Joe Gibbs Oil

[2112]

OK guys, what does anyone know about this oil. It has a lot of hard core race teams (not marine that I know of) using it.

They claim to have huge ZDDP content and formulate it (ZDDP) based on your operating temps among other things such as RPM, HP big or small block and type of racing. These are not formulated for street use.

Any opinions out there for Marine use?

http://www.joegibbsracingoil.com/

XP 6 is wnat I am looking at due to temperatures formulated for.

Very expensive BTW

[skaterdave]

why whats the temp rating gotta do with your boat. most of the offshore boats or hi-perf boats seem to have trouble making oil and water temp?

[2112]

I run oil thermostats and closed cooling so I never have a low temp problem. I hang @ about 220 but can spike up to 270-280 on long WOT runs. I am making some rigging changes now to improve my Teague Oil Cooler's efficiency now but am still interested in using the best oil for my application.

I have been using V-Twin and am planning to try Amsoil. I was tipped off to the Gibbs products by my cylinder head specialist.
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[skaterdave]

the full synthetics are just too expense. i've run amsoil and torco in a hi compression 355 race motor, both are good and i had no problems. i also used synthetics in our offshore race boat. but when you run a 5 gallon dry sump tank it gets costly. the engine builder i use said that i was wasting my money and he recommends brad penn 20-50 race oil. its less than half of the others. plus i would rather change the oil more often so as to keep an eye on it. using the brad penn i can change the oil twice and still spend less than the asmoil for one change.

plus 280 degrees is ok, over 300 is when problems start!

nothing against gibbs, but i doubt he produces the oil, he's just repackaging some one elses stuff with his name on it, so why pay for bush to drive a toyota and act like an a-hole?

plus the only way to know if there's a benefit is to send your oil out and do an oil analyisis

[2112]

nothing against gibbs, but i doubt he produces the oil, he's just repackaging some one elses stuff with his name on it,

I agree, I heard it is made by "Lubrizol" though I don't know of them.

so why pay for bush to drive a toyota and act like an a-hole?

Damn good point

plus the only way to know if there's a benefit is to send your oil out and do an oil analyisis

And what would I be checking for? contaminants? Breakdown?

I am changing oil every 20 hours (6 gallons per change) and filters every 10. I cut my filters open and scan with a magnet. It is expensive but my engines weren't cheap.
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[J-Bonz]

I agree, I heard it is made by "Lubrizol" though I don't know of them.

Ding ding, Winner winner chicken dinner. You are correct. Lubrizol makes many of the additives that go into varioius off the shelf oils. Althought they are one of the largest additive company out there, you will not find there name on any product. I beleive there biggest competitor is Mobil, which has an additive division.
FYI. They have been working with Joe Gibbs since roughly 1995.....
Jr.

[07DominatorSS]

the full synthetics are just too expense. i've run amsoil and torco in a hi compression 355 race motor, both are good and i had no problems. i also used synthetics in our offshore race boat. but when you run a 5 gallon dry sump tank it gets costly. the engine builder i use said that i was wasting my money and he recommends brad penn 20-50 race oil. its less than half of the others. plus i would rather change the oil more often so as to keep an eye on it. using the brad penn i can change the oil twice and still spend less than the asmoil for one change.

plus 280 degrees is ok, over 300 is when problems start!

nothing against gibbs, but i doubt he produces the oil, he's just repackaging some one elses stuff with his name on it, so why pay for bush to drive a toyota and act like an a-hole?

plus the only way to know if there's a benefit is to send your oil out and do an oil analyisis

"the full synthetics are too expensive".............hmmmmmmm you've probably got a boat that cost $150000 or more, plus truck, maybe some toys, and you're *****ing about a few dollars more, for a far superior product to petroleums? Guys like you make me laugh. As far as I'm concerned, I'm going to put the best product in my boat that I can find, cost doesn't matter. You do make one good point, use oil analysis, that is the only way to know if your oil is good or not. My AMSOIL 20w-50 Racing Oil, with 53 hours from last year, was still good to use, cleaner and stronger than Merc 25w-40 out of the bottle. I still change once a season, however.

