Denied unemployment.

[Buoy]

Many of you know, my wife got a promotion, and we just moved cross country.
We both worked for the same Co. reporting to the same Director.
Her promotion would mean my position out here would have me reporting to her - and that is a big ole NO-NO in the eyes of HR.
I've already interviewed 3-times at one place for a new gig, and went for the pee test. Should hear back this week - and I have NOTHING TO WORRY about passing the test.
I figured I'd file the unemployment because I had to relocate.
Nope. Denied.
I've been paying into this for the past 6 years.
I'm looking for the 1 month which would be about $1200 - would cover my child support.
No Dice.
So, Under this new plan, the people that didn't pay into it get the money, and ME, the guy that has payed in, and is actively searching for a job, and will likely be employed by the end of the week...
I get nothing.
What a crock of chit.
I'm not hurting, and I can afford it.
But, I'm productive, and the $1200 would certainly help - I made decent money, but I'm not exactly ordering a Nor-Tech any day soon.

So, how the phuck does this work. I could use 1 month of salary to help out and then I'm done.
Denied.
If I needed a lifetime of salary, all I would have to do is bone my wife, have more kids, and I'd get a raise.
Great system we have.

[BGIII]

I don't what the story is in your state, but in Michigan, the employer pays into the unemployment fund, not the employee. When I lay somebody off, they receive benefits, when they quit/move whatever, they are on their own.

[sledge]

Where did you apply, AZ or OH? Unemployment is a state-run benefit. And technically did you quit or were you laid off? Benefits only if you are laid off. And the wife has a job so your household income is above minimum wage...you guessed it, no benefits. Ooof...throwing fuel on the fire here, but unemployment is paid for by employers, no deduction from your paycheck; so unless you had employed people at some point, you haven't actually paid anything (other than your state taxes, etc.)

Think of it this way: we all b!tch about how people living off the fruit of others have no incentive to get off their @ss and get a job. Not that you needed it (edit: "it" = the motivation) necessarily, but since you've been denied, you'll continue to bust your butt getting a real job.

You'd probably be better off taking an odd job or two off Craigslist for the time being, FWIW.
Best of luck, don't give up.

[phragle]

where did you apply?? I live in ohio, was working in mich...got laid off, buisness left mich. had to file for mich unemployment not ohio...

[Buoy]

where did you apply?? I live in ohio, was working in mich...got laid off, buisness left mich. had to file for mich unemployment not ohio...

Applied in Kentucky.
HR suggested I do this. I only left the Co. because they could not place me in AZ, and the commute to Kentucky would be impossible.
HR seemed to think it was a resonable request when I left.
I'll likely be hired to a job I don't want by the end of the week. Already been through interviews, and pee-test. Probably make more than I did back there, but hours/schedule will suck.

The thing that is really ****infg me off is all the people living off the Gov't t!t, and I'm the guy paying in, getting nothing back.

[phragle]

well....for starters... your married, male and white... 3 strikes and your out.... of the money

[Scarab KV]

Many of you know, my wife got a promotion, and we just moved cross country.
We both worked for the same Co. reporting to the same Director.
Her promotion would mean my position out here would have me reporting to her - and that is a big ole NO-NO in the eyes of HR.
I've already interviewed 3-times at one place for a new gig, and went for the pee test. Should hear back this week - and I have NOTHING TO WORRY about passing the test.
I figured I'd file the unemployment because I had to relocate.
Nope. Denied.
I've been paying into this for the past 6 years.
I'm looking for the 1 month which would be about $1200 - would cover my child support.
No Dice.
So, Under this new plan, the people that didn't pay into it get the money, and ME, the guy that has payed in, and is actively searching for a job, and will likely be employed by the end of the week...
I get nothing.
What a crock of chit.
I'm not hurting, and I can afford it.
But, I'm productive, and the $1200 would certainly help - I made decent money, but I'm not exactly ordering a Nor-Tech any day soon.

So, how the phuck does this work. I could use 1 month of salary to help out and then I'm done.
Denied.
If I needed a lifetime of salary, all I would have to do is bone my wife, have more kids, and I'd get a raise.
Great system we have.


Let me know when ya get it figured out. I could use the money:D

[fund razor]

What about disability? Can you claim a disability of some sort? :D

Because while you haven't probably paid the unemployment insurance premiums, you have paid plenty of social security. :)

I thought that this thread meant that you TRIED to be unemployed and some bastard hired you. :D

[Bobcat]

What about disability? Can you claim a disability of some sort? :D
:D

he is friends with us, that should cover a lot of ground:26::sifone:

[Tony]

I don't what the story is in your state, but in Michigan, the employer pays into the unemployment fund, not the employee. When I lay somebody off, they receive benefits, when they quit/move whatever, they are on their own.

