Can there still be no argument for profiling?

[macjazzy]

I will freely admit this is a cut and paste from another forum, I apologize in advance for that. But it seemed to make sense to me and was way too much to retype without making a huge amount of typographical errors, especially for a mechanic with busted fingers

I do realize this is an oversimple-ization of a very complex problem, but the main idea is valid I think. We are under attack from one grop of people, admittadly a extreme sect of that group. But it seems to me we need to make it so that the non extremists of this group are so uncomfortable they turn on the extremist members of their group on their own. Otherwise we are fighting a battle we will surely lose.

War is a horrible horrible thing, but the argument has been made thousands of times, if we didn't make the idea of war with us so unpleasant by the homeland people we were at war with, lots more lives would have been lost. I am referring to the nuclear bombing of Japan btw.

When the general population of Japan realized how much they were going to suffer they then pressured the military to end the war. Otherwise that war would have been much longer and bloodier.

In other words I don't think you can win a politically correctly waged war.

Anyway saw this on a AR15 forum I also frequent.

The events depicted below are actual events from past history. There is evidence that they actually happened, Do you remember?

1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:
A. Olga Corbutt
B. Sitting Bull
C. Arnold Schwartzeneger
D. Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1979, the U.S. Embassy in Iran was taken over by:
A. Lost Norwegians
B. Elvis
C. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
D. Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

3. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
A. John Dillinger
B. The King of Sweden
C. The Boy Scouts
D. Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. In 1983, the USMC barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
A. A pizza delivery boy
B. Pee Wee Herman
C. Simon Cowell
D. Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
A. The Smurfs
B. Davy Jones & The Monkees
C. The Little Mermaid
D. Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
A. Captain Kid
B. Charles Lindberg
C. Mother Teresa
D. Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
A. Scooby Doo
B. The Tooth Fairy
C. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
D. Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
A. Meatloaf
B. Grandma Moses
C. Michael Jordan
D. Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1998, the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
A. Tarzan
B. Hillary Clinton (to distract attention from Wild Bill' s women
problems)
C. The World Wrestling Federation
D. Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. On 11 September 2001 four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centres and of the remaining two, onecrashed into the US Pentagon and the other was crashed due to passenger intervention. Thousands of people were killed by:
A. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
B. The Supreme Court of Florida
C. Mr. Bean
D. Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. Since 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
A. Lawrence of Arabia
B. The Lutheran Church
C. The NFL
D. Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
A. Bonny and Clyde
B. Ned Kelly
C. Billy Graham
D. Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

13. In 2002 the Sari Nightclub in Kuta Beach, Bali, was blown up killing 189 young mainly Australian tourists by:
A. The "Bundy" Polar Bear
B. Ho Chi Minh
C. Paul Keating
D. Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

14. In July 2004, three London underground trains and one London bus were suicide bombed by:
A. The Spice girls
B. The Beatles
C. The Four Tops
D. Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Anyone see a pattern?

[Wrinkleface]

I still think Elmer Fudd had alot 2 do w/ it!!!

[MarylandMark]

Just to be devils advocate,

http://www.islam101.com/terror/quizOnTerrorism.htm

[macjazzy]

Just to be devils advocate,

http://www.islam101.com/terror/quizOnTerrorism.htm

I admit my post is easy to argue against ( although I did not write it, I just found it interesting, for the sake of argument on this forum I guess its mine)

Although this obvious rebuttal by the Islamist website is pretty weak if you ask me.

So they were able to come up with 21 acts of terrorism not atributted to Muslims. So what?

The list I posted had 14 that were and there are plenty more. Muslim extremists are clearly the most active and far reaching terrorists in the history of the world.

Their list also started about 100 years before Muslim extremist groups had the technology or organizational skills to exert their will outside thier own little square of desert.

Most of the examples they used are different groups, and most were groups who were fighting against one enemy, not the entire rest of the world.

Their non-admitance that extremists in their midst are the main cause of all this is a huge reason this war will drag on for a long time. And our not putting pressure on the non radical muslims to turn on their extremist brothers is our own fault and probably our downfall in this war.

[MarylandMark]

I admit my post is easy to argue against ( although I did not write it, I just found it interesting, for the sake of argument on this forum I guess its mine)

Not arguing, just tossing out for discussion. Muslim is not a race, it is a religion; and looking are religions, there are many that have been much worse for much longer than the Muslims.

Now on profiling, I'm all for it and think it should be done more often!! If you are part of a group/culture/race/gender/religion that is more prone to do harm to me, my family or fellow Americans; then your in the profile and should be treated accordingly. Sorry- life isn't fair and plan more time for travel (or whatever) I guess. Certain parameters are in a profile or are profiled for a reason; if done correctly, they are accurate. A middle aged white female driving a Prius shouldn't be profiled as a speeder; just doesn't fit. See- done right, it's accurate!

[Wrinkleface]

Now on profiling, I'm all for it and think it should be done more often!! If you are part of a group/culture/race/gender/religion that is more prone to do harm to me, my family or fellow Americans; then your in the profile and should be treated accordingly. Sorry- life isn't fair and plan more time for travel (or whatever) I guess. Certain parameters are in a profile or are profiled for a reason; if done correctly, they are accurate. A middle aged white female driving a Prius shouldn't be profiled as a speeder; just doesn't fit. See- done right, it's accurate!

what about a middle aged mall massage seekers?????