[skaterdave]

"the full synthetics are too expensive".............hmmmmmmm you've probably got a boat that cost $150000 or more, plus truck, maybe some toys, and you're *****ing about a few dollars more, for a far superior product to petroleums? Guys like you make me laugh. As far as I'm concerned, I'm going to put the best product in my boat that I can find, cost doesn't matter. You do make one good point, use oil analysis, that is the only way to know if your oil is good or not. My AMSOIL 20w-50 Racing Oil, with 53 hours from last year, was still good to use, cleaner and stronger than Merc 25w-40 out of the bottle. I still change once a season, however.

synthetics are better for various reasons. number one would be that they don't break down as quick as conventional or partial syn's so you can run them longer and there fore the added expense might be worth it.

in high temp situtation such as turbos or extreme high rpm race motors they agian protect longer and don't break down so quickly. but agian if your changing oil every other race than your not getting the benefits. and certain things play havoc on syn's. such as methanol which breaks down synthetics much quicker than a conventational oil. also in a high perf motor you'll get blow-by into the oil no matter what so sometimes its better to change the oil more often and you'd be wasting $$$$.

look at the zinc and phosphate #'s to get a idea the tech difference and i think that most all the main race oils would work.so then it comes down to preference and cost.

also donimatorSS you should also look up water saturation. i just had this discussion with engine builder about how often to change oil if the motor has been siting for awhile. and just like gas oils can absorb water. so food for thought, especially if you leave your boat in the water

[07DominatorSS]

synthetics are better for various reasons. number one would be that they don't break down as quick as conventional or partial syn's so you can run them longer and there fore the added expense might be worth it.

in high temp situtation such as turbos or extreme high rpm race motors they agian protect longer and don't break down so quickly. but agian if your changing oil every other race than your not getting the benefits. and certain things play havoc on syn's. such as methanol which breaks down synthetics much quicker than a conventational oil. also in a high perf motor you'll get blow-by into the oil no matter what so sometimes its better to change the oil more often and you'd be wasting $$$$.

look at the zinc and phosphate #'s to get a idea the tech difference and i think that most all the main race oils would work.so then it comes down to preference and cost.

also donimatorSS you should also look up water saturation. i just had this discussion with engine builder about how often to change oil if the motor has been siting for awhile. and just like gas oils can absorb water. so food for thought, especially if you leave your boat in the water

I would love to see some documentation stating that petroluems won't break down as fast as a synthetic, with the presence of methanol. I've personally seen info from Shidaiwa, one of the largest producers of 2 cycle equipment in the world, stating to only use a high quality synthetic 2 cycle mix, due to ethanol and methanol presence in gasoline nowadays. Synthetics being able to counteract the presence of the alcohol, by adhering to the cylinder walls better, helping to prevent the alcohol from stripping the film of oil on the cylinder walls.

Secondly, who is your engine builder, I would change from him tomorrow. He sounds like a complete idiot! Oil and water don't mix!!! (2nd grade chemistry).

[rotax454]

nothing against gibbs, but i doubt he produces the oil, he's just repackaging some one elses stuff with his name on it, so why pay for bush to drive a toyota and act like an a-hole?

plus the only way to know if there's a benefit is to send your oil out and do an oil analyisis

You are correct and incorrect.
JGR has a manufacturer produce their oil to their specifications. It is called "private manufacturing-labeling". I also have discussed the JGR oils with several professional engine builders and all have said the same thing, JGR designed the contents of which the oil is to be packaged. This after many motors losing valves and springs. Remember those days of 7500 rpm NASCAR motors--------gone. So did the valvetrain reliability when the rpm's increased.

Correct when you write about the benefits of oil analysis. The results that you get back tell you what is going on with your internal components.

Side note: Hope that NASCAR never allows EFI. Why? Look at many race bodies that allow EFI and have RPM limits. Let'um rev baby.

[J-Bonz]

[QUOTE=rotax454;306826]You are correct and incorrect.
JGR has a manufacturer produce their oil to their specifications. It is called "private manufacturing-labeling". QUOTE]

Take a look, its a very diversified company with many years in the additive biz...

http://www.lubrizol.com/

[MikeyFIN]

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Side note: Hope that NASCAR never allows EFI. Why? Look at many race bodies that allow EFI and have RPM limits. Let'um rev baby.

all the FIA race classes allow EFI.... and no RPM limiters in any of them by the rule... so they Rev at up to 19000 rpm in F1 if needed.

