43 Punisher....what happened?

[Hellbent]

A couple weeks ago I was going through some of the old articles at the site and saw the one on the Checkmate 43 Punisher. I was going to ask what ended up happening with that boat but got distracted by some life stuff for the last week or so. Today I came across it for sale on the Seelye Wright site. What the heck happened? 700sci's??? Judging from the pics, it doesn't look like it got finished to a very high level of detail....

2013 Checkmate 43 Punisher (http://www.seelyewrighttoystore.com/new_galleria.asp?pov=2925760)

[Ratickle]

On the finish detail, what are you questioning?

[SVL66]

last I heard

Checkmate 43 Punisher Tops 85 mph (http://speedonthewater.com/new-boats-engines/848-checkmate-43-punisher-tops-85-mph.html)

[Hellbent]

Well....you asked....lol. The cabin interior....edging, pattern alignment, etc. It all just looks very 80's. Not sure what that design on the bulkhead between the galley and forward berth is supposed to be? Looks like boobs? Cabin headliner panels are sagging. The cockpit rear seat doesn't blend into the sides very well along the top edge...just a butt joint into the corner which doesn't match the radiused cushion area directly beneath it at all. The wiring in the pic with the relays looks like I did it in my garage (I hate wiring). The paint looks great. The galley looks good. Front half of cockpit looks good. The swim platform looks as dated as the cabin. The fire suppression bottle is falling out of it's bracket and about to end up in the bilge. It's severely under-powered. lol...need more? Maybe I'm being too picky with my 1/2 million? ;)

[Hellbent]

Oh...and putting the small external hatch hinges right next to each other rather than using a bigger hinge is screaming 'this is what we had left on the shelf'.

[old377guy]

I rather think its beautiful - hinges notwithstanding

[Hellbent]

Beautiful? Sure. $450k beautiful? You decide.

[Ratickle]

Well, I'll try to take these easy first

[Ratickle]

last I heard

Checkmate 43 Punisher Tops 85 mph (http://speedonthewater.com/new-boats-engines/848-checkmate-43-punisher-tops-85-mph.html)

There is a lot going on since then. The boat was shipped to a performance shop here in West Michigan, they fixed a checklist of items, worked on the props and setup. When they were done the boat had hit 92 and planned off faster and handled better. Thye felt it could possibly hit 100 if they set it up for top speed only.

[Ratickle]

Well....you asked....lol. The cabin interior....edging, pattern alignment, etc. It all just looks very 80's.
Much of the boat was designed to be old school, because of its Apache heritage. Alignment and such, I'll talk with them.

Not sure what that pattern on the bulkhead between the galley and forward berth is supposed to be? Looks like boobs?

:) You're looking at an optical illusion. Those are the floodlights.

Cabin headliner panels are sagging. Well, don't know.

The cockpit rear seat doesn't blend into the sides very well along the top edge...just a butt joint into the corner which doesn't match the radiused cushion area directly beneath it at all. Again, don't know.

The wiring in the pic with the relays looks like I did it in my garage (I hate wiring). I agree it certainly is not the neatest.

The paint looks great. The galley looks good. Front half of cockpit looks good. :)

The swim platform looks as dated as the cabin. Old school, true.

The fire suppression bottle is falling out of it's bracket and about to end up in the bilge.

It's severely under-powered.
I'm not sure I'd agree with that. A 92mph 43 footer, first one made, isn't all that bad with warranteed 700 hp engines and drives. I'm not aware of many others any faster with the same power.

lol...need more? Maybe I'm being too picky with my 1/2 million? ;)

Believe it or not, that is fairly low to average on the prices of new boats in that size with that power.

[Ratickle]

Oh...and putting the small external hatch hinges right next to each other rather than using a bigger hinge is screaming 'this is what we had left on the shelf'.

Yeah, I wondered about that. Don't forget though, this is the biggest boat Checkmate has ever built, and is hull #1.

