Obama and Harry Truman

[gerritm]

Maybe aObama could take some lessons from a real President. Nah! Never happen!:ack2::sifone:


Harry Truman was a different kind of President. He probably made as many important decisions regarding our nation's history as any of the other 42 Presidents. However, a measure of his greatness may rest on what he did after he left the White House.

The only asset he had when he died was the house he lived in, which was in Independence Missouri . His wife had inherited the house from her mother and other than their years in the White House, they lived their entire lives there.

When he retired from office in 1952, his income was a U.S. Army pension reported to have been $13,507.72 a year. Congress, noting that he was paying for his stamps and personally licking them, granted him an "allowance" and, later, a retroactive pension of $25,000 per year.

After President Eisenhower was inaugurated, Harry and Bess drove home to Missouri by themselves. There were no Secret Service following them.

When offered corporate positions at large salaries, he declined, stating, "You don't want me. You want the office of the President, and that doesn't belong to me. It belongs to the American people and it's not for sale."

Even later, on May 6, 1971, when Congress was preparing to award him the Medal of Honor on his 87th birthday, he refused to accept it, writing, "I don't consider that I have done anything which should be the reason for any award, Congressional or otherwise."

As president, he paid for all of his own travel expenses and food.

Modern politicians have found a new level of success in cashing in on the Presidency, resulting in untold wealth. Today, many in Congress also have found a way to become quite wealthy while enjoying the fruits of their offices. Political offices are now for sale.


Good old Harry Truman was correct when he observed, "My choices in life were either to be a piano player in a whore house or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference!

I say dig him up and clone him!!:USA::USA::USA:

[clayinaustin]

Snopes says, "close" :D

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/truman/truman.asp (http://www.snopes.com/quotes/truman/truman.asp)

[jayboat]

Lots of things were different back then. Looking back, Harry sure seems to be the right guy at the right time.

I wonder if history will look back and say similar things about this president.

Just how is our economy doing right now? Stock market is up 20%. Don't hear too much from the right about that. We're not teetering on the brink of a depression any more. Maybe the stimulus just might be working. hmmmm?

I know- there's still plenty of bad news, high unemployment and a deficit over the moon. But how are things NOW compared to when dumbya left office seven months ago? Doesn't seem to be a lot of credit being given for the things that are going right.

Wonder why the mainstream media doesnt report that view?

or why people don't forward/post emails of that nature?

Guess it's easier to just not think past your nose.
(nothing personal there- just a slam in general at the way the masses think)

[Ratickle]

Actually, there is plenty of reasons to call this the Obama recession. I'll just use his own numbers though. With links to his own reports and findings.

The report is in the link, read it. His report, his findings, his reasoning, substantiated by the CBO........

http://otrans.3cdn.net/45593e8ecbd339d074_l3m6bt1te.pdf

The graph is on page four.....

The graph has the actual figures as maroon dots, in his own documentation, the recession is Much Worse than if his plan hadn't been implemented. Worse than if Nothing At All had been done.....

He may be able to hide the truth behind some of his media friends and by strong arming congress and the Senate. But, one of these days others are gonna do some research and figure out....The Real World Capitalism in the US works if they would only keep the theives, cheats, and government out of it.

Did you notice, by the way, we couldn't sell any of our US bonds a few weeks ago and an "investment company" purchased them. And shortly thereafter another branch of the government purchased them back???????

ANyway, review the truth.....

[Ratickle]

At least the people are starting to understand......

[Expensive Date]

[QUOTE=jayboat;304536] Stock market is up 20%. Don't hear too much from the right about that.


We will see for how long that holds...I went to 60% cash today the rest of the week will tell if I was right.

[jayboat]

The Real World Capitalism in the US works if they would only keep the theives, cheats, and government out of it.


This is not a new concept, and to my knowledge, one that has yet to be implemented in any administration.

[Ratickle]

This is not a new concept, and to my knowledge, one that has yet to be implemented in any administration.

I will 100% agree with that one......

At least for recent administrations. It's what got us here, and is what will continue to cause our demise.:(

[Offshoredrillin]

Lots of things were different back then. Looking back, Harry sure seems to be the right guy at the right time.

I wonder if history will look back and say similar things about this president.

Just how is our economy doing right now? Stock market is up 20%. Don't hear too much from the right about that. We're not teetering on the brink of a depression any more. Maybe the stimulus just might be working. hmmmm?

I know- there's still plenty of bad news, high unemployment and a deficit over the moon. But how are things NOW compared to when dumbya left office seven months ago? Doesn't seem to be a lot of credit being given for the things that are going right.

