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jj pantera
10-20-2008, 07:18 PM
This is my first post on SOS...and no this does not suck, good job to the founders.

This Sucks

Had to work on a list today with criteria on the reduction in staff for the facility. This will be almost a 20% reduction (27 people), it includes single mom's and people that I have worked with for the past 6 years. I really hope the economy takes a turn in the right direction. Just working out the plan on how we are going to orchestrate the communication without causing a panic.


This Sucks...and very sad.

JJ

MOBILEMERCMAN
10-20-2008, 07:25 PM
Welcome and May some good fortune come your way.

Wrinkleface
10-20-2008, 07:36 PM
This is my first post on SOS...and no this does not suck, good job to the founders.

This Sucks

Had to work on a list today with criteria on the reduction in staff for the facility. This will be almost a 20% reduction (27 people), it includes single mom's and people that I have worked with for the past 6 years. I really hope the economy takes a turn in the right direction. Just working out the plan on how we are going to orchestrate the communication without causing a panic.


This Sucks...and very sad.

JJ

Welcome & hope things change 4 the better 4 everybody!

Dude! Sweet!
10-20-2008, 07:46 PM
This is my first post on SOS...and no this does not suck, good job to the founders.

This Sucks

Had to work on a list today with criteria on the reduction in staff for the facility. This will be almost a 20% reduction (27 people), it includes single mom's and people that I have worked with for the past 6 years. I really hope the economy takes a turn in the right direction. Just working out the plan on how we are going to orchestrate the communication without causing a panic.


This Sucks...and very sad.

JJ

I'm seeing that a lot out here as well. Bad news. Where do people go in this economy...

Buoy
10-20-2008, 07:53 PM
I'm seeing that a lot out here as well. Bad news. Where do people go in this economy...

Wow Sean, your sig line is very appropriate to JJ's post. Those are the people that now are making the list.

jj pantera
10-20-2008, 07:58 PM
I guess you have to look at that the people on the list are on "counseling" (as corporate calls it) for attendance and/or performance. Maybe it's time to make people realize that you really have to work, none the less it impacts peoples lives.

JJ

Tony
10-20-2008, 09:11 PM
Im working on a bit of a troubled employee myself.

We hired a new guy a few months back as a favor to another employee ( a soon to be father in law). This guy now in his late 20s was down on his luck and has a criminal background as a minor and needs work bad because his gf/fiance is pregnant. The GF happens to be the daughter of a longtime employee of mine. The kid is a hard worker but just isnt cut out for this line of work and a lot of his storries dont add up. He was scheduled for a drug test some time ago and came to me with tears in his eyes and told me he couldnt pass one. I gave him 30 days to get clean and take a test, that date was coming up this week. Over the weekend he and his g/f gave birth to a stillborn child.........This is gonna suck!

jj pantera
10-20-2008, 09:20 PM
Tony,

Yeah it is rough you get involved with all the lives of the employees. It's gonna be hard for you. But what do you do??? I guess sometimes you are forced to make choices that impact your life also, like making the right decisions to make sure your employment is secure. Sucks.

fund razor
10-20-2008, 09:20 PM
Oh man...... :(

fund razor
10-20-2008, 09:21 PM
Btw.... JJ Pantera... there is a JJ Apache now lurking. :D

jj pantera
10-20-2008, 09:33 PM
:nopity:Son of a gun

Charter Member???

fund razor
10-20-2008, 09:48 PM
:nopity:Son of a gun

Charter Member???

Someone that I know. Do have pity. :D

Tommy Gun
10-20-2008, 10:08 PM
Is JayBoat in?

Bobcat
10-20-2008, 11:31 PM
JJ pantera seems like a good person,(how she puts up with tim we'll never know):sifone:

JJ Apache
10-21-2008, 09:27 AM
Hey! I'm not lurking! And you should pity me, I have to put up with fund.
enough said.