I agree, if the shoe fits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gerritm]

Not arguing, just tossing out for discussion. Muslim is not a race, it is a religion; and looking are religions, there are many that have been much worse for much longer than the Muslims.

Now on profiling, I'm all for it and think it should be done more often!! If you are part of a group/culture/race/gender/religion that is more prone to do harm to me, my family or fellow Americans; then your in the profile and should be treated accordingly. Sorry- life isn't fair and plan more time for travel (or whatever) I guess. Certain parameters are in a profile or are profiled for a reason; if done correctly, they are accurate. A middle aged white female driving a Prius shouldn't be profiled as a speeder; just doesn't fit. See- done right, it's accurate!

I am not a student of history, but what race/religion has been worse than the Muslim religion since the establishment of that religion. Muslims have been trying to force their religion on the world since it was established. Many other religions and races have had their horrific histories, but have evolved and become somewhat modernized or civilized, the Muslims have not and don't want to. They like living in the 14th century.

Profiling is a valid tool. We all do it in our daily lives.

[fund razor]

I am not a student of history, but what race/religion has been worse than the Muslim religion since the establishment of that religion. Muslims have been trying to force their religion on the world since it was established. Many other religions and races have had their horrific histories, but have evolved and become somewhat modernized or civilized, the Muslims have not and don't want to. They like living in the 14th century.

Profiling is a valid tool. We all do it in our daily lives.

I have studied a little history.
I am pretty sure that Christians have killed more people in the name of God than anybody else, Muslims included. (Even giving Muslims credit for 2,998 on 9/11.) And nobody has attempted to force people into a certain religion than Christians either. (All that missionary work?) Therefore, profiling the guy out picketing the abortion clinic every day might be wise also.

[MarylandMark]

Muslims have been trying to force their religion on the world since it was established.

IMHO, they all have.

There is a reason why they say don't talk religion or politics in bars; in both cases people want every one to listen to their point of view but never afford the opposing view the same courtesy. They want to talk and push their point on to the other person but can't shut up for 3 seconds so the other person can talk as well. Just saying in general..

I'm far from the one to get in a religious conversation; I was raised to believe in God and that was that. I went a a few churches and even a few church schools in my younger years. That being said, I'm just leery about grouping every one in to one basket for one simple reason; I don't want them to do that to me. Most of them hate us just as much as we hate them, break the cycle. We cheer Team Qatar when they bring their race boats over, yet if we saw one of "them" walking down the street without a race boat shirt on we'd want to bash their head in. I'm just trying to see what I can do to be a better person, giving everyone a chance is one of those ways.

Anyway- back to profiling. I say use it, it works.

Used car salesmen have a profile as well, most of them that I know would screw their own Mother, but there are many that are great people as well. I didn't create the profile, it just fits for a reason- that's why it's a profile.

Ok, I'm all over the place- profile on!

[LaughingCat]

Dude, #8 answer is definitely A.


I do agree. It makes total sense. People need not fear that every Muslim will be locked up. But if the vast majority of our terrorist problems come from a certain demographic, then focus more on that demographic. Hey, if a vast majority of a business' sales comes from rednecks, should they focus their marketing efforts on NASCAR? (No offense Stecz.)

[fund razor]

Dude, #8 answer is definitely A.

Wrong. Meatloaf bombed at Madison Square Garden. He said World Trade Center.

[LaughingCat]

Wrong. Meatloaf bombed at Madison Square Garden. He said World Trade Center.

Have to give it to you. That was pretty good.

[Expensive Date]

Profiling is an effective law enforcement tool.But as for the Sept 11 hijackers there was so much that was missed about them.

[hotjava66]

it seems to me that if they started checking everyone in that group, the rest of them would get so pissed off and tired of it they would turn in the perps. or maybe not, it might make them hate cops, fbi, us even more

[MarylandMark]

The Oxford English Dictionary gives a similar definition but with a later start point "... the period between youth and old age, about 45 to 60".

Glad I'm almost a decade removed...

[fund razor]

The Oxford English Dictionary gives a similar definition but with a later start point "... the period between youth and old age, about 45 to 60".

Glad I'm almost a decade removed...

Screw age.
What's it say about guys who post that they are in love with a chinese man?

[sledge]

Where exactly do we do the profiling?

We've got a terrorist list...still get bombers on a plane.

Israel uses profiling extensively...they still get bombed now and then.

What do we do with/how do we find, those that are already here....

Nothing will stop them until we get out of the ME.

[LaughingCat]

Profling will not stop everything. But it's a simple way to will help identify likely risks so they can be investigated further.

Recently, Muslims declared an official objection to the body scanning machines. Said it invades their privacy. I say, find a different way to travel. If the primary trouble makers are of Middle Eastern decent, they should all go throught he scanners. If they don't like it, maybe they can make a bigger effort to get their radicalized brethren to stop causing trouble. Then we can back off the profiling. It's pretty simple.

[Awaken]

Let us not forget Fort Hood. That wack job was able to keep his job and was promoted and if you ask me not in spite of his open objection to the US in the Middle East, but I would say because of. His superiors were most likely afraid to reprimand him for fear it would be considered "profiling" or discrimination against his religion or his views.

[Big Time]

I can confidently say that there are people on this board that were “profiled” for the type of boat they had because we all know that if you have a loud fast boat then you must either be running drugs or out to drive as fast as you can around sailboats. Well the Coast Guard/Police/DEP don’t seem to mind about stepping on some toes, why is the gov’t worried about offending a few in order to protect its citizens?