pirates dead

[Bgchuby01]

captain is free and the pirates are dead, GREAT NEWS

[Fountain38SC]

Best outcome for everyone !

[pkspx]

one in custody

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514719,00.html

[H2O Full Throttle]

Why keep the SOB. Make a few cut marks on the piece of crap so it gets the blood running and then leave him in the shark infested waters. Doesnt deserve any better. :)

[Bgchuby01]

I say we turn the one lone pirate over to Stecz and his boys. They can use him to fill in some of the pot holes on the jersey turnpike

[Dreamer]

Why keep the SOB. Make a few cut marks on the piece of crap so it gets the blood running and then leave him in the shark infested waters. Doesnt deserve any better. :)

because we r supposed to be better than them

[Divenstar]

because we r supposed to be better than them

I agree...

Divenstar :(

[Wrinkleface]

because we r supposed to be better than them

Sometimes, rules can B broken!!:boxing_smiley:

[Ratickle]

I say we turn the one lone pirate over to Stecz and his boys. They can use him to fill in some of the pot holes on the jersey turnpike

No one deserves the "Stecz" treatment. :sifone:

[Sean Stinson]

Hang him from the mast!!!!! Or he can walk the plank!!!

[Bgchuby01]

I agree that we are better than them but the pirates would not have thought to hesitate one second if they could have shot the captain.

[Magicfloat]

How far away were the Seals? What kind of weapon did they use?

[JupiterSunsation]

Unfortunately this whole event turned up the heat in an already hostile region....... Remember Black Hawk Down, same place 16 years later......

[BlackJack58]

I read the Captain was taking a leak off the side of the boat - three pirates were on the other side; one holding an AK-47 on the Captain, while he did his bizness. Sharpshooters on fantail of Navy ship took advantage of the situation and took out all three pirates...

[fund razor]

Unfortunately this whole event turned up the heat in an already hostile region....... Remember Black Hawk Down, same place 16 years later......

Yes. An act of piracy like this turns up the heat. But an effective response turns it down. This was the anti-blackhawk down. They lost. Pretty bad day for the pirates, and unless they have acquired more technology than rpgs and ak-47s in the last 14 years, a few pirates here and there will be easy pickings for Navy teams. Obviously.

[SHARKEY-IMAGES]

How far away were the Seals?

Reports were 28 to 30 meters.

All 3 sharpshooters had a lock on the 3 kidnappers and took them all out simultaneously ! :sifone:

This certainly was where their training paid off big time.

[nortech4play]

Thank you to the US Navy, the Seals who performed flawlessly and the courage of Captain Richard Phillips....

And a thanks to Obama for letting the military do what they are supposed to do and not get in the way like I'm sure he wanted to...

[Von Bongo]

This was the anti-blackhawk down. They lost. .

The only reason Black Hawk down was a defeat was Clinton had zero back bone. We lost 18 they lost between 500 and 1000 and we pack our bags and go home. Hell the 18 lost never should have been there if that was our resolve.

I aplaud the Seals and the military in their successful rescue of an American Citizen. Even give a +1 to Obama for giving the OK.

[BUIZILLA]

I read the Captain was taking a leak off the side of the boat - three pirates were on the other side; one holding an AK-47 on the Captain, while he did his bizness. Sharpshooters on fantail of Navy ship took advantage of the situation and took out all three pirates...

I call total BS on this peeing overboard story :boxing_smiley: the Bainbridge Commander stated on a televised phone interview that the captive was tied up inside the boat, one thug was visible just inside the front door, and the other two were sticking their heads out the small access doors, at that point it was 3 heads missing in unison.... pretty impressive.... he also stated the youngest thug was on the Bainbridge itself and COOPERATING somewhat with them, how he **supposedly** got shot/injured is a mystery to me...

[Dreamer]

I call total BS on this story :boxing_smiley:

three shots by three snipers on a rolling boat shooting at three guys on a rolling boat..... at night.......

[Ratickle]

three shots by three snipers on a rolling boat shooting at three guys on a rolling boat..... at night.......

I've seen some tremendous shots by these guys. I wouldn't say that was past their ability.

[Playn]

now how about that mothership? Find it and send it and it's pirate crew to the bottom.

[BUIZILLA]

now how about that mothership? Find it and send it and it's pirate crew to the bottom.

up periscope... lock and load.... fire tube 1.....

[ImaPoser]

he also stated the youngest thug was on the Bainbridge itself and COOPERATING somewhat with them, how he **supposedly** got shot/injured is a mystery to me...

Injured in the initial attack on the cargo ship. Gave himself up for medical care.

