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03-24-2010 08:33 PM
A crook is a crook no matter what the crime. If he owed someone money and didn't pay do you think they would be screaming "Free Kramer?" This guy was a smuggler, a champion racer and a thug. Too many are impressed by the smuggling/racing accomplishments but forget about the "thug" aspect. This isn't a guy you would want to hang out with, let your sister date or have as a neighbor.
And not just Ben Kramer.........I think Aronow had a lot of the same qualities, good and bad.
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03-24-2010 08:47 PMI have to admit that this recurring question of Ben Kramer's "innocence" kind of baffles me. He plead no contest, which is quite different from pleading guilty but also quite guilty from pleading innocent. If he gets his sentence reduced or actually gets out on appeal, I'm sure I'll find it interesting. Until then ... not so much.
I've read a big about Sal Magnuta and Willie Falcon. Some of the old Miami Herald articles on them were pretty enlightening. Not people you'd want to hang around, unless you happened to be, like each of them, a criminal.
There were some really scary people in offshore racing during the 1970s and 1980s, which, ironically, were probably the hey-days of the sport.
Want to talk to someone who got to chat with all of them? Check in with T2X.
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03-24-2010 08:49 PMI am just wondering,,,,u all know life is 25+ it does not mean that you are in the FOR LIFE !!!!!!!!!!!!!
And ownwstly,,,I DON'T THINK HE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ARRONOW CASE !!!!!!!!
I just think he was mad at him , but not that mad.
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03-24-2010 08:51 PM
Don't know these guys will read book!I was in Florida in 1972 even then Floridians stayed clear if a certain bad boy boat crew from NY which was that crew!I know he originated from Sheeps head Bay Brooklen,N.Y. most players don't make it past 50 sad but true if he was innocent that whould be some cover up!
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03-24-2010 08:57 PMThe part that must be making him INSANE is dying day by day in that hellhole box thinking about all the money, women, cars, boats, whatever that he had and then realizing he is in the box with nothing.....
You have to wonder if he regrets staying in that game so long or if he dreams of being like so many others that ran hard for a couple years and got out penalty free.......
I had an old girlfriend that had a very rich father despite being unemployed. He had a 800K house paid for and nice cars but years of unemployment. He lived out of a cardboard box full of cash for years (like 20+). The money finally ran out and he slowly sold everything but had aspirations of doing one more job to get back in the money again. He never did, or if he did he never got to fill that cardboard box again. He will occasionally let a detail slide about the good old days now that the statue of limitations has run out.........
Florida is full of guys that ran hard for good money and then parlayed that small fortune into legitimate businesses/investments. Ben might envy these guys for getting the cash and getting out with their freedom.......
In my mind, being a waiter at a beachside restaurant for $500 a week is a better gig than rotting in a box with 100mm in cash buried somewhere!
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03-24-2010 09:22 PM
Aronow aside. Bottom line, he took his shot at getting rich quick and lost and he new the punishment going in.
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03-24-2010 09:49 PMNot really. More of a technicality. We discussed this in depth on here a few months back. If I remember correctly, by Florida law, a nolo plea restricts you from having any access to the appeal process.
On the Fed sentence, why would they want to even consider releasing him?
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03-24-2010 11:35 PM
I made a post a couple of years ago but deleted it after coming to my senses.
I had a neighbor who moved over here in 1987 who was there and according to some men he saw nothing. This man lived next to me for from 1987 until Kramer was in jail. One day he and his family that i may have seen 10 times in 5 years packed up and moved back to the East Coast.
Only conversation i had ever had with him in that time was i take it by your taste in boats you must be famaliar with the name Aronow. He told me a quick story and jumped in the moving truck and headed out.
No Bullchit.
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03-25-2010 01:24 AM
So, does anyone believe that anyone other than Kramer was involved in some way, shape, or form, of the drug trade in the 80's??
I'd be surprised, if not shocked, that most of the performance builders of that era were not involved in some fashion - indirectly, or known.
I think very few are truly "innocent". It was the times, it was the era.
I don't think a lot of guys these days are custom building boats with specified 24x24 deck hatches with no cabin.
The builders knew what they were doing, they were selling boats.
And the buyers knew what they were buying, and what they were buying the boats for.
It was an interesting time. And I miss all the folklore that came along with it.
I don't really condone drugs, and it's something I've never been interested in.
However, I am interested in the boats that were used to haul the stuff."Keep the bottle on the bar Ira, I won't be long".
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03-25-2010 08:00 AM
If you where a builder of Performance boats back in the 70's-80's Someone used one of your boats to haul some weed or Yayo. I know people that have been to Bimini and back at night in a 18' Action, they didn't go there to get some "Clear Bottle Becks", although they did come back with some
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