Bobcat
10-21-2008, 10:43 AM
Hey! I'm not lurking! And you should pity me, I have to put up with fund.
enough said.

yes, that is a tall order:leaving:

JJ Apache
10-21-2008, 06:10 PM
Bobcat,you have no idea! fund & i are like the couple on the baby asprin commercial.
lmao!!!!

Buoy
10-21-2008, 06:28 PM
JJ pantera seems like a good person,(how she puts up with tim we'll never know):sifone:

I've yet to figure it out either. But, I'm damn lucky she does.


Bobcat,you have no idea! fund & i are like the couple on the baby asprin commercial.
lmao!!!!
You're losing me on that one...
Help me out:confused:

Buoy
10-21-2008, 06:34 PM
JJ-P was taking this all a bit rough last night. It's hard, knowing how this is going to affect these peoples lives.
I'm a little more cold hearted than her. But, I spent the summer managing ~25 people in one department. The ones that didn't want to follow the rules and work, well, they didn't like me. So, they began quiting one after another.
The ones that didn't want to work, but needed the job (paycheck) either called in sick (ehem, cough...) or scheduled vacation times that I HAD to approve because of policy. HR didn't really step in to replace the people that quit, because we kind of saw this coming. This meant I was working all the hours to cover people that didn't show to make sure we still met production goals.
My take on it is that they caused it themselves. If they didn't want to show for work in the first place, they don't need to show at all.
I've fortunately moved into a different position in the Co. I couldn't keep going like that much longer.
But, it also makes me wonder just how long my own job is safe.

TSPM
10-21-2008, 06:40 PM
I've fortunately moved into a different position in the Co. I couldn't keep going like that much longer.
But, it also makes me wonder just how long my own job is safe.

No job is safe right now ......... welcome to corporate/private America :cuss:

Buoy
10-21-2008, 06:44 PM
No job is safe right now ......... welcome to corporate/private America :cuss:

You're damn right on that one. Especially us middle-mgmt type guys.

I miss my self employed days. But, at the same time, I had a small General Contracting Co. - not like with the housing market my business would be doing very good there either...

Dude! Sweet!
10-21-2008, 09:26 PM
JJ-P was taking this all a bit rough last night. It's hard, knowing how this is going to affect these peoples lives.
I'm a little more cold hearted than her. But, I spent the summer managing ~25 people in one department. The ones that didn't want to follow the rules and work, well, they didn't like me. So, they began quiting one after another.
The ones that didn't want to work, but needed the job (paycheck) either called in sick (ehem, cough...) or scheduled vacation times that I HAD to approve because of policy. HR didn't really step in to replace the people that quit, because we kind of saw this coming. This meant I was working all the hours to cover people that didn't show to make sure we still met production goals.
My take on it is that they caused it themselves. If they didn't want to show for work in the first place, they don't need to show at all.
I've fortunately moved into a different position in the Co. I couldn't keep going like that much longer.
But, it also makes me wonder just how long my own job is safe.

Tim, I swear, you and I lead parallel lives (finish my 24 and I'll send you the 28 next! :D )

You just told the story of the last 3 years of my job (other than getting out!). It's funny, we were talking about "RIF"s (the gutless corporate term for "layoffs") and one of the guys we were talking about is currently terrified of losing his job... I think there's people who know they're heads are on the block at this point. Unfortunately, I've already ridden off all the bums who worked for me over the past year or so, and now the "average" performers are stepping in front of the cannons...

The other ugly part is when it comes to us. Middle and upper mangagment corporate types. Where are we going to go? I was talking to my wife about it last night. People who've been in a specialized carreer for a long time are really in a nasty spot when they get rolled out the door...

fund razor
10-21-2008, 09:52 PM
You're losing me on that one...
Help me out:confused:

Heck.... I don't even get it.

I told her to chill for a while and get to know some folks.

jj pantera
10-21-2008, 10:01 PM
Went out to dinner tonight with one of the VP's, everyone is avoiding the talks about reduction of staff. Hate to be in the gray area "black or white" is where I like my entire life to be, not always an accomplishment.

