim,,,and all u guys.
THIS IS NOT MY IDEA,,JUST POSTING THIS FOR A COUPLE OF PEOPLE.
I SPOKE TO RICH D. AND HE AGREED TO MAKE A MEATING TO DISCUSS THIS.
Also, realy don't care about same bracket speeds in diffrent org. since nobody is showing up anyways.
We gonna try to fix 1 org. ( SBI ) we can't fix all at once !?
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10-15-2009 12:00 PMYou can try to standardize. I expect all the orgs will be represented there. It is a good start.
I still would like to see a combined of GPS maximum and average lap speed. But, too controversial.
And the spec class in UIM is different yet. They have time penalties I believe for going over, not automatic dq's.Getting bad advice is unfortunate, taking bad advice is a Serious matter!!
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10-15-2009 12:05 PMI somewhat agree,,,thats i we need to get together down there,,,ALL OF US in any P-Class,,,to find a way.
The thing is the speeds right now are kind of in nomans land. 75-85-95....
There are more boats out there right now that actually are in the middle of these numbers then dead on,,,and it has nothing to do with dialing in or sofort,,just right now its kinda stuck.
Lets not discuss this here,,,lets really all come to gether and talk about it in a nice meeting and have some beers.
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10-15-2009 12:09 PMOffshore Racing wasnīt designed to be a spectator sport, it's for people or companies with's lots of money to push the envelope of endurance technology and hopefully put a trophy on a mantle. It's man vs the elements, not like boats with like engines running in circles.
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10-15-2009 11:56 AMI understand that. But, with those spec classes as starters, if they were all of a sudden gone, and only P classes remained, where would they fit? Gives a starting point everyone can agree on maybe. Like you say, F1 and F2 are gone, where do they fit? As the P classes become more and more popular, say what you want, can I take my old supercat light and run it in class 3 with a reprop?
Maybe a better choice of Spec classes to start with?Getting bad advice is unfortunate, taking bad advice is a Serious matter!!
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