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Welcome to Serious,
Awesome, I can't wait to see and hear the rest of this story.....
New company named Defender Powerboats. Molds were purchased in Georgia and brought back to Florida.
Good luck, and keep us posted.
Very Cool! Please keep posting with progress!
inquiring minds NEED to know
So, what will it have for power? When do you expect the boat to hit the water?
Hello Jetcruzer, Thanks for the interest in the new Defender 21 Scout. Sorry, I can't answer your power option question because the hull and deck are still in the build phase and the U.S. Coast Guard still has to inspect the boat to determine the "max HP" for the boat. Safety and attention to detail will always be my first area of concern when building any Defender Powerboat. (Something thats been hammered into me by the U. S. Air Force)
To date, everything is on schedule and I hope to complete my first Scout sometime in February, before the Miami Boat Show.
Cool, looking forward to seeing it at the show.
Defender , not to be rude but maybe you should seriously think about moving your membership up a notch other then being just Registered , considering ...........................you are claiming to be a new Boat Co , named Defender Powerboats based out of Florida , which is just a suggestion , and something to truely think about !!!!!!!!! Just my 2 cents .
Have you started your layup yet and if so what is your schedule .
I know Bob Saccenti upgraded the original lamination schedule using today's newest composite materials and technology.
We do not know exactly how much the hull and deck will weigh until we pull the first boat. Bob did say the new Scout will be lighter and stronger than the original ones he built.....
http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u.../DSCN20251.jpg http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u.../DSCN20261.jpg
http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u.../DSCN22041.jpg http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u...SCN22061-1.jpg
So Cool!
Well, if Bobby's assisting, the area188 makes a whole lot of good sense now. :)
I like that, kind of like the Area51 of performance boating!!!!!!
:iagree::iagree::iagree:
:USA: Guess you can say that...... Here's a declassified photo of the 21' Scout molds before the layup began.
http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u...and42Chief.jpg
Special thanks for all the positive posts... Production is moving foward as scheduled.
21' Scout deck being vacuum bagged. We are using today's newest composite materials and building technologies.
http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u.../DSCF39691.jpg http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u...ut/DeckVac.jpg
Is it really beneficial to bag the deck??
I understand bagging the hull = strength.
Are you bagging the deck for weight saving?
I'm not being a smartazz, educate me.
Buoy , Yes bagging is beneficial not only for saving weight , adding strength , and giving the part a cleaner & nicer looking layup, along with hopefully eliminating that chance of human error when doing an old school conventional layup .
Artie, I understand the weight/strength aspect.
What do you mean by "cleaner/nicer" layup?
And the "human error" part, are you referring to glass not getting fully saturated with resin?
I've just never really thought of the need for bagging a deck, but then again, I was just a dumb carpenter, not a boat builder:huh:
Thanks for the reply BTW.
Excellent, a modern version of a classic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yge1U8EsCEk
Subscribed!!
Bobby must be real excited to see another one of his designs get back in the thick of things with the newer glass weaves and layup schedules....
I know I am!!!!!:hurray:
All Defender Scouts are built of the highest quality products. We use vacuum bagging for positive saturation and removal of excess resin. The end result of this high tech process is a lighter, stronger and a cleaner uniformed lamination. Furthermore this process "eliminates" voids and air pockets within the structure that could eventually cause "delimitation"... The major composite components in use are: Airex core, Vinylester resin and Multidirectional fiberglass..... And thats all i'm gonna say about that....
Very cool!
I'm enjoying this thread.
Buoy , the bottom line is when ever a part is laminated using the old school ( conventional hand layup ) it has a tendency ) to be somewhat sloppy , resin rich , and once again room for human error do to the lack of poor workmanship (or person / persons ) involved doing the layup ,and like mentioned above Vaccum bagging offers a more controlled state with less room for mistakes or a poorly made part which leaves us with Infusion that is even more controlling right down to the weight everytime which is something we tried for a very short time when i was at Skater going back to just bagging .
To tell you the truth if i find an old Scout that is in need of serious repair ...........it will end up with an I.O. ,with the well being removed , and the reason being is ......................i just don't like Egg - beaters.............Period .
Thanks for the explanation.
Makes sense.
The idea of bagging the deck on a small boat like this seems like overkill. But, how can I say that overkill is a bad thing. I'm not criticizing the build at all. It looks like they are doing all the right things.
I'm not a fan of egg eaters either, but, I've never owned one. Maybe they are ideal depending on how/where you boat.
I just love the sound of a BBC through at least semi dry pipes.
:iagree: Buoy , i also like to hear the sound of a BBC ( noise) coming out the back thru the exhaust tip's .
Bob Saccenti keeps a watchful eye on the construction techniques used to build the new 21' Scout.
http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u.../DSCN22991.jpg
This is such a cool thread. Thanks for the pictures. Keep them coming! It seems that there is also some interest in I/O versions. Do you have any plans or provisions for I/O, if someone wanted one?
OK...
I have vitually none or even less knowledge on how to lay up a boat, but after seeing this and a few other threads showing stuff, I gotta couple questions...???
First, I know that it really really minor, but if the purpose of bagging and drawing the resin through is nice, even, consistent, saturation; wouldn't there be a better method than using the plastic shething? Wrinkles, folds and anything like that will leave a thicker spot, right?
Would final product thickness just pretty much be dependant on the fabric and mat now?
If perfection was the end goal...or if you wanted to be even more critical anyways...wouldn't an interior and exterior "mold" be best to help keep shape as desired. End up with a process close to injection molding except the gel and mat are in there prior to adding the inside shell. Kinda like the super detailed schematic attached:)
I realize that bagging must be a huge advancement beyond traditional hand applications, but .... ???
THANKS:)
Sorry to side track (if not hi jack) the cool thread about the Scout, it's process, and advancments!!!
That is true, an IO version would also be cool. But, this is something I never thought I'd see built new again.
A new Apache Scout, with today's outboard power, and today's new lamination materials and processes.......
I can only sit around and drool waiting for the results. Does a 350 Merc make anyone else wonder?????