fountain 10 meter race boat

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looking for some more info on my new toy. i have the original survey they did it has david knight and ralph johsons name on it. also a copy of the title with jamie coates. who was the b-7 banker boat guy. i am thinking this was there earliest one. it is a time capsule in near perfect condition.

new to me pretty excites about putting it back together. being told it was only run a handful of times. bottom is blueprinted and was rigged by lilly and had griffin power and #3.

going to take my time and do it right. plus i am building on a budget. hopefully some of you guys know the history.

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more pics of the survey stuff

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My first thought would be to ask member Mobilemercman here. (And that was before I saw the TX title.)

Cool boat.

[Bobcat]

Jim's laid up from Surgery on a torn Bicep.

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If I remember my history right, Beckley's first ride was as navigator with Jamie Coates in the banker boat.

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i read that somewhere also

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new to me pretty excites about putting it back together. being told it was only run a handful of times. bottom is blueprinted and was rigged by lilly and had griffin power and #3.

going to take my time and do it right. plus i am building on a budget. hopefully some of you guys know the history.

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Mobilemercman is a mechanic, a former competitor, and owns a 10 meter. I'll bet he is a treasure trove of info.

Hopefully he is feeling better soon.

Again, sweet boat. Thanks for looking out for a piece of offshore history!

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Btw... how complete is it? Do you need to do power/drivetrains?
Edit: Just saw your other thread. Doing power/budget.

How about N/A stroker 540s? Lots of bang/hp for the buck, period authentic, and you could move to blowers later. Assuming tank has returns.

[Ratickle]

Wow, nice!

You must be living right. Last night, well 1:30 AM this morning, I picked Jim, (Mobilemercman), up at the airport and he is staying up here till Monday evening, (with a shoulder brace). Tonight, he is staying at the races in Michigan City with Art and Britt Lilly, we were down there all day today. Tomorrow night he's staying here again.

I'll show the thread to him tomorrow and we can chat about it later.

I'll also see if Art and Britt remember the boat.

If Art rigged and set it up, chances are that both Art and Jim drove the boat.

We should combine the two threads into one.

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Btw... how complete is it? Do you need to do power/drivetrains?
Edit: Just saw your other thread. Doing power/budget.

How about N/A stroker 540s? Lots of bang/hp for the buck, period authentic, and you could move to blowers later. Assuming tank has returns.

that was what i was thinking. i found a real nice pair of #3 working out the shipping now.

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Wow, nice!

You must be living right. Last night, well 1:30 AM this morning, I picked Jim, (Mobilemercman), up at the airport and he is staying up here till Monday evening, (with a shoulder brace). Tonight, he is staying at the races in Michigan City with Art and Britt Lilly, we were down there all day today. Tomorrow night he's staying here again.

I'll show the thread to him tomorrow and we can chat about it later.

I'll also see if Art and Britt remember the boat.

If Art rigged and set it up, chances are that both Art and Jim drove the boat.

We should combine the two threads into one.

i was going to try to get down to the Michigan city race. i ran out of time. i appreciate any info i can get. especially when it would come from some legends of the industry

[Ratickle]

Pics from NoCig's easier to see.

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[Ratickle]

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[Ratickle]

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[Ratickle]

I chatted with Art, Britt, and Jim. Art thinks he did do that boat, but we were looking on my cell phone at your pics while in the pits Sunday. We will work on what we can figure out, and now the pics are large where they are easier to pick out details that may trigger memories.

Jim flew back last night, hopefully he will get a chance to start reviewing later this evening.

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thank you so much. i just bought a set of #3's today. my struggle will be with prop selection. i still cant stop staring at it.

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Hey Guys, I was in Jersey at that time. Rat and I spoke with Art. He had worked on it. That is all he was able to offer at the time just before preparing for event parade. Any way if we add what I know to be true it seems a likely scenario would be Jaime coats bought it as a 540 #3 with race deck before he met Art. However, It is possible Art did actually rig it. Reggie was at that time already build Art raceboats to Arts specs. Sorry could not confirm that. I know The same guy bought the Banker/ Tivoli Boat and had Art Build and rig it as a Skater built Fountain race boat. This looks like what the Heartbeat deck evolved into. I immediately noticed the throttle trim handle and switch arrangement is not would Art have asked for. At the same time the ballast hose on trim tab is classic Art. Brits present boats are the same. Whats not clear is the number is not relevant to anything but local racing.The boat would fit into either B or D class depending on engines and would be larger with a background and or outline around it. The Banker and Heartbeat boats were both B class. B class was oversized 454 for 940 inches I think.


I can't read effective date of David Knights paper. Seems likely it to me it would read 97 . I crewed the Tivoli boat for Jaime Coates and Wyatt Fountain out of Arts Shop in '99. I met David Knight when Reggie put me in it to drive in his first race F2 in Sarasota '99. It was the second Factory built factory to Lightening 38.

[Ratickle]

Pic sent from Jim to add to the above comments. Per Jim:

"This boat was an '86 or '87. It arrived at the Lilly dealership as a 540, #3 fountain built race/pleasure.

It was soon bought, repowered, and raced as a B Class boat. I was with Art when it first arrived. Pic is from "91 or "92 when I first actually drove it."



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i still cant stop staring at it.

Yes sir, Nice find. I'm curious what the pad looks like. It made a great B boat, with 500 something HP it was pretty near unbreakable drive system. I generally think of it as taking about 800 while knowing that is enough to break them. Heartbeat with the B motors would rev at 5800 in the water and entered at 6200 and it would just eat fluctuating between 6200 and 5800 the entire race the day I was asked to fill in as driver.

I'd be staring at it too.

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Yes sir, Nice find. I'm curious what the pad looks like. It made a great B boat, with 500 something HP it was pretty near unbreakable drive system. I generally think of it as taking about 800 while knowing that is enough to break them. Heartbeat with the B motors would rev at 5800 in the water and entered at 6200 and it would just eat fluctuating between 6200 and 5800 the entire race the day I was asked to fill in as driver.

I'd be staring at it too.

i can thank you enough for the info. my drives come in on wed of next week. i still am searching for gimbals,inner plates and steering rams.

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I can see where the bottom of the boat has been worked (blueprinted) its strange because the boat was titled to coates in 1994. then the survey was done for david night in 4/16/97. listing ralph johnson as one of the operators. both names i took off of the boat as throttleman and driver. vessels name is listed as NEVER NUFF.
also stated survey was done at griffin marine. then the boat dissapered until 2007 i dont think it ever raced. otherwise someone would have a pic of it somewhere. feel free to call me anytime 734 363 0410

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made some progress have gimbals mounted. building stainless plates for mounting the steering now. 91223

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man i suck at the pic thing

This help?, Ratickle

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Very nice!

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Came across this transom image of Rock Solid

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some many similarities, drive height even looks the same.