22' Velocity vs. 21' Apachee

[jaxrunner]

21' apachee (250 Mercury) vs. 22' velocity (300 Johnson). They are both about the same price and shape. Which would you buy?:driving:

[Ratickle]

Apache for resale. More of a cult following.

Apache for rough water handling.

Velocity for flat/up to 2's overall speed.

Are the cabins similar? I've never been in a 21 Apache.....

[Geronimo36]

Both boats have a padded keel but I believe the Apache will be a better riding boat. The Velocity has higher freeboard and a cabin while the Apache not really.

I've been on the 22' Velocity with an I/O and the ride was less than desirable in my opinion. Same guy owned an Apache with an O/B before that and said it handled better and misses it.

Speed maybe an edge to the Velocity.

[cowisl]

We have a 22 velocity ob. The apache will be a better riding boat boat the velocity will be a touch faster

[jaxrunner]

We mostly boat in the river here and once a year in Destin. The ride is important but i don't want to lose 10 mph for that. In the past we used the cabin for storage so that's not important. The last boat i had was a 25' Baja outlaw 502 and felt the boat had a lot of wasted space. I/O was cool to hear but a pain to work on. I felt that ride was more than adequate. I am not sure if the Velocity is a Kevlar hull or not. It's an 86 "regal" and I heard a few were built then. I heard the Apache is built like a tank....

[Ratickle]

In 86 didn't they make the Throughbred (sp?) and the Velocity both at Regal?

[Geronimo36]

The Apache is built nicely and it has a good bottom which gives it some speed! The bottom design was xerox'ed, then modified from another Linder/Luhrs design.

The older "Regal" Velocity's didn't have the best build quality in my opinion.

I'd test run both of them if you can, that way you know which one you like better.

[Bill N]

Both boats have a padded keel but I believe the Apache will be a better riding boat. The Velocity has higher freeboard and a cabin while the Apache not really.

I've been on the 22' Velocity with an I/O and the ride was less than desirable in my opinion. Same guy owned an Apache with an O/B before that and said it handled better and misses it.

Speed maybe an edge to the Velocity.

The Velocity was a 24 but in the water in our area the Apache rode much better. I wish I never sold it, with a 225 Merc it did 68 & never broke. But drive both & you will see. The Velocity will be faster though.

[Davidmnc]

What do you think the speed difference will be?

[Bill N]

THe Apache will run 70-71. I would think the Velocity would be closer to 80 but the V8 Johnson is much heavier so I'm not sure at least they are both quality boats I don't think either one would be a bad choice.

[jaxrunner]

What do you think the speed difference will be?

I was told the Velocity does 80 & the Apache does 65. Not sure since i have not driven the boats...

[jaxrunner]

THe Apache will run 70-71. I would think the Velocity would be closer to 80 but the V8 Johnson is much heavier so I'm not sure at least they are both quality boats I don't think either one would be a bad choice.

I was told the Johnson was a gas hog.

[Phantom1]

From the Velocity website....

In 1986, Steve leased the Velocity name and the 22 and 30- foot molds to Regal Marine; and they were built as Regal Velocity models. A year later Steve closed his plant in Pompano and moved his family north to Orlando so he could work for Regal. He was disappointed with the way Regal used the Velocity name and the quality of the boats produced. He felt they did not live up to the reputation Steve had worked so hard to build for the Velocity name.

In 1989, Steve started Thoroughbred Powerboats, which consisted of 3 models: 26- foot Summer Squall, 35- foot Majestic Prince, and 41- foot Bold Ruler; it was Kim’s idea to name the boats after legendary thoroughbred horses. Four years later, Steve regained control of what he started years ago- Velocity.

I had a 1991 26' Thoroughbred and loved it.

[Phantom1]

Here is a 1986 22' Regal Velocity for sale - the seller claims that it will do 105 mph.

http://www.boatline.com/boatdetail3868.htm

[Geronimo36]

I was told the Velocity does 80 & the Apache does 65. Not sure since i have not driven the boats...

Years ago we put a new powerhead on a Regal Velocity for a customer and it was the Johnson but I don't remember it doing 80 mph. Very big/heavy engine. Of course we had no GPS etc. but it sure didn't feel like 80.

Now that Billy mentions his was 24', I remember the Regal we worked on had a lower freeboard and I don't remember it having a cabin.

Sorry for my memory, this was late 1990's.

[Bill N]

I was told the Velocity does 80 & the Apache does 65. Not sure since i have not driven the boats...

I guess the Apache doesn't have a jackplate I think it was fastest with a chopper but i think with a 250 it waould be closer to 70-71 set up correctly. I know Bobby said they made a few different versions mine had the well for the outboard

[jaxrunner]

I guess the Apache doesn't have a jackplate I think it was fastest with a chopper but i think with a 250 it waould be closer to 70-71 set up correctly. I know Bobby said they made a few different versions mine had the well for the outboard

No jack plate and does have to outboard well as well.