JJ

jj pantera
10-21-2008, 10:04 PM
ok...so what the hell is the aspirin commercial??

:confused:

Bobcat
10-21-2008, 11:13 PM
"not tonight fund, I have a headache!" (that is all I can think of):lurk5:

Bobcat
10-21-2008, 11:14 PM
all of those pantera eyes are FREAKING ME OUT MAN!!!!:D

fund razor
10-22-2008, 07:00 AM
Ok... I think that I get it. Once there was an aspirin commercial with a small woman and a large man. That's all that I can think of.

I will work on the obscure reference factor. :D

fund razor
10-22-2008, 07:01 AM
Sorry for the hijack, JJ P.

Chris
10-22-2008, 07:18 AM
No job is safe right now ......... welcome to corporate/private America :cuss:

We have a major problem on our hands right now. We have an entire generation that feels as if they're not only entitled to a job, but are entitled to a cool job that they enjoy and that doesn't interfere with their social and personal lives. Many mom's basements are going to be filling up quickly.

I sort of feel bad for them. Mine were raised without wants. But at the same time, I did my best to teach them about achievment and discipline. Many parents just did the first part-and did their kids no favors. It's been so easy to do well with little effort for so long, it will be interesting to see how our younger generation will dig themselves out of this shift in global economic balance.

Sunsation96
10-22-2008, 08:27 AM
I think the issue with my generation is that they simply have no work ethics, also the get out of college and demand to be at the top of a company and super high salary, I think it is very important to make your children earn thiers like my parents have done, I know what it takes to get ahead, and own a boat:rofl: I just don't get it:( Just my two cents, the older I get the more I get sick of whats going on in this country:( And one more side note when I was younger my friends were given cars from thier parents and I was pissed why not me? now I understand and don't blame my parents one bit for the job they have done...

jj pantera
10-22-2008, 06:10 PM
"not tonight fund, I have a headache!" (that is all I can think of):lurk5:

Now that's funny.......:dupe:

jj pantera
10-22-2008, 06:12 PM
Sorry for the hijack, JJ P.

Don't consider it a HI-JACK

I'm just getting acquainted with everyone

:seeya:

jj pantera
10-22-2008, 06:19 PM
I think the issue with my generation is that they simply have no work ethics, also the get out of college and demand to be at the top of a company and super high salary, I think it is very important to make your children earn thiers like my parents have done, I know what it takes to get ahead, and own a boat:rofl: I just don't get it:( Just my two cents, the older I get the more I get sick of whats going on in this country:( And one more side note when I was younger my friends were given cars from thier parents and I was pissed why not me? now I understand and don't blame my parents one bit for the job they have done...

Same here, and I agree whole heartedly. I started out in the industry I'm in at the age of 19 and made $3.05 an hour. The work ethics today suck.

The Criteria we set for the reduction in staff was any associate with an attendance or performance counseling. They will be gone within the next few weeks. But if you really analyze this, they caused the problem themselves. I realize there are single mom's that may have problems with babysitting and sickness, but I was also a single mom at the age of 22 and I made it my responsibility to have a "back up" sitter in case my daughter was not able to attend daycare due to illness.

People need to take their jobs seriously.

JJ

fund razor
10-22-2008, 08:51 PM
Now that's funny.......:dupe:

Boo... Tim said that you were nice.

You can't bust my nads on post number 13. Boo.

And... btw... I have NEVER heard that, for the record.

jj pantera
10-22-2008, 09:10 PM
Boo... Tim said that you were nice.

You can't bust my nads on post number 13. Boo.

And... btw... I have NEVER heard that, for the record.

I am nice......and take peoples respective into consideration. I sit back analyze and don't make a solid opinion. And then I keep quiet.

But you have to admit......it was funny.