[Ratickle]

The boat is for sale because it is the first of a possible 5 total that Checkmate has given the dealership owner exclusive sales rights on for their presale/payment of hull #1.

[Ratickle]

Did you read the Inside story we did on the release of the boat?

[Hellbent]

Did you read the Inside story we did on the release of the boat?

Yeah...that's why I was anxious to find out what happened with it.

As far as the old school look goes...nothing on the boat matches the look of the forward berth. It just doesn't work. I'm pretty sure a different guy did that interior than the rest of the interior on the boat. The boobs isn't an optical illusion:

74655

What is that?

While those performance numbers out of a boat that size with those engines may be impressive...this is the first completed 'flagship', right? Isn't that the one you go all out on? It should have at least 1100's in it. Heck...even 850's. Maybe I'm being too hard on it but with the market the way it is right now I predict that boat will be for sale for a while.

[fund razor]

There is no defense for the hinges.
There is no defense for electrical connections swinging in the breeze.

I like patriotic paint schemes, I like Mitcher T designs, but the statue of liberty doesn't work for me.
The boat should be called "Spirit of Ellis Island."

That old silver flat deck cig is amazing, and the silver Pantera looked really good.
But I hate silver/grey vinyl with bright colors. It makes boats look like they were designed by Reebok.
I imagine that the designer of the bolsters had an epiphany while staring at his child's car seat.

[fund razor]

I do like that fact that this new $500,000 stepped boat can't outrun some flat bottom old 28s. ;)

[fund razor]

I don't see a problem with the swim platform. Classic.

[SVL66]

There is a lot going on since then. The boat was shipped to a performance shop here in West Michigan, they fixed a checklist of items, worked on the props and setup. When they were done the boat had hit 92 and planned off faster and handled better. Thye felt it could possibly hit 100 if they set it up for top speed only.

I guess i have some catchin up to do. I'll tell you this though. If i was spending a half mill on a boat, it wouldn't be a checkmate. I'de buy a 2 or 3 year old OL or Cig

[Ratickle]

There is no defense for the hinges.
There is no defense for electrical connections swinging in the breeze.

I like patriotic paint schemes, I like Mitcher T designs, but the statue of liberty doesn't work for me.
The boat should be called "Spirit of Ellis Island."

That old silver flat deck cig is amazing, and the silver Pantera looked really good.
But I hate silver/grey vinyl with bright colors. It makes boats look like they were designed by Reebok.
I imagine that the designer of the bolsters had an epiphany while staring at his child's car seat.

Hey, Reebok designers make Big Big money!!!!!! They're all probably running towards your house right now!!!!

[Ratickle]

I guess i have some catchin up to do. I'll tell you this though. If i was spending a half mill on a boat, it wouldn't be a checkmate. I'de buy a 2 or 3 year old OL or Cig

Well, probably me too, just not one of those two choices. But, compare it to prices on other, similar, new boats (like the new OL or the new Cig of similar size and power). In that group, it is very, very competitive price wise.

[Ratickle]

I do like that fact that this new $500,000 stepped boat can't outrun some flat bottom old 28s. ;)

I think you mean straight bottom, unless you've really modified your bottom!:eek: Oh, I mean your Boat's Bottom, not yours!!!!!:sifone:

[SVL66]

Well, probably me too, just not one of those two choices. But, compare it to prices on other, similar, new boats (like the new OL or the new Cig of similar size and power). In that group, it is very, very competitive price wise.

agreed. however, I think the checkmate will depreciate more and faster than the others. that would be my thinking if I was in the market

[fund razor]

I think you mean straight bottom, unless you've really modified your bottom!:eek: Oh, I mean your Boat's Bottom, not yours!!!!!:sifone:

That's right. Straight bottom.
Flat bottom would be me. :)

[torrent]

Wow! There are some critical people out there. I think you can pick apart every boat on the things you do and don't like about it. I was in the new OL at the Miami show last year my buddy loved it and I wasn't pleased with it at all. However if someone was going to build a brand new boat they would get to do it exactly the way they wanted.