Another +1 for Obama. Gotta give credit where it is due. He let the boys handle it the way they knew how.

[MERPerformance]

Was wondering Friday what was going to happen. Fox news made it sound like the Navy,was holding back. Orders given not to shoot, even while the captain jumped into the water and got away for a short time. Maybe they should use Black Water, they have had over $500 million in contracts since 2001 and have given about $2.4 million to the Republican party for which I am for. It would be alot better to use a privite contractor to just get the job done and not drag the thing out, since it's a privite business. If you go to the BLACKWATER , web site they state they have been used before for escort.

[MetalBrosRacing]

SEAL's FKN RULE!

[Dreamer]

they asked the first time and he said yes

they asked again under diff circumstace and he sad yes again....

that is what i read

[BOJOE2]

:) :))

[H2O Full Throttle]

Who gives a $hit what he did or didnt say, obviously he said enough to give the Seals the ok to do their thing, and they did their thing :26::26:

[Pete B]

Great Job by the Seals, although they train for this type of stuff, Just glad that they were able to put my taxpayer money to good use. Thanks again for what you do.

[JupiterSunsation]

Great Job by the Seals, although they train for this type of stuff, Just glad that they were able to put my taxpayer money to good use. Thanks again for what you do.

Just wonder how many wannabes sitting in a bar starting spouting off how they were a Seal back in the day after all this action took place yesterday....

I watched the Seal training show on TLC a couple years back and the cold water exercises would have easily kept me out of the program. Those guys are definitely a special breed of person and they deserve all the honors they receive.

[Offshoredrillin]

Just wonder how many wannabes sitting in a bar starting spouting off how they were a Seal back in the day after all this action took place yesterday....

I watched the Seal training show on TLC a couple years back and the cold water exercises would have easily kept me out of the program. Those guys are definitely a special breed of person and they deserve all the honors they receive.
ask Everett, he posts on a navy seal website too...along with his body building website...:rofl:

[fund razor]

The only reason Black Hawk down was a defeat was Clinton had zero back bone. We lost 18 they lost between 500 and 1000 and we pack our bags and go home. Hell the 18 lost never should have been there if that was our resolve.

I aplaud the Seals and the military in their successful rescue of an American Citizen. Even give a +1 to Obama for giving the OK.
Agreed, I meant that the pirates lost yesterday. Sorry about that.

[MattBMiller]

Why keep the SOB. Make a few cut marks on the piece of crap so it gets the blood running and then leave him in the shark infested waters. Doesnt deserve any better. :)

I agree

[Roger 1]

Just wonder how many wannabes sitting in a bar starting spouting off how they were a Seal back in the day after all this action took place yesterday....

I watched the Seal training show on TLC a couple years back and the cold water exercises would have easily kept me out of the program. Those guys are definitely a special breed of person and they deserve all the honors they receive.

I'm with you on the cold water training. I can deal with heat,pain and exhaustion but I CAN'T stand the cold!

[Bgchuby01]

I'm with you on the cold water training. I can deal with heat,pain and exhaustion but I CAN'T stand the cold!

I guess then you can't live with Mark?

[Chris]

Obama certainly could have caved to the pressures of continuing negotiations with these pirates. They are holding a number of captives that this action could potentially endanger their well-being. On this one, he put our interests first and foremost. Had it been Jimmy Carter, that captain would be tied to a chair in a Mogadishu slum right now.

I also am impressed with how he handled it- no nonsense, no BS, no politicizing. Just dead a$$holes. If he really wants to impress the world, now he needs to destroy every known pirate building, hideout and home.

[cigdaze]

The whole situation played out very well. Go Navy!
:)

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Y'all will notice some house-cleaning. Gentlemen, this is about pirates, hostages, the Navy, and a happy ending. Let's stick to that please, no more fighting and name-calling.

[Sean Stinson]

SEAL's bad motherphukers

[Ratickle]

Obama signed off to let them do their job. He didn't have to, he could have said wait for my people to review the situation etc. Does he deserve credit, of course. A politician who didn't interfere when he could have. A very rare thing......:leaving:

[Sean Stinson]

He definately gets a brownie point for the way he handled it!!! But still not going to change parties!!!!!

[Ratickle]

He definately gets a brownie point for the way he handled it!!! But still not going to change parties!!!!!

Nope, me either. But I always vote for the best candidate, never voted a straight party ticket in my life. Reps are the closest by far.

End of hijack.....

[Steve 1]

Hell I was waiting for the FBI to catch them.