:kiss:

DonziGirl
10-23-2008, 01:02 PM
My mom works with St. Vincent DePaul in Cincinnati as a volunteer. I don't know if any of you have those in your city or not, but they try to help out people who are in need. Since Christmas is coming up, she's received numerous requests for toys. She was telling me that people aren't happy with just getting one or two toys for their kids - they want a LOT of them. Her and I were talking that people just don't have the conversations with their kids any more - "times are tough and we're going to have to do without some things for now. That means you won't be getting many toys for christmas and we have to cut back on our spending" That just doesn't ever seem to happen any longer and people think that they are entitled to a lot of toys, etc when they've done nothing for them.

Chris
10-23-2008, 01:11 PM
I think the issue with my generation is that they simply have no work ethics, also the get out of college and demand to be at the top of a company and super high salary, ...

Not their fault- no more than it was leaving our borders so porous that we practically invited the population of Mexico in to do our cheap labor.

The job market expanded so rapidly that all the clean, English speaking kids got sucked upwards and their jobs got filled with those a step below and so on. I picked celery when I was 12- made 50 cents an hour. My nephew is in his 30's making a nice living off of paper routes. What does that tell you?

Buoy
10-23-2008, 06:08 PM
My nephew is in his 30's making a nice living off of paper routes. What does that tell you?

That he's going to be out of a job soon.
I haven't bought a newspaper in years, unless I wanted to use it to mask something off, or needed something to pack something I was shipping.
Then, with no skills, he'll wonder why he has nothing.

CAPO71
10-23-2008, 06:17 PM
The Post Office is going to downsize with an early out offer, restructure of staff and layoffs, yes layoffs by spring probably.


We are cutting too much for a service company. We need to break even but lately we are lossing way too much money 2 billion plus due to gas prices

Bobcat
10-23-2008, 11:20 PM
The Post Office is going to downsize with an early out offer, restructure of staff and layoffs, yes layoffs by spring probably.


We are cutting too much for a service company. We need to break even but lately we are lossing way too much money 2 billion plus due to gas prices

If the post office lays off there is going to be some shooting involved:svengo:

jj pantera
10-24-2008, 06:01 PM
If the post office lays off there is going to be some shooting involved:svengo:

I was involved in a conversation with one of the managers of how an employee had a heart attack during the communication of the actual reduction actions, but the "postal" thing hadn't come to mind.

:huh:

getchasum111
10-24-2008, 06:05 PM
This is my first post on SOS...and no this does not suck, good job to the founders.

This Sucks

Had to work on a list today with criteria on the reduction in staff for the facility. This will be almost a 20% reduction (27 people), it includes single mom's and people that I have worked with for the past 6 years. I really hope the economy takes a turn in the right direction. Just working out the plan on how we are going to orchestrate the communication without causing a panic.


This Sucks...and very sad.

JJ
what part of Ky are you in....

jj pantera
10-24-2008, 06:16 PM
Hebron.....just outside of Cincinnati

Why getting nervous?????

:bump:

jj pantera
11-10-2008, 10:06 PM
Tomorrow we let go of 13 people, 10% of our staff. Quick meetings scheduled from 11:00 til 12:30 and escort them out the door. The DHL trauma today had everyone in a panic, because we were unsure of how this would affect our shipments. And I'm thinking about all of the oblivious souls that are going to go through the reductions tomorrow. So sad for the economy and how this is going to affect peoples lives.

JJ

Dude! Sweet!
11-10-2008, 10:30 PM
We've got a nut kicking coming down tomorrow too. Bad news for all the stated and implied reasons. As Harold Ballard said when Punch Imlach died, "better him than me" but still really blows. Where do those guys go next?

jj pantera
11-10-2008, 10:38 PM
We've got a nut kicking coming down tomorrow too. Bad news for all the stated and implied reasons. As Harold Ballard said when Punch Imlach died, "better him than me" but still really blows. Where do those guys go next?

......gonna be a long day for both of us. I'm on the team that is actually having the conversations with he associates. Sucks!!

JJ