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JupiterSunsation
04-15-2009, 11:45 PM
Reuters) – General Motors Corp has told U.S. dealers it is accelerating its timetable for closing about 1,700 dealerships as it rushes to meet a June 1 deadline to restructure under U.S. government oversight, people with knowledge of the discussions said.

In a series of meetings with key dealers including representatives of the National Automobile Dealers Association, GM executives also said about 200 dealerships had closed in the first quarter, according to people briefed on those talks.

The sources asked not to be named because of the sensitive nature of GM's discussions with its cash-strapped dealers.

Dealer representatives met on Tuesday in Detroit with GM Chief Executive Fritz Henderson and on Wednesday with GM sales chief Mark LaNeve, the sources said.

A GM spokesman confirmed that the meetings had taken place but declined to comment on the closed-door discussions.

Separately, Chrysler LLC executives, including sales chief Jim Press, held a conference call for dealers on Tuesday and met with key dealers on Wednesday, sources said.

"The message was that all the balls are in the air, but they were committed to trying to reach a deal with Fiat," one Chrysler dealer who participated in the briefing said.

Chrysler could not be immediately reached for comment.

Both embattled automakers were meeting with dealers, with just weeks remaining to hammer out new concessionary deals with creditors and their major union under the threat of a government-sponsored bankruptcy.

Chrysler has until the end of April to conclude a deal with Italy's Fiat SpA and win other needed concessions. GM has been given until June 1 to attempt its own out-of-court restructuring by U.S. officials.

GM dealers who met with executives in Detroit this week were told that the automaker has several interested potential investors in its troubled Hummer SUV brand and expected to have an offer that would keep the brand running, one of the people familiar with the discussions said.

GM's Henderson had said in late March that a decision on Hummer could come within weeks. Henderson took over as CEO when the government ousted Rick Wagoner amid criticism he had moved too slowly on the automaker's restructuring.

HOT BUTTON ISSUE

The issue of how many U.S. dealerships GM can support has been one of the hot-button issues for U.S. officials as they drive GM toward a stepped-up restructuring that many observers have now concluded will include a bankruptcy filing.

GM ended 2008 with over 6,200 dealers in the United States and had presented a plan to the U.S. autos task force, run by former investment banker Steve Rattner, that would have cut that by about 25 percent to near 4,100 over the next five years as dealers shut down or merged.

The task force rejected GM's dealer consolidation plan as one element of a turnaround that officials said did not go far enough or move fast enough.

Since delivering that verdict on GM's plan late last month, the autos task force has told the automaker to go to work on an expedited dealer consolidation plan that would not rely on attrition alone, people briefed on those discussions said.

As a result, GM officials have told dealers that they would identify underperforming locations and could move to terminate franchise agreements by June 1, a dealer who had received such a notice said on Wednesday.

GM is counting on the spin-off or closure of its Saturn and Hummer brands -- combined with dealership closures because of declining business conditions and tight credit -- to deliver about half of its targeted cuts, according to the dealer.

For the remainder, GM is preparing to terminate franchise agreements without the kind of payouts that it made when it shut down its Oldsmobile division and closed some 2,800 dealerships. That process cost GM more than $1 billion.

Representatives of U.S. auto dealers, including the NADA trade group, have met at least four times with members of the U.S. autos task force since last month, including discussions of the financing pressure on both dealers and car shoppers, the sources said.

(Reporting by Kevin Krolicki, David Bailey and Soyoung Kim; Additional reporting by Poornima Gupta; Editing by Richard Chang)

Dude! Sweet!
04-16-2009, 01:56 AM
Just drove by a huge GM dealership yesterday that was closed and vacant. They probably had 200 cars on the lot a month ago...

MattBMiller
04-16-2009, 08:02 AM
This is going to be an interesting year for those of us in the auto industry.... :ack2:

BBB725
04-16-2009, 08:08 AM
I don't understand the dealer/manufacture relationship, so how does reducing the amount of dealers save GM money?

Blue Oval
04-16-2009, 08:09 AM
This is going to be an interesting year for those of us in the auto industry.... :ack2:

I agree!

JupiterSunsation
04-16-2009, 08:51 AM
I don't understand the dealer/manufacture relationship, so how does reducing the amount of dealers save GM money?

Those are dealers that rely on the manufacturer for parts/vehicle inventory and want to pay GM on terms for that stuff. GM is trying to weed out unprofitable dealers. If they are not selling product profitably then GM doesn't need the liability. What hurts is that the dealer employs secretaries, salesmen, bookeepers, mechanics, etc. and they are essentially unemployable in that industry (NOBODY is hiring). If a dealer has 50-100 employees that will be 85,000-170,000 people out of work. In addition they are not going to compensate the owners for the lost franchise. So if you paid 5 million for your local Chevy store and they pull the franchise they you just lost your 5 million or even better you are going to default on your loan that financed the deal. Clearly no winners in this deal and I suspect the smaller non- AutoNation dealers are going to take the brunt of the closings.

florida gator
04-16-2009, 08:51 AM
I don't understand the dealer/manufacture relationship, so how does reducing the amount of dealers save GM money?

