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01-11-2010 10:17 PM
actually, the GM president was smooching with Pelosi, and said there will be a landslide payback.... I guess we'll see...
does Santa's sleigh have a blower ?
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01-11-2010 10:31 PMWarning: There will be no warning shots.
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01-12-2010 11:59 AM
Been a GM man since '79 with well over 30 GM purchases made. And based on all that hands-on experience, I have not owned a GM car since 2001. Toyota has since filled the bill for my cars with 2 sitting in my garage right now. They simply do not go in to to the shop for anything and perform exactly as needed for my wife and son. I'm the last GM hold out in the family with a '06 Denali XL. With the exception of an '88 Calais I owned with the infamous Quad 4 motor, the Denali is hands down the worst GM vehicle I have owned in terms of quality. I can tell you that the odds of it being replaced with another GM product are quite slim. I'm looking to trade it off this weekend so we'll see what I come up with. I've been quite impressed with Ford's current lineup. Much more so than GM's lineup. And as a taxpayer, I like that Ford did not take any of my money to stay in business. That just might earn them my business after all these years.
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01-12-2010 02:07 PMYou guys that think GM/Fiat should've been shut down....how much do you think it would've cost to support all the people that would've been out of work? Don't forget to include all the collateral damage.
Consider the idea that taking care of all these people would've been a much greater example of socialism than trying to keep the business going.
I'd much rather borrow $50Billion @ .25% to have a shot at getting some/most/all of it back, rather than just throwing $50B at people with no chance of ever getting it back.
I like the new Buicks, would drive a Caddy and will continue to drive GM trucks.
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01-12-2010 02:19 PM
I have been a GM buyer for the same period, probably close to sixty vehicles. You will not find an import car or truck on my property, period.
In all those vehicles which we run to 225,000 or 250,000 miles I have only been inside one engine, (lifter noise on a 96 Tahoe). Less than 8 transmission rebuilds and two for rear end work (1 under warranty)
I'm not saying a Toyota couldn't do the same (after all they have done well by copying us and listening to our experts), but I am not spending my money there when I can buy American.Mark
Everybody should believe in something; I believe I'll have another drink.
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01-12-2010 03:01 PM
Personally I am a Ford fan and glad to see them get any good press they can. I also have a lot of former co-workers and friends that are GM employees. Would love to see them and GM do as well as possible, but the last few years I have really soured towards GM trucks, cars, dealers, service, and policies. I have gotten treated poorly by local dealer, and some of the recall driven "fixes" are worse than the problem that they were forced to fix. While I wish all the workers well, I do have to say GM's troubles do not surprise me. Not to say that it doesn't look like the media is just "jumping on a bandwagon" either. It has been a LONG time since I have seen Ford (or any domestic) rated better than an import, but it seems to be what everyone wants to say these days. Going with the flow...
My .02 (from personal experiences)
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01-12-2010 03:02 PM
Competition coupled with incentive is what made this country great. That’s what inspires people to succeed not leveling the playing field, bailouts and government control. That’s a one way ticket to mediocritize and Socialism…
No where in the Constitution or Bill of Rights states the Government was created to provide for us. The Revolutionary War (War of Independence for those who don’t follow history) was fought for fewer reasons than we’re currently facing.
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01-12-2010 03:26 PM
Coming from a UAW family, I used to be the same way (no foreign vehicles on my property). I fault no one who has this philosophy. I also offer no apologies for having two of those damn furrin' cars in my garage. I believe my ratio keeps me in the pro-American lot. My trucks will always be American. My cars will be whatever fancies my wife. And right now she fancies Toyota. I believe I heard her mention Nissan the other day. Oh my!
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01-12-2010 05:17 PM
Is every company that declared bankruptcy out of business? NO. The assets would have been spun off and sold to the highest bidder; someone would have stepped in to buy the compnay or parts of it and restored it to health with a competetive approach; more union concessions or no union workers and built a solid company or companies based on sound business practices. Happens every day. Look whats happening anyway...no Saturn, no Pontiac...this all could have been done without taxpayer money. This is ALL ABOUT POLITICAL PAYBACK TO THE UAW. Geeez, they ended up declaring bankrupcy anyway just to screw certain creditors; borders on criminal if you ask me.
Last edited by Tommy Gun; 01-12-2010 at 05:31 PM.
Warning: There will be no warning shots.
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01-12-2010 07:25 PM
Yeah, because sales of auto mfg's have all gone real well. That capacity would not have been bought or bought for pennies on the dollar. GM would be liquidated, a tiny fraction bought, and more former great US things owned by foreigners. That would be real great for the US (oh, and the lenders all end up completely screwed anyways).
This country's lack of realization that the market is not free, and the competition values their big industry and protects them is pathetic. I'm so ****ing sick of uninformed "Americans" rooting against the home team, while the competition they root for (and site for not needing this help or that) has been propped up by their gov'ts all along.
Go sell a foreign car in Japan, Korea, China and see how that goes as a foreign entity. Yet here we are dumb enough to root for them to win. They get it, we don't. Modern "war" is economic, and we are going down the ****ter. What happens when they decide they no longer want to keep buying our debt in USD, or at all? We have a constant flow out of money, combined with huge debt to everyone. Real power is earned by being a lender, not owing everyone.
So keep rooting for GM to fail to prove some idiotic point of yours, so that you lose your tax investment.
You can't claim " let capitalism decide" for the US when you are competing on a foreign stage that has no concept of a "fair fight". But I guess you guys think all this country needs is bankers and waiters, why make anything or actually create value.
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01-12-2010 09:08 PM
Great post.
I have travelled extensively and cant remember how many times that I have been told that they would love to own a Mustang, Corvette, Camaro even full size pickups etc. But they never would because import duties on foreign made cars, especially American made were prohibitive.Mark
Everybody should believe in something; I believe I'll have another drink.