Talon Cats?

[waterboy222]

I cant seem to find any other big cat called a Talon besides the one in the classifieds..

http://www.doublerperformance.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=239
The pics on RR's site are REALLY vague.

Does anyone know anything about this boat or about the company?

[phragle]

Cleveland constrution/traffic light..Evil Ed's is a Talon.... Talk to him or GlassDave.

[waterboy222]

Is it a 37?

[mikey]

I thought there use to be a outboard powered Talon named Flowmaster......

[cigdaze]

I thought there use to be a outboard powered Talon named Flowmaster......

Yep, I remember that. Todd Werner ran it I believe - he's now with Statement, so he may be able to answer some Q's.

[mikey]

I tried to find some pics and will keep looking....

[DiamondPerformance]

Here is a Super Cat Talon - Out of Bounds

[jmeng]

Talon used to make a 25 Cat back in the day...

[SKATIN]

http://www.flowmasterracing.com/


Mike Anderson throttled the boat he may be able to answer any questions you have 727 581 3911 http://pom-usa.com/

[RLJ676]

Aren't they Hustler's, or were made by them at some point?

[SKATIN]

I think hustler makes the big ones now... I know at one point they were all built in Sarasota

[Dude! Sweet!]

Jellybelly/Gone Again is a Talon too.

[waterboy222]

was Flowmaster a 37?? Surely it was bigger than that? In his pics, its shown being towed with wideload banners on the truck. Whats the beam on it?!

[nthdegree]

Aren't they Hustler's, or were made by them at some point?

Joe and the Hustler crew make both lengths, today...
Looked at some at Lake Cumberland Marine earlier this year...
Talon was the builder at one time...

[waterboy222]

Here is a Super Cat Talon - Out of Bounds

That is a GREAT looking ride! I love the cut down deck, is that on all of them?

[Dude! Sweet!]

That is a GREAT looking ride! I love the cut down deck, is that on all of them?

I just popped on to say the exact same thing! :26:

Gone Again looks like that as well...

[Dude! Sweet!]

Found the pics... Gotta represent for my west side posse! :sifone:

Pirated from some other lame-ass boat site! :26:

[waterboy222]

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/general-boating-discussion/198761-377-talon-cats.html
As much as I hate swapping info back and forth between the two sites, theres good info here.. Gonna make some calls tommorow and maybe a trip to canada in the near future.. Maybe Ill drop that POS sunsation off back in the old owners driveway on the way thru michigan.

[waterboy222]

Im sorry, but THAT is freakin sexy... greeeeeeeat lookin ride

[Dude! Sweet!]

Yup, I'm totally in love with the look of that boat!

[Chris]

I'm not absolutely certain about the lineage, but the Talon bottom looks identical to the Maelstrom to me. The Maelstrom looks very much like the Peters-designed Apache cat.

[waterboy222]

I'm not absolutely certain about the lineage, but the Talon bottom looks identical to the Maelstrom to me. The Maelstrom looks very much like the Peters-designed Apache cat.

Is that good/bad??

[ProMod]

There is a difference between the original Talon design and the Hustler Talon's,Hustler added the center pod and cabin!

37.5 ft long with a 10' 4" beam a very smooth riding boat!.

Here are a few picks of our 377 Talon!

[Dude! Sweet!]

Nice rig and superbad looking 'Bird in the avitar photo!

[ProMod]

Nice rig and superbad looking 'Bird in the avitar photo!

Thanks,
Back in the mid 90s we watched the 5.0 boys playing with the Vortecks and Pro chargers so we played right along with them.
Only we ran methanol instead of gas and 500 ci power in place of their small blocks!
We had a lot of fun with that car!

[Chris]

Is that good/bad??

All capable boats. Solid runners but not near state-of-the-art. But Skaters and MTIs sell for WAY more, so...

[Bobcat]

Im sorry, but THAT is freakin sexy... greeeeeeeat lookin ride

that is one of the coolest pics I have ever seen

[catastrophe]

There is a difference between the original Talon design and the Hustler Talon's,Hustler added the center pod and cabin!

37.5 ft long with a 10' 4" beam a very smooth riding boat!.

Here are a few picks of our 377 Talon!

Correction

Hustler added neither. Hustler made the entrance into the existing cabin more high tech.And they made it wider.

The original boat that was the start of RR was my 37 Talon with 900 mercs.

It was one of the models that came with a center pod.
There was another Talon up here at the same time that I ran with.
Half canopied...but with no center pod.

Both boats ran 138-140.

Very stable .

Hustler bought the molds in the early 2000s from the original owner and made good cosmetic changes to the interior.

UNITED NATIONS

Ran the **** out of that boat for 4 years beginning in 1999.
The current owner is a friend who is at the front of every poker run it is in.

