Warpath!

[thedonz]

I really love that Isand Racer, do you have any interior shots??

i love the name hahaha

mike

[DAREDEVIL]

LUCY .... please get back soon,,,,,this thread is getting boring !!

[xlr8by]

LUCY .... please get back soon,,,,,this thread is getting boring !!

+1! We need more trivia! What was the cost of a race setup or a pleasure 41' when they were brand new and what would have been the motors/drives?

[DAREDEVIL]

+1! We need more trivia! What was the cost of a race setup or a pleasure 41' when they were brand new and what would have been the motors/drives?

My guess is between 220-260 with 600 HP a side ??????mmhhh

[Chris]

The original '85 pleasure boat with 3's and 600's was $250K.

[xlr8by]

The original '85 pleasure boat with 3's and 600's was $250K.

Thanks Chris,
What speeds was that doing, 65-70mph? Anyone know the first pleasure boat and have pics?

[Chris]

Ran about 70. First one went to Cleveland to Kevin Brown.

[tjscarab]

Did the first 41 pleasure have red hull sides? If it did a friend of mine owned it in the past. This 41 had a race style dash that was modified to put a cabin door in.

[Chris]

It was a beige color with the nickel on the side in the rear

[lucy]

it is good to be back!

[lucy]

Like to know your opinion on light Apaches versus heavy Apaches, what is your preference and why??

[DAREDEVIL]

I like light lay ups in ANY boat,,because u can always add weight to perform better if ness. but u can't make a heavy sled faster due to the weight.
I like it when a boat runs loose, that way i can adjust it to my liking and feel the water.

AND ITS ABOUT TIME U SHOWED UP !!!!!!LOL

[DAREDEVIL]

it is good to be back!

The second and third one are non believers and should get banned from the tribe,,,,,they are not focused. HOUGHW

[SKRAMER]

I like light lay ups in ANY boat,,because u can always add weight to perform better if ness. but u can't make a heavy sled faster due to the weight.
I like it when a boat runs loose, that way i can adjust it to my liking and feel the water.

AND ITS ABOUT TIME U SHOWED UP !!!!!!LOL

I'll second that!!

[warpath]

Light vs heavy all depends on its intended use. The concept that lighter is faster in racing is not a new one. The limiting factor to how light a boat can be built is durability. Apaches claim to fame is that of wave crushers and to do that they needed to be built strong. The factory racing team had all of the money and resources to build their race boats and they built their own boats heavy. It seems to me that most light 41s were mules to carry more weight while not looking heavy or as rabbits or to outrun the other boats in smaller seas and lure them into a faster pace. The winningest Apaches including Predator werent light layups.

[Chris]

There's a reason that there are way more old race boats from the 70's than there are from the 80's. Light layups don't last. And light isn't faster in big water.

The old Apache layup schedule was about 40% useless weight. There was a ton of mat in the schedule, used for bonding between layups. And that stuff is a resin sponge. It made the boats heavier (better ride) but it was necessary to allow subsequent layers of cloth to bind to the previous plys. Modern construction materials and techniques provide for the elimination of those materials. Today you can build light and strong. But you lose the ride.

[DAREDEVIL]

Modern construction materials and techniques provide for the elimination of those materials. Today you can build light and strong. But you lose the ride.

A well placed ballast tank,,will give u that ride in any water.

If u stay on top with a well balanced boat ,,,u don't need to crush waves.

[lucy]

indeed!. look at what happened to this light layup with todays modern construction materials and techniques.

[DAREDEVIL]

indeed!. look at what happened to this light layup with todays modern construction materials and techniques.

That has nothing to do with light layup or modern technoligy,,,,diffrent story.

I WAS THERE,,TRUSST ME.

[Chris]

I'll make this easy.


First boat is heavy layup. Second one is much lighter. Water conditions are almost identical.

In Bobby's own words- "The boat slammed down hard. The forward buoyancy pushed the nose up and I went forward on the sticks, driving the boat out of the hole. In any other boat we'd have gone under".



If your theory were true, you could put a Sterling 1550 in a 24' Fountain and clean up. On this topic, Sir Isaac Newton prevails.