Supply and demand. Cut production and reduce retail locations increases profitability. I'm sure too most of these dealer floor plans are through GMAC and have had some restructuring.

Sea-Dated
04-16-2009, 01:57 PM
Not good news at all. I feel bad for those that will lose their jobs.

45Sonic
04-16-2009, 02:07 PM
One local here did away with the Chevy line.

http://www.chevychasechevrolet.com/index.htm

MarylandMark
04-16-2009, 04:06 PM
Those are dealers that rely on the manufacturer for parts/vehicle inventory and want to pay GM on terms for that stuff. GM is trying to weed out unprofitable dealers. If they are not selling product profitably then GM doesn't need the liability. What hurts is that the dealer employs secretaries, salesmen, bookeepers, mechanics, etc. and they are essentially unemployable in that industry (NOBODY is hiring). If a dealer has 50-100 employees that will be 85,000-170,000 people out of work. In addition they are not going to compensate the owners for the lost franchise. So if you paid 5 million for your local Chevy store and they pull the franchise they you just lost your 5 million or even better you are going to default on your loan that financed the deal. Clearly no winners in this deal and I suspect the smaller non- AutoNation dealers are going to take the brunt of the closings.

So sounds like the more dealers GM has the more money HQ makes? So again- how does closing dealerships help GM? I ask that because I don't know- I know it sounds like I am being a smartass and that is not my intent by any means- can't find a nicer way to ask my question. All the people you name don't work for GM, just a GM dealership.

sledge
04-16-2009, 04:23 PM
So sounds like the more dealers GM has the more money HQ makes?

More like GM Corp has a lot of dealers that have borrowed inventory on credit with GM. Dealers don't sell, they don't pay, GM loses money. Cut off the bad dealers, minimize the losses.

If you're a manufacturer, which distributors would you rather have? The ones that pay you for your product in full when delivered and carry the risk of sales? Or the ones barely stringing along, "I'll pay you next month"... I don't even want to mention a certain failed distributor to drive the point home...

Chris
04-16-2009, 04:37 PM
The auto manufacturer has to do many things for the dealer that don't have a direct-charge relationship. Everything from warranty support and monitoring to product training and the list goes on. Every aspect of the dealer's operation requires factory support. And they pay for that support through unit volume. If they can maintain market share and volume with a third less dealers, that's a nice-sized chunk of change that hits the corporation's pockets.

In some major cities, you'll have dealers within a couple miles of each other. And our highway and roadway infrastructure makes getting to broadly-spaced dealerships virtually effortless. Keep in mind, when some of these dealer's were franchised in the 30's, highways hadn't even been dreamed of yet. Allof these franchisees are protected by their state's franchise laws- laws definitely unfriendly to the franchisor. Dropping a percentage of those dealerships makes both the company and the remaining dealerships profitable. lots of owners have walked away from their stores with some nice checks in recent years, and they will continue to do so.

MarylandMark
04-16-2009, 06:46 PM
Thanks for the info!

I thought the dealer ordered the vehicle, the dealers floorplan paid GM for them and the dealer paid the juice on the floorplan until they sold the vehicle.

If that was GMAC that financed the floorplan they should be in trouble; not GM who should have been paid already by GMAC?

RLJ676
04-16-2009, 07:09 PM
Thanks for the info!

I thought the dealer ordered the vehicle, the dealers floorplan paid GM for them and the dealer paid the juice on the floorplan until they sold the vehicle.

If that was GMAC that financed the floorplan they should be in trouble; not GM who should have been paid already by GMAC?

It's just as much the other cost's too, combined with the competing dealers drive down the transaction prices by competiting with each other, helping nobody.

But for the most part, I agree that the amount of emphasis being put on this seems out of line with the expected savings from closing them down? Hell, you just lost 200K GM customers which would be pretty key to have these days. Overall, I'd guess GM's plan of a natural shrinking was much more reasonable/fair, but big brother says screw the dealerships, close em.

getchasum111
04-16-2009, 07:23 PM
i'm sure glad i'm in a Toyota/Lexus store....times are tough for sure....but it's not as bad here as the GM/Chrysler and so on stores....i can still get 560's done....but the general public still think that there is no money to lend....and these Toyotas are high dollar rides...but it could be worse....i hope it doesn't though....