Lance ,,I like the way you wright ,,,,it is true ,,they are fast ,,they practice,,,I think Richie has done a good job ,,rebuilding the rules to attract the class again,,he also has parity rules in place,,,so all is moot, untill the new season starts,,and yes it,s on his shoulders(Richie) !!
P.S. I get to keep my fingers ,,lolol The SOB poked it with a needle ,,and I DID HURT,,the SOB..
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11-23-2011 12:44 PMIMCO #10- 2009 National Champions
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11-24-2011 09:51 PM
Good news George on the fingers. Thought maybe you were trying to shave a little weight there for extra speed!!!
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11-27-2011 09:58 AMI have a question, maybe this is rumor.
Why would the Fountain not get tech inspected in Key West for Cu In, Compression, Valve Train, etc??????Getting bad advice is unfortunate, taking bad advice is a Serious matter!!
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11-28-2011 08:58 AM???????
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11-28-2011 09:34 AMAgain, just a rumor I heard.
The reason given for not checking the Fountain's CU in was that it was checked a month before at the Nationals. Take it for what it is.
Wil.
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I watched Steve and Gary run the piss out of their boat. IMO, no SVL with the exception of the Fountain has ever run the Key West course faster. They were fast.
They were in another class and still could not catch the Fountain.
Congratulations to Gary and Steve and I hope we can get something put together soon.
Steve, you have the go ahead.
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11-28-2011 06:21 PM
Podium boats should be teched after race, no questions asked. Hatchs should be sealed at the crane, and checked as soon as they hit the pits. If your not willing to be teched, boat should be disqualified.
Bottom line, in a class like Svl the race to watch shouldn't be for fifth place 3/4 of a lap behind the leader, if boats leave the pack so badly then they don't belong in the class. Multiple boats performing exactly the same with tight racing is what makes the class so exciting. Just my two cents.
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11-29-2011 02:09 PMI keep reviewing things and keep coming back to, if the ECM's were stock, a lot of these issues just go away.......
Is there a single type of ECM that can be used for all types of engines? At a reasonable expense?Getting bad advice is unfortunate, taking bad advice is a Serious matter!!
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11-29-2011 02:48 PMPaul,
From what i have been told the ECM that is used in the 525 is the only one that will work with the moator Merc built it that way.
What is your main concern with the ECM's ? I have spoke to a lot of motor builder that have done a lot of dyno testing with ECM's and the higher RPM doesnt always mean HP.Last edited by XtremeRacing; 11-29-2011 at 02:56 PM.
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11-29-2011 03:15 PMI'm not sure that matters. Maybe he is like me, wants to participate, but knows he cannot unless the rules are nailed down and enforced. Most of the racers (Especially Me) cannot afford to spend $40,000 to $50,000 to make a 525 into a 700 and buzz it at 6200+ RPM so it has to be replaced every few races......
That's one of the reasons I was considering a twin engine class comeback, although it sounds odd.Getting bad advice is unfortunate, taking bad advice is a Serious matter!!
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11-29-2011 11:45 PM
You are correct. But I believe, with cam or lifter ratio changes and porting/massaging to the intake and heads, the higher RPM's make huge differences. And, the engines will not live for a couple seasons like they have at the 5450 or 5650 maximum.
With the lower RPM's max, and checking CuIn, and checking Compression, cheating internally does not make much difference. But, the tests by engine builders I've talked with, still expect over 600hp (up to 640) at those lower RPM's by just massaging the internals with a stock ECM. Is any org willing to tear down engines to make sure all the internals are still stock? We've figured out the answer to that.
Right now, there is no way to check without tear down. The question, is how do you write the rules so all aspects can be checked in a half hour of the end of a race, or a half hour prior to a race? That's the challenge I've put up to solve......
And I'm positive it can be solved.Getting bad advice is unfortunate, taking bad advice is a Serious matter!!
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11-30-2011 09:01 AM640 hp with stock ECM and moved timing emitter is possible and has been done below 5500 RPM. If you pull out all the stops and go with a solid lifter or hydraulic lifter acting solid, regrind or change cam remap ECU 700 is attainable. In theory 730 hp could happen around 5800 with legal 9:1 509 CI. If you add size or compression you can move the number north of 750 HP with a 525. It appears the Vortec is on the edge well south of 640 HP.
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11-30-2011 11:21 AMIs there anyway to catch a reground or switched cam without tearing down the engine?????
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11-30-2011 11:44 AMI believe there is a solution. Steve has a real good grasp on a system that will take care of all these variables.
But as George said before, we are in the hands of the ORG.
I am already taking steps to be ready for the system.
Baby steps I guess but I am really excited that the class as a whole wants to move forward.
Wil