Just FYI.

[2112]

OK, We have worked through a few issues here

So anybody know if the Gibbs brand (Lubrizol) stuff lives up to their claims? :bigear:

It is nearly 50% more $ than the two brands I would trust (mobil and amsoil).
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[J-Bonz]

2112.,
Honestly, I know the product & the company but, I will be honest, I dont know how good it would be in a offshore application. I wish I would have found out. We all know that ZDDP is important. But, the base oill is just important.............. Sweet crude, that makes the best base. It comes from the countries that we have guns pointing at........ Anyways, I have some good pics of your boat at the factory in Opa Locka... I should scan them in and post. It was the coolest cig I saw there!!!

[showtime83]

my engine guy recommended that i run joe gibbs oil in my engines.

[cubicinches]

I use Gibbs BR break in oil for break in on all flat tappet engines. Gibbs offers non synthetic products as well... I've run the XP4 (which is the same oil as the BR in a different bottle) non synthetic in many marine applications without any issues.

[cougarman]

OK guys, what does anyone know about this oil. It has a lot of hard core race teams (not marine that I know of) using it.

They claim to have huge ZDDP content and formulate it (ZDDP) based on your operating temps among other things such as RPM, HP big or small block and type of racing. These are not formulated for street use.

Any opinions out there for Marine use?

http://www.joegibbsracingoil.com/

XP 6 is wnat I am looking at due to temperatures formulated for.

Very expensive BTW

We went to a seminar this winter for Joe Gibbs Oil and Lake Speed junior spoke for a few hours. Very impressed,.......Joe Gibb's worked with the oil company for a few years to get the product to there specs. So when you buy Joe Gibbs oile you are getting the same oil as the race cars.

When you buy Mobil 1 it is not the same formula as the race cars.


We are switching to it and will be using there break in oil also.
They spent millions testing oils, break in thery's old school new school.

I will say they did there home work and I left more educated than I ever thought I could be on oil.


Thanks
Jon

[2112]

We went to a seminar this winter for Joe Gibbs Oil and Lake Speed junior spoke for a few hours. Very impressed,.......Joe Gibb's worked with the oil company for a few years to get the product to there specs. So when you buy Joe Gibbs oile you are getting the same oil as the race cars.

When you buy Mobil 1 it is not the same formula as the race cars.


We are switching to it and will be using there break in oil also.
They spent millions testing oils, break in thery's old school new school.

I will say they did there home work and I left more educated than I ever thought I could be on oil.


Thanks
Jon

What is your application and which variant are you planning to use?
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[cougarman]

What is your application and which variant are you planning to use?
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I went to the seminar with the Earhart Engineering & Performance group.
total of 4 guys in our group,......plus every other engine builder in town and all the serious Hard Core HP. guy's in 100 mile radius.

Earhart,.........likes to play with the 1,500 hp. Twin Turbo Marine engines

As to the variant,.....I'll have to dig the paper work up. If I can scan it I will, be helpful to all.

Believe it or not they run the engine on the dyno foe 150 miles before the race. They have all the races tracks programmed on the dyno so they can run endurance test. The engine is not rebuilt before the race, and a good engine will get two races plus the dyno run of 150 plus miles.

They are pretty serious and need to be for the sake of not having excuses to there sponsor why the failed.

Other race teams are buying from them now, and encouraged them to go public with the oil.

They didn't go public for the money, they did it so the guys like us can keep our toys running at there best and as long as possible with out failures.

The whole reason they got into this was cause of cam failures.
They finally figured out after several scrapped engines it was cause of improved oil??? Which really means less of the good stuff and more of the additives. Lubrizol is the largest producer in the world of additives etc. and they had to go to them for the original formula prior to the up grade.

Then that lead into more development for what they have now made just for the Joe Gibbs team. Lubrizol offered to help them get the label etc. to actually put it out there instead of just a 55 gal. drum to the race team only.

Thats the short of it for now.


Take Care
Jon

[ar15meister]

I run Joe Gibbs XP5 Semi Synthetic in my 540 Tunnel Ram motor as per my engine builder's advice.

Dont have the knowledge to comment with some on here but thought I would put that out there.

I pay roughly 14 bucks a liter (CDN $).