[cigdaze]

U.S. Military Considers Attacks on Somali Pirates’ Land Bases

By Jeff Bliss

April 13 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. military is considering attacks on pirate bases on land and aid for the Somali people to help stem ship hijackings off Africa’s east coast, defense officials said.

The military also is drawing up proposals to aid the fledgling Somalia government to train security forces and develop its own coast guard, said the officials, who requested anonymity. The plans will be presented to the Obama administration as it considers a coordinated U.S. government and international response to piracy, the officials said.

The effort follows the freeing yesterday of Richard Phillips, a U.S. cargo ship captain held hostage since April 8 by Somali pirates. Security analysts said making shipping lanes safe would require disrupting the pirates’ support network on land.

“There really isn’t a silver-bullet solution other than going into Somalia and rooting out the bases” of the pirates, said James Carafano, senior research fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a Washington-based group.

In 1992, under then-President George H.W. Bush, U.S. forces that landed in Somalia to confront widespread starvation found themselves in the middle of a civil war. Forty-two Americans died before former President Bill Clinton pulled out the troops in 1994.

No such broad military effort is being seriously considered now, the defense officials said.

Need for Somali Support

The defense officials cautioned that any actions, whether diplomatic or military, would need the support of the Somali people, who are traditionally suspicious of foreign intervention.

President Barack Obama, who gave permission for the military operation to free Phillips yesterday, is coordinating the U.S. response to piracy with other countries and the shipping industry to reduce vessels’ vulnerability to attack, boost operations to foil attacks and prosecute any captured suspects, said a senior administration official.

The administration official, who requested anonymity, declined to provide further details.

U.S. officials said the goal of a response to the piracy problem would be to encourage Somalis to help clamp down on lawlessness and to ease poverty, an outgrowth of 18 years without a strong central government.

‘One Symptom’

“Piracy is one symptom of the difficult situation in Somalia,” said Laura Tischler, a State Department spokeswoman.

Under discussion are ways to send more direct food and agricultural aid to the country, the defense officials said.

The U.S. military’s African Command, or Africom, could lead the land-based effort. Unlike other commands, Africom doesn’t have large military units. It also has only one permanent base, in Djibouti. The staff of Africom is half civilian and half military personnel and includes representatives from the Departments of State, Treasury and Health and Human Services.

Any U.S. actions on the seas may be coordinated by the Fifth Fleet, which is based in Bahrain.

Also, efforts to ferret out pirates may be jointly conducted with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the defense official said.

Joint Partnerships

The U.S. has used a similar partnership between the military and law enforcement to fight drug cartels in South and Central America.

U.S. action would come as new approaches to fight piracy have emerged over the past seven months. In August, countries increased ship escorts and naval patrols around the Gulf of Aden, site of most East African attacks. In December, the United Nations Security Council unanimously passed an anti-piracy resolution.

The UN measure allowed for attacks on pirate land bases and led to the formation of a 28-nation group that has met twice since January to coordinate diplomatic, legal and military efforts.

In January, the U.S. also signed an agreement with Kenya to prosecute suspected pirates handed over by the U.S. military. The U.S. will try anyone who attempts to hijack U.S. ships or hold U.S. captives, Tischler said.

Countries should use existing legal codes, such as the Law of the Sea Treaty and Suppression of Unlawful Acts Against the Safety of Maritime Navigation, to develop a process for prosecuting pirates, U.S. Coast Guard Commandant Thad Allen said.

‘Ample Legal Requirements’

There are “ample legal requirements and jurisdiction to be able to take action against these pirates,” Allen said yesterday on ABC’s “This Week.” “That’s what we should be doing.”

The Obama administration also is urging shipping companies and international maritime groups to employ private security forces and take steps such as unbolting ladders that pirates could use to board a vessel.

The U.S. should make sure to involve other countries, international aid organizations and the shipping industry in its plans, security analysts said.

Lack of coordination has been a major reason for the proliferation of piracy incidents, said Yonah Alexander, director of the Potomac Institute for Policy Studies’ International Center for Terrorism Studies, a Washington-based policy group.

Lack of Strategy

“Everyone is trying to water their own tree rather than looking at the whole forest,” said Alexander, co-author of the soon-to-be-published “Terror on the High Seas: From Piracy to Strategic Challenge.” “The international community doesn’t have a coherent, holistic strategy to deal with this.”

Current military efforts have had limited success, security analysts said. In January, the U.S. formed Task Force 151, which uses ships, helicopters and Marine Corps snipers to thwart piracy in the region.

