You are correct and incorrect.
JGR has a manufacturer produce their oil to their specifications. It is called "private manufacturing-labeling". I also have discussed the JGR oils with several professional engine builders and all have said the same thing, JGR designed the contents of which the oil is to be packaged. This after many motors losing valves and springs. Remember those days of 7500 rpm NASCAR motors--------gone. So did the valvetrain reliability when the rpm's increased.
Correct when you write about the benefits of oil analysis. The results that you get back tell you what is going on with your internal components.
Side note: Hope that NASCAR never allows EFI. Why? Look at many race bodies that allow EFI and have RPM limits. Let'um rev baby.
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08-28-2009 06:56 PM
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08-28-2009 07:18 PM
[QUOTE=rotax454;306826]You are correct and incorrect.
JGR has a manufacturer produce their oil to their specifications. It is called "private manufacturing-labeling". QUOTE]
Take a look, its a very diversified company with many years in the additive biz...
http://www.lubrizol.com/
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08-28-2009 10:00 PMI went to the seminar with the Earhart Engineering & Performance group.
total of 4 guys in our group,......plus every other engine builder in town and all the serious Hard Core HP. guy's in 100 mile radius.
Earhart,.........likes to play with the 1,500 hp. Twin Turbo Marine engines
As to the variant,.....I'll have to dig the paper work up. If I can scan it I will, be helpful to all.
Believe it or not they run the engine on the dyno foe 150 miles before the race. They have all the races tracks programmed on the dyno so they can run endurance test. The engine is not rebuilt before the race, and a good engine will get two races plus the dyno run of 150 plus miles.
They are pretty serious and need to be for the sake of not having excuses to there sponsor why the failed.
Other race teams are buying from them now, and encouraged them to go public with the oil.
They didn't go public for the money, they did it so the guys like us can keep our toys running at there best and as long as possible with out failures.
The whole reason they got into this was cause of cam failures.
They finally figured out after several scrapped engines it was cause of improved oil??? Which really means less of the good stuff and more of the additives. Lubrizol is the largest producer in the world of additives etc. and they had to go to them for the original formula prior to the up grade.
Then that lead into more development for what they have now made just for the Joe Gibbs team. Lubrizol offered to help them get the label etc. to actually put it out there instead of just a 55 gal. drum to the race team only.
Thats the short of it for now.
Take Care
Jon
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08-29-2009 10:15 AM
thats great stuff there!!!!! your comparing your 496's to nascar engines?
well i guess you buy Amsoil racing 2 stroke oil for your weedwacker too? hea have at Amsoil needs the money for teagues sponsorship.[/QUOTE]
Acutally, no where did I ever compare my 496ho's to Nascar Motors. No I don't use AMSOIL racing 2 stroke oil in my weedwacker, I use their 100:1 2cycle oil. I bet you're going to tell me that is too lean of a mix ratio right? Not exactly sure what trying to say about Teague, since your sentence is all jumbled, but he seems to be running pretty good for the last two years.
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08-29-2009 11:42 AMHey, guys take it outside.
Lets find out what experience or knowledge out group may have on a potential improvement to our sport.
.32' Fever (Off to Syracuse) and 36"Gladiator; FORD powered
Cause somebody has to!
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08-31-2009 02:15 PM
Hey 07Dominator, aren't you an Amsoil dealer? I'm in Vancouver and I can never find the stuff in stores up here aside from generic auto oil. Who sells it, or do you have to order in bulk?
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09-02-2009 07:40 PM
The builder who built my engines the first time recommend Gibbs. My second builder wants me to use it as well. I have flat tappet cams and Ben told me to run the Gibbs Hot Rod oil. It is a synthed with a bunch of ZDDP in it that i can tell.
BTW $108.00 a case!
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09-03-2009 01:35 PM
I ran the break in oil. I have a case of the syn JGR oil but it was $10-12 a gallon and I change every 8-10 hrs. I hate to use it!
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09-03-2009 03:55 PMI was quoted $14 per quart for the XP6. $13 if you buy in a 55 gallon drum.
I change oil about 8-10 too so I am leaning toward Amsoil motorcycle oil.
.32' Fever (Off to Syracuse) and 36"Gladiator; FORD powered
Cause somebody has to!
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09-03-2009 05:31 PM
My engine builder's choice as well as a few others I have spoken with. 15 hr change intervals and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg with 12 quarts a change.
http://www.bradpennracing.com
Ū Penn Grade 1Ū High Performance Oils contain the higher level of anti-wear (ZDDP
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10-23-2009 12:23 PMForgot to add this back when we had the discussion,..........lots of info here if you take the time to go through the PDF
Thanks
Jon
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10-23-2009 05:49 PM
Good Find..... If you want some more truth, there is an SAE paper that has been published and can be purchased. Try the link below.
http://www.sae.org/technical/papers/2000-01-3553
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10-24-2009 04:31 AM
WTF is SHIDAIWA...maybe the biggest not the BEST.
Oil and Water do mix... I studied petrochemistry at the Uni and worked in a refinery doing JUST THAT!
Itīs called an emulsion and IS A MIX.
And Iīf you ask me in a race engine I have used Mobil 1 and an additive to great succes but that additive was basically synthetic castor oil to raise the film strength and needed as the Mobil1 didnīt cut it alone.
Castrol and Valvoline synthīs did.
I couldīve used also a little drop of Non hypoid Gear lube to get the same result but the best for a race engine with frequent oil changes would be a HD-Diesel oil especially if itīs (turbo)charged...
So Skaterdave knows what heīs talking here.
Well he is a Racer...Last edited by MikeyFIN; 10-24-2009 at 05:10 AM.
Offshore Racing wasnīt designed to be a spectator sport, it's for people or companies with's lots of money to push the envelope of endurance technology and hopefully put a trophy on a mantle. It's man vs the elements, not like boats with like engines running in circles.
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10-24-2009 04:44 AM
thats a Tall generalisation right there.
FYI the Current Mobil1 isnīt good for anything as itīs film strength just breaks down after it has gotten in even remote race use. Iīd never put it in a Marine engine.
Do not ASK how I figured it out...
I had an engine at 12.6 comp running 112 VP...
And Mobil 1 of all truly breaks down even before any old style oil.
Before Mobil1 I had used paraffin based oils with succes (US) then afterwards I got some oil just Bottled in Mobil1 packages that you canīt buy...Last edited by MikeyFIN; 10-24-2009 at 05:10 AM.
Offshore Racing wasnīt designed to be a spectator sport, it's for people or companies with's lots of money to push the envelope of endurance technology and hopefully put a trophy on a mantle. It's man vs the elements, not like boats with like engines running in circles.
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10-24-2009 04:48 AM
Last edited by MikeyFIN; 10-24-2009 at 05:11 AM.
Offshore Racing wasnīt designed to be a spectator sport, it's for people or companies with's lots of money to push the envelope of endurance technology and hopefully put a trophy on a mantle. It's man vs the elements, not like boats with like engines running in circles.