[ProMod]

Thanks for the correction I learn something new every day!

[Airpacker]

Correction

Hustler added neither. Hustler made the entrance into the existing cabin more high tech.And they made it wider.

The original boat that was the start of RR was my 37 Talon with 900 mercs.

It was one of the models that came with a center pod.
There was another Talon up here at the same time that I ran with.
Half canopied...but with no center pod.

Both boats ran 138-140.

Very stable .

Hustler bought the molds in the early 2000s from the original owner and made good cosmetic changes to the interior.

UNITED NATIONS

Ran the **** out of that boat for 4 years beginning in 1999.
The current owner is a friend who is at the front of every poker run it is in.

That was a sweet ride wasn't it Alec.
Maybe you should buy it back so you won't be the slowest boat at the poker runs this summer :biggrinjester::biggrinjester::biggrinjester:

[catastrophe]

That was a sweet ride wasn't it Alec.
Maybe you should buy it back so you won't be the slowest boat at the poker runs this summer :biggrinjester::biggrinjester::biggrinjester:

WTF

I step forward to volunteer and supply the medic boat and pace boat .....and this is the way you treat me ?????:boxing_smiley:

[Airpacker]

wtf

i step forward to volunteer and supply the medic boat and pace boat .....and this is the way you treat me ?????:boxing_smiley:

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[waterboy222]

Does anyone know any history on "Rock-Hit-Ship" with triple 300's?

[ar15meister]

call Double R.

They are straight up guys and will tell you exactly whats up with that boat.

[catastrophe]

It belongs to one of their friends.
Priced way cheap.
I've run with that boat many times.
Quick.
Owner has run it with his young son, so it has not had the crap beat out of it.
Owner is normal family guy and runs on calm water.
Boat is in good shape.

Call Peter

1 705 487 7575

[Airpacker]

Does anyone know any history on "Rock-Hit-Ship" with triple 300's?

Sure do. Originally built for R.Chiovitti, owner of a big banana importing company in Toronto and rigged with tripple second effort johnson v8's. Rarely ever used and sat in a climate controlled toy warehouse for years. Rerigged with mercs by RR a couple years ago. Very clean, low hour boat.

[glassdave]

I'm not absolutely certain about the lineage, but the Talon bottom looks identical to the Maelstrom to me. The Maelstrom looks very much like the Peters-designed Apache cat.

its actually an original design, I actually thought it was very similar to the Eliminators. this from Ryan Beckley on another thread. Who designed the Malestrom?


Gary Armington designed, tooled, and built it in Sarasota. He still builds and repairs some boats in a small shop about 1 mile from me. I would guess they built about a dozen 37's before the molds were sold to Hustler. They built many different variations of the boat and weren't afraid to try anything. Gary is a true craftsman. I am sure anyone can see that in the amount of effort put into the tooling of that boat. That particular boat was built for Steve Neeley of Out Of Bounds and raced in the Modified class for many years. Steve later built another Talon for the original Super Cat class. It was a cool piece rigged by TNT. Last I knew Jim Dyke had it in Vermillon , Ohio. I believe the canopy is a Talon design made by Texstar. Talon's 25' is THEEEEE most copied Cat hull ever built......almost every west coast 25-30 cat is some sort of a knock off of Talons Original design. This is the same design as the one Sonny Crockett raced off into the sun set on ones of Vices season finales......

[Chris]

Peters designed the Apache and the Maelstrom. The Talon is SOOOOO similar- even looking at the treatment on the forward edges at the bow- almost identical in how they're angled back instread of being "pointy".

[catastrophe]

a lot shallower than some of the others

[Joe549]

This was taken at the 2007 Phoenix Warriors Poker Run

[Joe549]

another...

[catastrophe]

another...

Rebuilt,repainted UNITED NATIONS

Still out there at the head of the pack every time.

[waterboy222]

This was taken at the 2007 Phoenix Warriors Poker Run

Looks good in the water! I emailed Peter for some more pictures.. We'll see what happens!

[Bodyshot1]

there was a "Holiday Inn" Talon raceboat out of Ft Myers, a few years back....

[Joe549]

running shots from 2007 1000 Islands Poker Run....

[waterboy222]

Thanks for the pics Joe! Looks like a pretty nice rig. Kind of a goofy cockpit and rear though

[Strip Poker 388]

there sleek looking,I guess Hustler still has both molds.










http://yfrog.com/5kmcloedrustedstaples1240j

[Chart]

Was Talon's "cabin" behind the cockpit, in front of the engine, and not in front of the cockpit like most boats?