In February, the task force prevented pirates from seizing two vessels. It also responded to the seizure of Phillips’ vessel, the Maersk Alabama, which is operated by Maersk Line, the Norfolk, Virginia-based U.S. unit of Copenhagen-based A.P. Moeller-Maersk A/S.

About 25 warships from the European Union, the U.S., Turkey, Russia, India and China have concentrated their efforts to protect the Gulf of Aden.

In response, the pirates have moved south and further out to sea.

Futility

The capture of the Maersk Alabama, which was hijacked 500 miles south of the Gulf of Aden in the Indian Ocean, shows the futility of concentrating security forces solely at sea, said Neil Livingstone, chairman and chief executive officer of ExecutiveAction LLC, a Washington-based anti-terrorism consultant for businesses.

“It’s a massive area,” he said. “You can’t patrol all of it.”

The region Somali pirates operate in is equal in size to the Mediterranean and Red Seas combined.

The U.S. should take as its model the 1801 decision by then-President Thomas Jefferson to send a naval force to assault the land bases of Barbary pirates, who were extorting money from U.S. merchant ships off Libya’s coast, security analysts said.

The pirates eventually succumbed to a mixture of U.S. military and diplomatic pressure.

Before taking any action, though, the U.S. should come up with a plan so it isn’t caught unprepared like it was during its 1992 Somalia intervention, Carafano said.

“We need to be a little more thoughtful and rational” this time and develop a detailed strategy, he said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aYhvgOfyTmYA

[Dreamer]

to all the gung ho guys.... they just attacked a us congressman at the somali airport


that and they have 14 other vessels in their control... almost 200 people!!!!

[cigdaze]

By Ibrahim Mohamed

MOGADISHU, April 13 (Reuters) - Islamist insurgents fired mortars towards U.S. congressman Donald Payne as he left Somalia after a rare visit by a U.S. official to the anarchic country, police said.

Somalia's capital Mogadishu is one of the most dangerous cities in the world. U.S. officials have avoided travel to the battle-scarred city due to constant fighting between factions there.

"One mortar landed at the airport when Payne's plane was due to fly and five others after he left and no one was hurt," Abukar Hassan, a police officer at Mogadishu airport, told Reuters.

Payne, 74, a New Jersey Democrat, is in his 10th term in the U.S. House of Representatives and was first elected in 1988. He is chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus and of the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Africa and Global Health.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LD454792.htm

Ummm, excuse me, but why the hell is he even there?
Must be one of them negotiating types...

[Dreamer]

trying to set up a government... like iraq and afganistan

[Dreamer]

Sunday's blow to the pirates' lucrative activities is unlikely to stop them, simply because of the size of the vast area — 1.1 million square miles — stretching from the Gulf of Aden and the coast of Somalia. But it could raises tensions in an already lawless area.

"This could escalate violence in this part of the world, no question about it," said Gortney.

A Somali pirate agreed.

"Every country will be treated the way it treats us. In the future, America will be the one mourning and crying," Abdullahi Lami, one of the pirates holding a Greek ship anchored in the Somali town of Gaan, told The Associated Press on Monday. "We will retaliate (for) the killings of our men."

[Chris]

They're no different than all the rest of those 3rd world morons. Saddam saw us go through the fourth-most-powerful standing army in the world like it was a den of Cub Scouts and he still didn't get it.

[fund razor]

Gee, I hope that the normally civilized, peaceful and well-mannered Somalis don't take offense to the REACTION to their illegal action and start attacking people. It would be a shame if this legitimate rescue of a commercial vessel which was attacked "creates" bad will toward the US among anarchists, pirates and warlords in a country with no real law.

[Steve 1]

Ummm, excuse me, but why the hell is he even there?
Must be one of them negotiating types...



"Payne, 74, a New Jersey Democrat, is in his 10th term"
There it is; an example of the worlds most worthless man.

[Ratickle]

"Payne, 74, a New Jersey Democrat, is in his 10th term"
There it is; an example of the worlds most worthless man.

Not even close. Gore's got him hands down......

[Chris]

Shot was from approx. 25 meters. They were towing the liferaft at the time and had just fired a shot at the Navy ship towing them.

As far as the weapon, the SEAL teams employ a number ofg long-range tactical marksman weapons. They range from the M-40 (basically a high-precision bolt action rifle chambered in 7.62) to the M21 (was the M-14 only semi-auto) the SR 25 (rare) or the M-82 (50 cal Barrett) as well as small numbers of other specialized weapons. My guess- the M40.

[fund razor]

Ummm, excuse me, but why the hell is he even there?
Must be one of them negotiating types...

