CUV made 0 pleasure versions that I know of and the owners of CUV´s, well mostly European Aristocrats so Drama or no Drama, take your pick but all around the tabloids in the day and getting a lot more ink.
And come to think of it the same philosophy that was applied in Apache, CUV and Larry Smith also applied for Lotus,Ferrari and Porsche and in that order regarding the will to please the audience...
How many pleasure versions vs raceboats did LS make which reputation got washed by Wellcraft ?
Guess the total number is less than Apache raceboats?
I´ve always wondered is the Legacy of Apaches just an American thing as seems overseas it doesn´t carry that high, even a Cig or a Magnum is a match.
The Brits especially state that Apache had their asses handed to them against the European competition and back in the day and wasn´t a threat in the toughest of them all, CTC race.
There´s a lot of other interesting stuff among those the audience knows nothing about and especially the Brits and Italians are renown for building only raceboats and caring less about selling on monday as those behind the builds are Load€d with ca£h in other busin€$$€$ and keep a very low profil£ of it.
Im preaty sure that apache was less concerned than the others in making a profit, mainly when you consider the source of the money used and the nature of the companies owner. Also, Ferrari in the times of Enzo was only interested in racing . Porsche and Lotus though remarkable where just a little more into it for the money generated by the sales.
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01-03-2010 04:29 PM
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01-04-2010 10:57 AM
I remember that the pleasure versions were retailing around 200k - 300k and they went up from there depending on options this was in 88 era!!!!!
I used to have the brochures but Thad Allens Apache never returned them before they went belly up!!!!!God forgives.....The 1% doesn't!!!!!!
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01-04-2010 05:24 PM
In 1989 a full race 41 was $400,000.00.
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#6's full stagger with C&G 800's, and the big C 600 dual ram tabs. I don't know if that was with or without the Myco.
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01-05-2010 03:54 AM
Offtopic.
In the Times...really when Colin Chapman was in charge for Lotus and Ferdinand Porsche both companies was in fact more devoted to Racing and extreme in their OWN designs than Ferrari who in the beginning relied on old Alfa Romeos...and lets not go in there... I know the Ferrari and Alfa History more than well.
Today... well all have gone south and Ferrari more than anyone with even selling jogging shoes so I´m glad Apache actually has the story it had and didn´t get watered down like the others.Offshore Racing wasn´t designed to be a spectator sport, it's for people or companies with's lots of money to push the envelope of endurance technology and hopefully put a trophy on a mantle. It's man vs the elements, not like boats with like engines running in circles.
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01-05-2010 04:48 AM
Heavier and most of all Bigger....plus the diesels at the time was Cats... Big Cats.
Buzzis IVECO series springs to mind and some other tin cats I´ve witnessed personally in the med (50ft 4 engine Cougar ,see below ) so seems Don Aronow was right on the money.
He liked heavier boats in the rough and personally I can attest he was right.
Apaches was at the time 41´s, so was CUV´s, but Cougars..46->. La Gran Argentina 55, CESA 1882 53 and so on...
The writing was/is on the wall, not even a Apache 47 will cut it in Cowes for example.
http://fbdesign.it/historic%20boats.php
http://www.islandpulse.co.uk/b2/cowes-torquay-cowes/
Plus Europeans have always liked cutting edge technology, surface drives multiple trannies, high rpm diesels, aero and hydrodynamic aids and other crazy stuff....
because they have had the money to play with and had bigtime racing connections.
http://www.seabreeze.com.au/News/Pow...s_2449214.aspx
So yes the thread is fitting... A Warpath...as that´s just what it was for the native.
Good and proud heritage in it´s own.
Last edited by MikeyFIN; 01-05-2010 at 05:09 AM. Reason: Scanned the Cougar pics
Offshore Racing wasn´t designed to be a spectator sport, it's for people or companies with's lots of money to push the envelope of endurance technology and hopefully put a trophy on a mantle. It's man vs the elements, not like boats with like engines running in circles.
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01-05-2010 05:04 AMOffshore Racing wasn´t designed to be a spectator sport, it's for people or companies with's lots of money to push the envelope of endurance technology and hopefully put a trophy on a mantle. It's man vs the elements, not like boats with like engines running in circles.