Ohio is the same way, Our system is pretty stupid, the claimant often imidiately starts reccieving compensation. If the claim is appealed by the employer and the appeal is granted, then the unemployment program has to refund the employers account and worry about collecting it back from the claimant. Ive had guys whom I've never even heard of file a claim against me on more than one occasion.:boxing_smiley:

[Ratickle]

Ohio is the same way, Our system is pretty stupid, the claimant often imidiately starts reccieving compensation. If the claim is appealed by the employer and the appeal is granted, then the unemployment program has to refund the employers account and worry about collecting it back from the claimant. Ive had guys whom I've never even heard of file a claim against me on more than one occasion.:boxing_smiley:

The interesting part in Michigan, with the people who know the system, you can lie on your UnO application and it will immediately be granted.

Then the form is sent to the previous employers for review. If the employer disagrees, a form is filled out and sent in, then the UnO office sends a form to the person for agreement or disagreement. After three go rounds of this, all the time the person is receiving unemployment, a phone hearing is set up. Then, with a judge and both parties on the phone, the (almost) final decision is made. If it is ruled in the employers favor, payments are stopped, the employers account is credited, and the state sends a notice the person has to pay back what's been received. In almost all cases they can't.

[MarylandMark]

The tradesmen in my area "get" laid off every Summer, work side jobs and collect unemployment while living the good life and then go "back" to work in the Winter. 4-5 day "WEEKEND" for them every week! .

I'd rather have my $$ (and the company I work for not have to pay in to it which means me as an employee cost them less overall which means I can ask for a raise). SS & Medicare/cade = same scenario

My employer offers free health care the rest of my life- why don't I get a credit since I won't have to flood the Medi-system?

[Ratickle]

The tradesmen in my area "get" laid off every Summer, work side jobs and collect unemployment while living the good life and then go "back" to work in the Winter. 4-5 day "WEEKEND" for them every week! .

I'd rather have my $$ (and the company I work for not have to pay in to it which means me as an employee cost them less overall which means I can ask for a raise). SS & Medicare/cade = same scenario

My employer offers free health care the rest of my life- why don't I get a credit since I won't have to flood the Medi-system?

It's called Socialism.

Someone, somewhere, at sometime, decided that those who can and do should take care of those who either can and don't, or can't. We just put some major ones in office.

[Seafordguy]

Reapply claiming you are a single black male with 5 kids from different woman, and you suspect you were laid off because the company has a history of discrimanatory behavior.....

They'll be quick to send you a check, and you'll be back working by the time they figure it out....

[phragle]

if companies could choos not to pay into unemploymet..they wouldn't...doesn't mean you would get the money.

[phragle]

Santa Cluase is now out of a job... on his unemployment application, the reason is listed as.. "Obama gave everything away..theres nothing left for me to do"

[Ted]

My employer offers free health care the rest of my life- why don't I get a credit since I won't have to flood the Medi-system?


Because eventually they will simply pick up your Medicare Part B but you will still be on Medicare. At least that's what ATT did for their retirees.

[45Sonic]

One problem is you speak English.

[JupiterSunsation]

well....for starters... Your married, male and white... 3 strikes and your out.... Of the money

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[phragle]

My employer offers free health care the rest of my life- why don't I get a credit since I won't have to flood the Medi-system?


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: there are so many that used to believe and that their company would fund retirement... suprise!!!!! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Wobble]

Applied in Kentucky.
HR suggested I do this. I only left the Co. because they could not place me in AZ, and the commute to Kentucky would be impossible.
HR seemed to think it was a resonable request when I left.
I'll likely be hired to a job I don't want by the end of the week. Already been through interviews, and pee-test. Probably make more than I did back there, but hours/schedule will suck.

The thing that is really ****infg me off is all the people living off the Gov't t!t, and I'm the guy paying in, getting nothing back.


Did you quit or were you laid off or fired? In Texas if you quit that's tough chit you get nothing. If I fire you for some misbehaviour the State may pay unemployment for up to six months, if I lay you off due to lack of work they will pay up to six months and bill me back for most of the benefits. This may also happen if they disagree with a firing which is why the paper trail is so important.

[Buoy]

Wife got a promotion requiring us to relocate across country.
Wife and I both worked for same Co.
Co. couldn't have me reporting to my wife.
No other position available out here.

[Wobble]

Wife got a promotion requiring us to relocate across country.
Wife and I both worked for same Co.
Co. couldn't have me reporting to my wife.
No other position available out here.


I think you are saying you had to quit, which right or wrong is voluntary. Likely no benefits in most states.

[Tony]

If you quit than....

Unfortunatly thats the way it works in most cases. There have been a few special scenarios where I have allowed a claim after a guy quit. One was an exceptional employee who had to quit in order to take care of a terminally Ill family member. Unfortunately the corp. world doesnt give a rats azz about anyone.

[Buoy]

Basically, yes, I was forced to quit, well, maybe forced isn't the right word.

Wife got the promotion, so for her not to take it would have been career suicide.
I wanted to stay with the Co.
Even have letters of rec. from both of my previous two supervisors, but they didn't have a position for me out here.

[cigdaze]

Wife got a promotion requiring us to relocate across country.
Wife and I both worked for same Co.
Co. couldn't have me reporting to my wife.
No other position available out here.