Wonder why the mainstream media doesnt report that view?

or why people don't forward/post emails of that nature?

Guess it's easier to just not think past your nose.
(nothing personal there- just a slam in general at the way the masses think)

Correct, but only partly, the stock market is only up 20% because it was at its lowest drop in history, the uber rich and people that werent mortgaged to the hilt, are buying solid company stocks at pennies on the dollar. good stock market players make money when stocks go down also.

When you compare him to GW, realistically we are in worse shape, Iraq is getting worse, because of premature troop withdrawal, Afghanistan, is a cluster f and N korea and Iran are laughing at the current administration.

We now have the highest national dept 11 trillion dollars, by the governemt interveining in business with our money, such as the auto industry and subsidizing things like cash for clunkers, the only thing that did was finance short term pay out with long term payment/debt. please dont think that for one second these programs are not meant to generate tax revenue. unemployment is at an all time high because turbo tax tim geitner is taxing business to pay for all of it and employees are being let go because of it.

Banks that were gov funded now are paying out billions in bonuses, while joe public cant get a loan. I'm all for tighter constraints on credit, but this is crazy. the end of the year will show the second shoe dropping is my prediction, the commercial side of the credit crunch, look for major stores to go away as well as rates resetting higher on arms so banks can recoup and try to get out from under the gov thumb, but now once they are in, the damage is done.

oh and Tony hawk skated through the white house, times have changed, traditions shouldnt.

[jayboat]

When you compare him to GW, realistically we are in worse shape, Iraq is getting worse, because of premature troop withdrawal, Afghanistan, is a cluster f and N korea and Iran are laughing at the current administration.


We are where we are in large part because of gw. :ack2::ack2::ack2::ack2::ack2:

Correct me if I am wrong, but who started those wars you mention? Don't you think they have made a significant contribution to the current state of things?

I hardly think that NK and Iran are laughing. Iran is having some serious social issues that may completely change the ruling theocracy of that country through no efforts on our part. As far as NK, it would be nice if we could get back to the place we were at BEFORE cowboy diplomacy set us back twenty years with them.

[gerritm]

Lots of things were different back then. Looking back, Harry sure seems to be the right guy at the right time.

I wonder if history will look back and say similar things about this president.

Just how is our economy doing right now? Stock market is up 20%. Don't hear too much from the right about that. We're not teetering on the brink of a depression any more. Maybe the stimulus just might be working. hmmmm?

I know- there's still plenty of bad news, high unemployment and a deficit over the moon. But how are things NOW compared to when dumbya left office seven months ago? Doesn't seem to be a lot of credit being given for the things that are going right.

Wonder why the mainstream media doesnt report that view?

or why people don't forward/post emails of that nature?

Guess it's easier to just not think past your nose.
(nothing personal there- just a slam in general at the way the masses think)

Well let's see. When George left office, my wife had a great job, my company had just set a sales and profit record, my job was stable and setting sales and profit records, my 401K was 30% better, my son's job was working overtime, and I was looking to put 700's and #6's in my boat, need I go on.:confused:

[Ted]

We are where we are in large part because of gw. :ack2::ack2::ack2::ack2::ack2:

Correct me if I am wrong, but who started those wars you mention? Don't you think they have made a significant contribution to the current state of things?

I hardly think that NK and Iran are laughing. Iran is having some serious social issues that may completely change the ruling theocracy of that country through no efforts on our part. As far as NK, it would be nice if we could get back to the place we were at BEFORE cowboy diplomacy set us back twenty years with them.

Prediction 2 for the morning: 3 days before Obama leaves office (likely 2013 or sooner) Jay will still be saying everything is GWB's fault.

[Tommy Gun]

Lots of things were different back then. Looking back, Harry sure seems to be the right guy at the right time.

I wonder if history will look back and say similar things about this president.

Just how is our economy doing right now? Stock market is up 20%. Don't hear too much from the right about that. We're not teetering on the brink of a depression any more. Maybe the stimulus just might be working. hmmmm?

I know- there's still plenty of bad news, high unemployment and a deficit over the moon. But how are things NOW compared to when dumbya left office seven months ago? Doesn't seem to be a lot of credit being given for the things that are going right.

Wonder why the mainstream media doesnt report that view?

or why people don't forward/post emails of that nature?

Guess it's easier to just not think past your nose.
(nothing personal there- just a slam in general at the way the masses think)


Well lets see...