[glassdave]

yea, they had a mid/aft cabin that was pretty cool. Not sure if it still had a forward cabin though. Not much freeboard of these things. I've been up in the sponsons of Ed's boat many times an there aint much room.

[Bobcat]

powerboat 2002 march issue

[Strip Poker 388]

yea, they had a mid/aft cabin that was pretty cool. Not sure if it still had a forward cabin though. Not much freeboard of these things. I've been up in the sponsons of Ed's boat many times an there aint much room.


I really didnt like the aft,I think if the cabin was up front and cockpit moved back it would have a long nose and look cooler,still cool looking boat.

The one I looked at cumberland had 575sc,claimed 125Mph


Rob:cheers2:


http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1478/mcloedrustedstaples1240m.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/mcloedrustedstaples1240m.jpg/)

[Bobcat]

powerboat 2002, said 108.6 with 575's and 122.7 with 675's

[jhenrie]

Here's one from our area that just came up for sale. Nice boat. Very clean.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifieds/2001_377_talon_hustler-o29604-en.html

[Chris]

Kind of a goofy cockpit and rear though

MTI will sell you one that's more stylish for only $800K more! ;)

[2scoops]

running shots from 2007 1000 Islands Poker Run....

What's the story with this one from Double R? Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of how well it works? It's gotta crush some water but how fast is it?

[Chris]

Catastrophe knows the boat.

[waterboy222]

What's the story with this one from Double R? Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of how well it works? It's gotta crush some water but how fast is it?

I looked at the boat very closely (as in it was my top contendor for a new boat), have a TON of pics from RR that were sent to me and did a lot of research. Its a good buy, no doubt.. Just couldnt get insurance on triples in a 37' hull for a reasonable price.

[wstultz]

If you are interested, a friend of mines Talon is for sale. It's called the Nina Ross and is a special Talon some how. I don't remember what was special about it but i believe it was cut down to a 36 and something else. Let me know if interested. Cool boat and it hauls the mail also.

[2scoops]

I looked at the boat very closely (as in it was my top contendor for a new boat), have a TON of pics from RR that were sent to me and did a lot of research. Its a good buy, no doubt.. Just couldnt get insurance on triples in a 37' hull for a reasonable price.

I would just like to know how they perform. I am probably not in the market for one right this moment but am curious. Does anyone have any speed numbers on them?

[h2oMag]

Here is a Talon ad from 1990.

[RACESDAD]

They are great boats

[RACESDAD]

Triple 2.5s it will run 113 - 115

[ProMod]

I would just like to know how they perform. I am probably not in the market for one right this moment but am curious. Does anyone have any speed numbers on them?

Up to 900 hp per side they actually run approx the same top speed #s as a similar size late 90s to mid 2000 design #6 -36' pleasure Skater or Norteck,140mph or so depending on prop.
When you start to put 1000+ hp per side to these hulls that,s where the Talons inefficiency high prop slip rears her head,the mph spread goes 10 to 15 mph between the Talon and the Skater speed wise.
We run 1300hp + per side in our 377 and fully loaded run mid 150s every day of the week in a very short distance,105 to 150mph a click less than 10 seconds stop watch tests.
In a few weeks we plan on documenting a 160+ mph run by adding larger props and a few lbs of boost if needed.
For this hull that's moving pretty well, by Skater /MTI standards a total slug power to power.

The 377 pod hulls don,t handle the rough water near as well as the skater but up to 3' s or so I prefer the over all ride of the Talon to both my neighbors 36' Skaters .
If you want to be racer X this is not the hull, but as a fast pleasure bay boat she makes for a great ride!

[cosmic12]

Correction

Hustler added neither. Hustler made the entrance into the existing cabin more high tech.And they made it wider.

The original boat that was the start of RR was my 37 Talon with 900 mercs.

It was one of the models that came with a center pod.
There was another Talon up here at the same time that I ran with.
Half canopied...but with no center pod.

Both boats ran 138-140.

Very stable .

Hustler bought the molds in the early 2000s from the original owner and made good cosmetic changes to the interior.

UNITED NATIONS

Ran the **** out of that boat for 4 years beginning in 1999.
The current owner is a friend who is at the front of every poker run it is in.

So whatever happened to the Border Line boat? or is that the same boat? the grafics look kinda the same. I remember that one had a mid cabin saw it at Bonnie Castle a few times.

[2scoops]

Triple 2.5s it will run 113 - 115

Thanks Mike S. I assume that is about the speed of the cut down Nina Ross boat? How does the Double R boat with the triple X motors compare? Come on guys, Help an outboard guy out!

[catastrophe]

So whatever happened to the Border Line boat? or is that the same boat? the grafics look kinda the same. I remember that one had a mid cabin saw it at Bonnie Castle a few times.

Borderline had triple OB.