Hey there.... you are Eastern European-American and you have been to Eastern Europe. He's an African-American. He has an interest. :)

[cigdaze]

Hey there.... you are Eastern European-American and you have been to Eastern Europe. He's an African-American. He has an interest. :)Good point, but I didn't use taxpayer money to vacation in Europe. ;)


He is chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus and of the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Africa and Global Health.

[Steve 1]

Hey there.... you are Eastern European-American and you have been to Eastern Europe. He's an African-American. He has an interest. :)

Oh yes the Black Caucus/Supremacists :(Should have Known!

[fund razor]

Good point, but I didn't use taxpayer money to vacation in Europe. ;)

Ok, you got me now. :D

[Roger 1]

I guess then you can't live with Mark?
I'm only about an hour south of Him and I get up an hour earlier in the winter just so I have some extra time to complain about the cold!:mad:

[Ted]

Ummm, excuse me, but why the hell is he even there?
Must be one of them negotiating types...


He was hand delivering 6,500,000 copies of Kumbaya....One of our "Global Contingencies" .

[catastrophe]

When and how did the life raft get hooked to the warship?

[RedDog382]

When and how did the life raft get hooked to the warship?

Negotiators were able to get the pirates to agree to this to "tow them to calmer water". ;)

[Roger 1]

When and how did the life raft get hooked to the warship?


The Navy cleverly disquised some tow lines to look like jumper cables and the pirates hooked themselves up.:D

[Sean Stinson]

When and how did the life raft get hooked to the warship?

I would bet that the pirates had already been shot in the head at that point in time!!!!!

[RedDog382]

I would bet that the pirates had already been shot in the head at that point in time!!!!!


See post #61

[Sean Stinson]

See post #61

I did see it I am not buying it however!!!!

[Dreamer]

the life boat ran outta fuel in the days leading up... think it has some propulsion system... they were then adrift and were hooked up for a day or two... that is when the injured pirate came aboard for med treatment and negotiations

[Steve 1]

This went on for five days.

[RedDog382]

I did see it I am not buying it however!!!!

Consider these modern day Blackbeards ranged between 16 to 19 years old. They were not exactly space shuttle engineers ...

[cuda]

to all the gung ho guys.... they just attacked a us congressman at the somali airport


that and they have 14 other vessels in their control... almost 200 people!!!!

So what would you suggest? Send them home with a cookie and a warning?

[Steve 1]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-pirates14-2009apr14,0,7994401.story

Looks like Zippy played it both ways.

[fund razor]

I read the whole thing, but I don't know who Zippy is.

[03darkshadow]

http://www.slate.com/id/2216031/?GT1=38001

this retard. if someone needs people to go sit on boats and shoot pirates coming aboard i will do it. if someone endangers an american life in hostile waters like this place, then shoot them, they dont deserve to live. i know we should be better then them but nothing will teach them more then just shoot the *******s.

[catastrophe]

Does anyone think the 16-18 year olds get 5 cents of the ransom
We have to whack the leaders of all this crap REAL HARD

Cut the snakes head off.

[catastrophe]

3 more ships taken today

[Dreamer]

Meanwhile, undeterred Somali pirates went on a hijacking spree, brazenly capturing four more ships and taking over 60 crew members hostage in the Gulf of Aden, the waterway at the center of the world's fight against piracy.

Pirates have vowed to retaliate for five colleagues slain by U.S. and French forces in recent hostage rescues — and the top U.S. military officer said Tuesday he takes those comments seriously.

[cuda]

At one bullet per pirate, do you think we will run out of bullets before Somalia runs out of pirates?

[RedDog382]

At one bullet per pirate, do you think we will run out of bullets before Somalia runs out of pirates?

I'm sure if the Seals wanted to play, they could raise the bar and time their shots to take out more than one per round ...

[boatme]

They need rocket launchers on every freighter (yea i know what that means )

[fund razor]

Meanwhile, undeterred Somali pirates went on a hijacking spree, brazenly capturing four more ships and taking over 60 crew members hostage in the Gulf of Aden, the waterway at the center of the world's fight against piracy.

Pirates have vowed to retaliate for five colleagues slain by U.S. and French forces in recent hostage rescues — and the top U.S. military officer said Tuesday he takes those comments seriously.

They have also vowed to die "defending" their waters. I wish them great success with keeping that vow.

Bullies up their talk when they are stood up to, but historically... it's the beginning of the end.

You can call another pirate a "colleague" but that doesn't give him honor.

Yesterday they made an attempt on another US flagged ship (the Liberty Sun) and they ran away before the Bainbridge got there, so this group must not have "vowed" as much as their "colleagues."