The handling of the auto bailout is nothing more than the biggest redistribution of wealth to ever occur in this country and borders on criminal. All Obama did was succeed in paying off the UAW at the cost of the bondholders and is now subsidizing them thru cash for clunkers.

The defecit, which was a campaign point for Obama, has now been tripled under Obama. Much of it handout and entitlement spending...war or no war if you want to blame Bush for the defecit why then go out and triple it? Well of course the Dems say it was necessary to stave off a depression...are the banks not paying back the tarp money? The rest is all on Obama.

Now healthcare...more entitlement spending. Now is not the time. At some point the goverment has to balance the budget. That will NEVER happen as long as Obama is in office. He is not governing from the middle; he clearly has a socailist agenda.

While it appears that some of the stimulus money has helped, it is not nearly as effective as it could have been. Shovel ready projects my ass; much of it is nothing more than handouts...pell grants; title 9, etc.

Helicopter Ben was appointed by the Bush administration. Many say the Fed could have unwound the housing bubble long ago. Is Bush solely at fault for supporting the liberal housing agenda? History proves the Dems played a significant if not leading role in that, including stumping the attempted reform of Fannie and Freddie. Now Obama endorses Ben...its Obamas economy now.

I wonder what the mainstream media will say when the market double dips and the S&P goes to 500. Are you prepared for the living "L" to come? I feel really sorry for my kids right now; what a mess they'll inherit.

[MattBMiller]

At least the people are starting to understand......

Unfortunately there's another 3 years until they can choose again....:ack2:

[Offshoredrillin]

We are where we are in large part because of gw. :ack2::ack2::ack2::ack2::ack2:

Correct me if I am wrong, but who started those wars you mention? Don't you think they have made a significant contribution to the current state of things?

I hardly think that NK and Iran are laughing. Iran is having some serious social issues that may completely change the ruling theocracy of that country through no efforts on our part. As far as NK, it would be nice if we could get back to the place we were at BEFORE cowboy diplomacy set us back twenty years with them.

I totally agree Jay, we know who and why they were started, but to do the things that admin has done is criminal. Regardless of whether someone agree we should have been in iraq, the US has and still has a military presence in every country that we have liberated or defeated in any war. To foolishly pull out and use the anti war sentiment has created more problems for the military. the current admin made promises to get elected that have no chance of being kept. look at gimo, nobody wants them, yet he has the nerve to criticize Scotland of releasing the dying Pan Am bomber???

as for cowboy diplomacy, the only reason we got along with NK, is because Clinton suspended the trade embargo and the US got flooded with cheap crap, factory's closed up and we became dependent on Korean and Chinese junk. we were sold out.

Iran is in a tailspin socialy, sure, but that is taking the heat off them in the world view of them proliferating nuclear weapons. Remeber in a few short months, Obama will be looking for wmd's in Iran ;)..bet on it.

[BBB725]

New bumper sticker

[jayboat]

Prediction 2 for the morning: 3 days before Obama leaves office (likely 2013 or sooner) Jay will still be saying everything is GWB's fault.

Here's a prediction: Regardless of evidence to the contrary, wingnuts will never believe dumbya ever did ANYTHING wrong.

[Ratickle]

Here's a prediction: Regardless of evidence to the contrary, wingnuts will never believe dumbya ever did ANYTHING wrong.

Thank God we have no wingnuts here........:sifone:

I have heard more than one person blame all his errors on Cheney being in charge though......

[Ted]

Here's a prediction: Regardless of evidence to the contrary, wingnuts will never believe dumbya ever did ANYTHING wrong.

Oh, I could go on and on about what he did wrong. And that is what lost the presidency to a totally unqualified, radical socialist, community organizer. Luckily for all involved said organizer is making enough mistakes that he will shift the power back, then it is up to the Pubbies to lead, and not try and be "Dem Lite".

[Ratickle]

Oh, I could go on and on about what he did wrong. And that is what lost the presidency to a totally unqualified, radical socialist, community organizer. Luckily for all involved said organizer is making enough mistakes that he will shift the power back, then it is up to the Pubbies to lead, and not try and be "Dem Lite".

I really am for the "Start Completely Over" try. If I made a list of "Good", "Smart", people who hold national office now because they put the citizens and the nation first. (And prove it by the way they vote and conduct themselves). It would be very short.

[Ted]

Yeah, but can you really blame anyone with any moral fiber or intelligence for not wanting to associate themselves with that mess of idiots we have elected to office, on both sides. You almost have to have a pathological need for power and aggrandizement to whore yourself enough to get elected to national office, there are few good ones left.