Ripped them off , added 900 a side and it became UNITED NATIONS.....same boat

[cosmic12]

Borderline had triple OB.

Ripped them off , added 900 a side and it became UNITED NATIONS.....same boat

Thats kinda what I thought, Thanks

[nthdegree]

Thanks Mike S. I assume that is about the speed of the cut down Nina Ross boat? How does the Double R boat with the triple X motors compare? Come on guys, Help an outboard guy out!

Before they repowered it with Mercs, Lexan 4 man Canopy, Latham Steering, Tie Bars & Throttles, VDO & Gaffrig gauges, Apollo Aviation GPS, Alpine Stereo CD, Intercom, 4 Bucket Recaro type seats, 3 CMC mechanical S/S engine lifts, 2 x 150 US Gal Tanks. Myco custom tri-axle trailer, 45’ long overall. 42.6 Total Hours since new. Last run 1995. Fresh water only. ~5308 lbs without engines. Mint Condition.

Approximate performance figures when repowered.

# P.S.HP Mfg Wt. Total Wt Lbs/HP ~ Speed

3 375 Offshore OMC @ 600lb 7108lb 6.3:1 112 MPH
3 300HP Merc @ 470lb 6718lb 7.5:1 102 MPH
3 330XHP Merc @ 475lb 6733lb 6.8:1 108 MPH
4 330XHP Merc @ 475lb 7208lb 5.5:1 120 MPH
3 275HP Merc @ 375lb 6533lb 7.9:1 100 MPH
4 275HP Merc @375lb 6808lb 6.2:1 114 MPH
3 275 Verago Merc @635lb 7213lb 8.7:1 94 MPH
4 275 Verago Merc @635lb 7848lb 7.1:1 107 MPH
2 525 MC Merc @1201lb 7710lb 7.3:1 104 MPH
2 575 MC Merc @1160lb 7630lb 6.6:1 110 MPH
2 1075 MC Merc @1720 lb 8750lb 4.1:1 130+ MPH

[stainless]

We used to race against Todd Werner when he ran the Talon Flowmaster, and we were in the 36 skater triple outboard Snakeman. As much as I hate to admit it, the talon ran sweet, and routinely outran the skater!

[Geronimo36]

How many non-pod Talons were made?

From what I hear the pod Talons ride hard.

[nthdegree]

The triple 300X boat runs just short of 100 mph...

[cowisl]

The triple 300X boat runs just short of 100 mph...

Looks like it needs some dialing in

[glassdave]

We used to race against Todd Werner when he ran the Talon Flowmaster, and we were in the 36 skater triple outboard Snakeman. As much as I hate to admit it, the talon ran sweet, and routinely outran the skater!

I actually have that boat in my shop right now (Snakeman) I just got done with all new tanks and surrounding structure/floors/dash everything . Getting ready to re do the entire transom and tunnel for quads (needs two pods in tunnel). Maybe it can catch a Talon now :D

[2scoops]

The triple 300X boat runs just short of 100 mph...

Thanks for the info, It does seem like it could use a little fine tuning. That is a great deal for a boat that size but a little more MPH would be nice. I would think the X powered boat with the torque of the 3 liters would smoke a 2.5 powered one.

[stainless]

I actually have that boat in my shop right now (Snakeman) I just got done with all new tanks and surrounding structure/floors/dash everything . Getting ready to re do the entire transom and tunnel for quads (needs two pods in tunnel). Maybe it can catch a Talon now :D

Nice! I know back then it was a heavy biotch! :sifone: Post some pics when you get a chance!

[stainless]

Looks like it needs some dialing in

I agree! should be running faster than that. With 2.5's we were at least 110mph (and 116 on the magic lake x water!)

[glassdave]

Nice! I know back then it was a heavy biotch! :sifone: Post some pics when you get a chance!

I will be doing a thread on the build. Doing some cool stuff with it. tell ya what for a 36 its one big azz boat.

[stainless]

I will be doing a thread on the build. Doing some cool stuff with it. tell ya what for a 36 its one big azz boat.

Cool!:USA:

[waterboy222]

Just bringin this thread back around because another Talon just hit the market. This ones even cooler than the last!

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifieds/custom_talon-o30426-en.html
And at $99000, it shouldnt last very long. Hes about $20k higher than my price range..Slick lookin ride though!

[RacerChip]

Please feel free to call me. I worked at Talon when the boat was developed and had the oppertunity to race both the 25 and 37. I am currently working @ STATEMENT Marine and yes the Flowmaster Talon is here. It has been converted to a pleasure boat and is currently available. Gary Armington (Owner of Talon) is a very close friend of mine and I may be able to put you in touch with him as well. Chip Fendt 941 586-1808.