[Davidmnc]

Here is a 1986 22' Regal Velocity for sale - the seller claims that it will do 105 mph.

http://www.boatline.com/boatdetail3868.htm

Owner = 35145

[jaxrunner]

Owner = 35145

I have no reason to go that fast in a 22' boat.....Been there done that and I don't think I will do it again.

[Ratickle]

Here is a 1986 22' Regal Velocity for sale - the seller claims that it will do 105 mph.

http://www.boatline.com/boatdetail3868.htm

My guess is it will if it truly has a 1000HP smallblock. I've seen them up there in the 24's with that hp in a big block.

[Davidmnc]

My guess is it will if it truly has a 1000HP smallblock. I've seen them up there in the 24's with that hp in a big block.

If it is really a 1000hp small block, how many hrs is it good for between overhauls??

[Ratickle]

If it is really a 1000hp small block, how many hrs is it good for between overhauls??

Depends on the bleed-off you run at with the turbos. If you are pushing it, 250 probably best? If you run it most of the time so it's a 500 to 600 hp engine, double that I would think....

[phragle]

Here is a 1986 22' Regal Velocity for sale - the seller claims that it will do 105 mph.

http://www.boatline.com/boatdetail3868.htm

I never knew tripple digits had a brother... 1000 hp from a 350??

[Ratickle]

I never knew tripple digits had a brother... 1000 hp from a 350??

If it's done right, I'd be a little afraid of the RPM he would be pulling to get that.

NASCAR small blocks run real close to that with no boost and a restrictor plate.....

[cowisl]

We have 225 horse merc on the back of ours...i wouldnt want a 300 Evinrude hanging off the back. I think it would be too tail heavy. Test both and then go from there.

Chris

[phragle]

If it's done right, I'd be a little afraid of the RPM he would be pulling to get that.

NASCAR small blocks run real close to that with no boost and a restrictor plate.....

the boats 20k, what does it cost to build a 1000hp sbc RIGHT?? my guess is is he tried to build something for going to the river and keeping it running is killing him. how long does it live with that much boost?? what about the drive?? it does look cool though.

[jaxrunner]

the boats 20k, what does it cost to build a 1000hp sbc RIGHT?? my guess is is he tried to build something for going to the river and keeping it running is killing him. how long does it live with that much boost?? what about the drive?? it does look cool though.

Clamp it on it you want want to worry about it.

[Ratickle]

the boats 20k, what does it cost to build a 1000hp sbc RIGHT?? my guess is is he tried to build something for going to the river and keeping it running is killing him. how long does it live with that much boost?? what about the drive?? it does look cool though.

If the motor's done right, lowering the boost to around 10/12, you should still have a 90+ mph boat that will live as long as any 700HP big block. And you should be getting around 600HP at around 6000 RPM, I think. Depends on one thing. Is it stroked out to it's max for that initial block. And what it was.

Some of the 454 inch small blocks are getting around 700 hp with Natural Aspiration/single carb in the low 6000 RPM ranges.

We need our engine TechExperts on here to see what the best they've done with a small block is....

[ItsPeanut]

Jaxrunner, i live here in atlantic beach. I have a scout with a 250 merc on it. Ive pushed 65 to 68 on it in a small st johns chop at about 5000 rpm. It doesnt like the flat intercoastal water as much. Ive also been out in the ocean these last few weekends with it and love it even more out their. You get beat up and feel it the next day but its a blast. The boat loves waves. If your interested in a ride, send me a message.

[jaxrunner]

Jaxrunner, i live here in atlantic beach. I have a scout with a 250 merc on it. Ive pushed 65 to 68 on it in a small st johns chop at about 5000 rpm. It doesnt like the flat intercoastal water as much. Ive also been out in the ocean these last few weekends with it and love it even more out their. You get beat up and feel it the next day but its a blast. The boat loves waves. If your interested in a ride, send me a message.

I might have to take up you on that. I seem to be leaning more to the apache but the seller will not move on the price. I think I met you a while back w/ the power boat club. I have not been going to the meeting for a while now but i am going to try to start going again next month.

[DKerns]

My cousin had a "Regal" 22 Velocity with a stage 3 Evolution Marine V8 Johnson. The boat would run well into the 90's!! Never seemed tail heavy and handled the Ches. Bay very well for its size!! You have to run the V's flat and fast for the best ride!!

Can't add anything on the Apache!! But while we are on the Apache/Velocity topic...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ-sgjuMJcg

[J-Bonz]

Honestly, I got a 21" Apache. I love the boat and the way it rides. I dont think could go wrong with either! They are both sharp boats.

[jaxrunner]

Honestly, I got a 21" Apache. I love the boat and the way it rides. I dont think could go wrong with either! They are both sharp boats.

I agree!