Unfortunately, that falls under 'voluntary' separation by most state's definitions.

[Buoy]

Unfortunately, that falls under 'voluntary' separation by most state's definitions.

Yeah, but even the people I spoke with in HR felt that under the circumstances I should be able to collect.

I guess what bothers me, is all the people in this country that don't do a damn thing to even look for a job, and just wait for a check...

I guess in retrospect, If I would have run naked through the building and got fired for it, I could collect.
But, what was I thinking...
Instead, I was hard working, followed the rules, and tried to offer my services in another position within the Co.

[JupiterSunsation]

re-apply like many govt deals they routinely deny everything then after questioning they give in. Next go around say you were forced to relocate due to a spouse job transfer and the company has no job for you.

[MarylandMark]

there are so many that used to believe and that their company would fund retirement... suprise!!!!!

I know- workin man gets screwed every time. That's why I've been supporting the post about the Big 3 and the UAW. I hate a union but think the guys at the top should take a wack on pay/benefits vs the guys at the bottom.

[cigdaze]

Yeah, but even the people I spoke with in HR felt that under the circumstances I should be able to collect.

I guess what bothers me, is all the people in this country that don't do a damn thing to even look for a job, and just wait for a check...

I guess in retrospect, If I would have run naked through the building and got fired for it, I could collect.
But, what was I thinking...
Instead, I was hard working, followed the rules, and tried to offer my services in another position within the Co.

Two things I've learned over the years: (1) Never trust your HR rep; (2) Work hard, millions on welfare depend on you.

Cheers, and good luck.
:)

[nortech4play]

I would think that even if you left your employment voluntarily at some point if you haven't landed a new job you would be eligible to start receiving unemployment benifits.

When we terminate someone there has to be cause shown to deny immediate benefits, they will still get them but there is a period that they aren't eligible. If there laid off for lack of work they can get them immediately. I know when we lay off one of our Sprinklerfitters they apply the next day without delay...

If someone leaves on their own in our State the benefits don't start right away but if the person continues to be unemployed they can refile and they will start after a certain amount of time has lapsed.

Good Luck it's just a pain in the A$$ going through all the Red Tape...

[Buoy]

I would think that even if you left your employment voluntarily at some point if you haven't landed a new job you would be eligible to start receiving unemployment benifits.

When we terminate someone there has to be cause shown to deny immediate benefits, they will still get them but there is a period that they aren't eligible.

If someone leaves on their own in our state the benefits don't start right away but if the person continues to be unemployed they can refile and they will start after a certain amount of time has lapsed.

Good Luck it's just a pain in the A$$ going through all the Red Tape...

The thing is, I'll most likely have a job by the end of this week (waiting for the drug screen to come back, which, unless the lab phucks up, is a complete non-issue).
It's a job I really don't want, but sitting on my azz pays even less than I thought, and I get bored quickly, I need something to do, and actually like working.
I'm just thinking the Gov't owes me a little over a grand.
We've assembled groups on the boards to go do a collection for less, anyone want to make a trip to 1600 Pennsylvania?:biggrinjester:

[nortech4play]

anyone want to make a trip to 1600 Pennsylvania?:biggrinjester:

They already have my money and will be wasting it for all of their boon-doggle spending for years to come....

[MarylandMark]

anyone want to make a trip to 1600 Pennsylvania?

If in town let me know!!

I can get you (or anyone else) a FREE 1 way trip to DC!!! Let me know if you want details.

[Buoy]

If in town let me know!!

I can get you (or anyone else) a FREE 1 way trip to DC!!! Let me know if you want details.

And, if you're gonna stop by the bank while you're out, can you hand the teller this note?:biggrinjester:

[MarylandMark]

anyone want to make a trip to 1600 Pennsylvania?

I was more thinking about using the above address and the words b 0 m b in a sentence a few times :26:

[Buoy]

I was thinking we'd just stop by and pick up some cheese.

[fund razor]

The thing is, I'll most likely have a job by the end of this week (waiting for the drug screen to come back, which, unless the lab phucks up, is a complete non-issue).
It's a job I really don't want, but sitting on my azz pays even less than I thought, and I get bored quickly, I need something to do, and actually like working.
I'm just thinking the Gov't owes me a little over a grand.
We've assembled groups on the boards to go do a collection for less, anyone want to make a trip to 1600 Pennsylvania?:biggrinjester:

The owe me a whole heck of a lot more than that. You will never get it.

Want about a civil suit for hot coffee or something?

[Buoy]

The owe me a whole heck of a lot more than that. You will never get it.

Want about a civil suit for hot coffee or something?

Stopped drinking coffee about 6 years ago, no real reason.
Need something cold in the morning now.
2 cans of Coke get me by.

[fund razor]

Stopped drinking coffee about 6 years ago, no real reason.
Need something cold in the morning now.
2 cans of Coke get me by.

You are not making this easy. :)

[Buoy]

You are not making this easy. :)

Story of my life.

And also a frequent quote of mine when I was dating in high school.

[fund razor]

You will have to get a job, Tim.