[Tommy Gun]

Oh, I could go on and on about what he did wrong. And that is what lost the presidency to a totally unqualified, radical socialist, community organizer. Luckily for all involved said organizer is making enough mistakes that he will shift the power back, then it is up to the Pubbies to lead, and not try and be "Dem Lite".

Well said. The Republicans under Bush spent like drunken sailors. Problem is Obama is spending MORE! This defecit spending BS has got to stop.

[Ratickle]

The Republicans under Bush spent like drunken sailors.

Drunken sailers with somebody elses credit cards with no limits......:boxing_smiley:

[Ratickle]

Obama is spending MORE! This defecit spending BS has got to stop.

He's spending like he stole the drunken sailors borrowed credit cards with no limits...


Oh wait, he did......:boxing_smiley:

[jayboat]

He's spending like he stole the drunken sailors borrowed credit cards with no limits...


Oh wait, he did......:boxing_smiley:

Try not to make it sound like it's ALL bad news, mmm'kay?
At least he invested some of it wisely. :sifone:

A little food for thought over at free exchange: (http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2009/08/america_savvy_investor.cfm)

The government essentially bet that markets were beset by panic, and that once fear subsided banks would find themselves in better conditions and healthy enough to earn their way out of insolvency. At this point, even AIG is telling the government it will eventually be able to repay its assistance. This doesn't mean that the government couldn't have crafted a better solution to the crisis, but it does suggest that those bemoaning the high cost of the bail-out and basing their estimates on worst case scenarios involving no repayments were way, way off base. :willy_nilly:

[03darkshadow]

i just need the redistribution of wealth to stop. i work hard and get up early every day to make money only for the gov't to give it to someone who doesnt feel like working. those same people are allowed to vote to where my money goes. darn... :(

[Ratickle]

Try not to make it sound like it's ALL bad news, mmm'kay?
At least he invested some of it wisely. :sifone:

A little food for thought over at free exchange: (http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2009/08/america_savvy_investor.cfm)

The government essentially bet that markets were beset by panic, and that once fear subsided banks would find themselves in better conditions and healthy enough to earn their way out of insolvency. At this point, even AIG is telling the government it will eventually be able to repay its assistance. This doesn't mean that the government couldn't have crafted a better solution to the crisis, but it does suggest that those bemoaning the high cost of the bail-out and basing their estimates on worst case scenarios involving no repayments were way, way off base. :willy_nilly:

Most of the commenters have it correct. The AIG money was given to the others who paid their's off with other bailout money. There is no "profit", only money shuffling from one entity to another. So the government traded billions for stock, the stock went up because of the influx of billions, now on paper they are making 20% "profit". Which one of the business schools taught that was "Profit"? It's nothing until they put the shares up for sale, and sell them at a profit. ALl of Goldmans profits came from the money the government paid them to manage AIG's money....

Ack!!!!!!!

[Ratickle]

Next we'll hear how wonderful the Cash for Clunkers was. Even though the expense of processing the paperwork to date has been over $50,000,000 and they are afraid they will go over the $200 Million they cut it off short at to stay within budget. And over 60% of the money went to foreign corporations.

[sellsman11]

You should be ashamed of yourself to mention Obama and Harry in the same thread!!!!:ack2:

[jayboat]

Most of the commenters have it correct. The AIG money was given to the others who paid their's off with other bailout money. There is no "profit", only money shuffling from one entity to another. So the government traded billions for stock, the stock went up because of the influx of billions, now on paper they are making 20% "profit". Which one of the business schools taught that was "Profit"? It's nothing until they put the shares up for sale, and sell them at a profit. ALl of Goldmans profits came from the money the government paid them to manage AIG's money....

Ack!!!!!!!

Ack!!!, indeed.

I hope you are wrong, but I know better because it's you. I suppose you want me to thank you for setting me straight. :) :willy_nilly:

[sellsman11]

:biggrinjester:I suppose you want me to thank you for setting me straight. :) :willy_nilly:



Wish I had the time to finish the job.:sifone::biggrinjester:

[jayboat]

Wish I had the time to finish the job.:sifone::biggrinjester:

Judging by your daily post count, time seems to be one thing you have in abundance. :sifone:

[jayboat]

The Onion seems to have it figured out. (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/nations_unemployment_outlook)

Nation's Unemployment Outlook Improves Drastically After Fifth Beer

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Nations-unemployment-chart-R.jpg

[Ratickle]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Now that's funny........