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10-29-2009 01:52 PMOffshore Racing wasn´t designed to be a spectator sport, it's for people or companies with's lots of money to push the envelope of endurance technology and hopefully put a trophy on a mantle. It's man vs the elements, not like boats with like engines running in circles.
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10-29-2009 05:23 PM
If your going to bring a person along in your boat, and you have a canopy you better be aware of the liability. First Who is going to say the the structure integrity of the canopy or glass is going to hold up to your high speed occurance. Did you do structural testing to said conopy? are the people riding along trained to exit properly? without panic? Is your air system properly up to date? Do you maintain it every time you use the vessel? If your are not strapped in, you will get hurt. You cannot access upper lid to open untill water PSI has equalized so you will need to stay put and breathe from a regulatorand mouth peice. You will be hanging from your seat upside down so you need to brace yourself to release harness. If you know where to grab and access or even where to reach for the regulator?. Do you know which way to swim when you get out of the canopy? What if your occupants are unconcience how are you going to keep them breathing and remove them? I have seen professional racers PANIC in the dunker test over and over again. When you go upside down in a boat you dont have your wits about you or have a clue from right or left. So lets put family and freinds into a canopy put them upside down and see if they can really struggle to make it to the surface to breathe again. You all think its easy. Its not at all. Quit this debate and move on.Wait untill the insurance company gets burried on one of these claims or think about the lawsuit you may be involved in when someone dies in your canopy boat.
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10-29-2009 06:14 PM
I was more concerned about the ABOVE avg. power boater, the 100mph plus boats.
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10-29-2009 06:17 PM
Well at least they are not being restrained. Going down with the ship is no fun. Dont make this thread get ugly like the cat insurance thread. You knew when you started this thread it would just fester people up. It just stir up the pot. Being a racer of 18 years I was very aware of the danger of being enclosed and what safety it offered at the same time, and drive teams still had to be present and inspect your vessel to see how to remove you from the canopy.Once a Canopy boat goes over, the clock is ticking, very fast.
Last edited by Tres; 10-29-2009 at 06:28 PM.
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10-29-2009 06:25 PM
Last edited by 2TR; 10-29-2009 at 07:16 PM.
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10-29-2009 06:32 PM
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10-29-2009 08:07 PM
i was in sarasota bay today in a canopy at 109 and glAD it was a canapoy. i wouldn,t even think of it otherwise,
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10-29-2009 09:25 PM
Your right if your well trained and the canopy and structure have undergone stress testing. But for a consumer no! Coffin on the water.Even itf you crashed all by yourself at 150. when the boat crashes your brains are still going 150 untill they bottom out against the inside of your skull, thus leaving you non awake. as the boat sinks with you strapped in, you can figure that one out.If your thrown from a boat wearing a lifeline jacket, you may have a chance. Quit this! Do what you want, but dont drag this out there for everyone else to get this idea in their head.
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10-29-2009 11:22 PM
So you guys tell me...would it be a good idea for a semi-unexperienced driver to run around Daytona motor speedway as fast as he possibly can in a 200 mph nascar that has had the roof cut off turning it into a convertable? with no seatbelts or helmet??
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10-29-2009 11:30 PMAs long as manufacturers build canopy boats and sell them to the pleasure boating public, or people buy ex-raceboats and convert them to pleasure boats, this will remain a perfectly valid debate.
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10-29-2009 11:39 PMBoats are going so fast that no amount of safety equipment makes them safe. Yes even the state of the art equipment hasn't truly been tested at the high speeds boats are going.
Rob mentioned convertible Nascar.. How about racing Stadium Supercross in only shorts, flip flops and goggles. Both are safer than any boat going over 150. IMO
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10-30-2009 07:12 AMTres makes the right points.
Canopy without dunk test knowledge,oxygen,helmet and a helicopter with divers overhead is a coffin.
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10-30-2009 09:15 AM
Once again, Its OK if your a racer. Not a consumer. You forget know that you have been it it for a while the dangers of a consumer in a boat that has a false sense of speed, limited visibility,and distortion. and on a poker run??? Dont forget when the boat goes upside down, it lights out. They cant even see. Lets not forget HOW many racers have been killed in canopy restraint system. Please quit encouraging the use of this for pleasure performance boats. I have had to built closed lid boats for people against my wishes but had my client sign several pages of hold harmless agreements. This is a dangerous topic. Quit.
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10-30-2009 09:22 AM
I don't think anyone should be in a canopy boat without full time air, helmet with air mask. For the same reason that life jackets are designed to hold your head up when you come to the surface, you may be unconscious. How do you reach for a regulator when you are out cold?
Big boats rule!
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10-30-2009 09:47 AMEven the helmets with full time air are not adequately tested. Who's to say it will stay on your face if water hits your face and twists your helmet around? You really need a Hanns devise and even then there are problems that have not been addressed.
Paint Guinea pigs and crash dummys on the boat so unsuspecting soles wont be mislead by the illusion of safety.
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11-02-2009 10:14 AMWatching the NASCAR race at Talladega yesterday and seeing the Ryan Neuman crash made me think about this thread. I know it was a different type crash ( pavement vs. water)and different materials ( steel vs. composite) but it sure took a long time to get him out of that car and they had a lot of people and resources at the scene working to extract him.
Fortunatly he walked away, not sure what the results would have been for a similar time span with a boat in the water.
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