[Ratickle]

Well, it's like chatting with Wrink on his new Nor-Tech. When they reviewed hull number 1 at the Miami show, they made all kinds of improvements to their hull number 2. No one gets everything right the first time.

One of the things on this particular boat, the hull design is Bobby's Chief hull design. The cockpit, deck, and cabin are completly redesigned so it is truly number one when it comes to that.

[fund razor]

I think you can pick apart every boat on the things you do and don't like about it. Exactly. Nothing more, nothing less. I hope nobody is offended by it.

[Offshore Ginger]

There is a lot going on since then. The boat was shipped to a performance shop here in West Michigan, they fixed a checklist of items, worked on the props and setup. When they were done the boat had hit 92 and planned off faster and handled better. Thye felt it could possibly hit 100 if they set it up for top speed only. First off the boat was at CK -Motorsports / Baker Eng .

[Offshore Ginger]

Believe it or not, that is fairly low to average on the prices of new boats in that size with that power. But it is still a CHECKMATE , and Paul from the way i read things Check is trying to turn a Sow's Ear into a silk purse , and the fact of the matter is......................... Check in the past has always been a kinda C the USA IN a Chevrolet at K- Mart prices or the blue light special . Paul & everybody i honestly believe you would find more value in a Sabre made localy which by the way are built like a brick $hit house that most likely will have a better re-sale value and stand the test of time because i personally feel they have more to offer as far as quality goes in there build.

[Offshore Ginger]

The boat is for sale because it is the first of a possible 5 total that Checkmate has given the dealership owner exclusive sales rights on for their presale/payment of hull #1. Well with that in mind due to the overall economics of the country i can almost bet everyone is just jumping on the band wagon to buy one of those slugs ........considering Pete At Skater is clearly stating that is bread & butter at this time is in smaller in-boards in the 30 to 32 foot range http://speedonthewater.com/new-boats-engines/942-smaller-models-driving-skater-catamaran-production.html

[Offshore Ginger]

I guess i have some catchin up to do. I'll tell you this though. If i was spending a half mill on a boat, it wouldn't be a checkmate. I'de buy a 2 or 3 year old OL or Cig Man .................................you are so very right and not to mention that most likely you would be buying a proven hull , with a great power package / drives to boot , and a rig job that most likely is next to non that shows professionalism through out .

[Offshore Ginger]

agreed. however, I think the checkmate will depreciate more and faster than the others. that would be my thinking if I was in the market

:iagree:

[Offshore Ginger]

Over all maybe we should just re name the new Mate skipping the Check all together and calling it **** Mate...................

[Ratickle]

Well, the two to three year old OL, let's go with 5 year old with the same power, would still cost as much, but you would have paid close to double that at the start. So it would have depreciated as much as the Checkmate would cost new.

2007 Outerlimits 42 Legacy $475,000

This 42 Legacy is a beautiful as the day she was delivered new! Low hours on twim Mercury Racing 700/NXT packages! Large cockpit, with lots of walk around room, fully instrumented dash, comfortable seating, lots of storage space, cockpit side cabinets with zipper vinyl doors and removable carpeting. The cabin, guaranteed to impress all who step aboard, is fully carpeted and loaded with amenities such as lacquered composite counters with sink and icebox, spacious enclosed toilet, shower and sink, V-berth and U-lounge seating area. Hidden lighting, flush mount pot lights in the ceiling along with two deck hatches create an intimate mood below.

As for the 2 or three year old Cigarette? Well, exact same issue as it would have been around double that to begin with...

2009 CIGARETTE 42 X High Performance Boats in Somerdale, NJ $425,000

''Just Reduced" Better than new only 75 hours on her twin staggered 700 SCI NXT 1 Drives

This better than new Cigarette 42 X High Performance beauty is loaded with custom features, including one of a kind paint job, 5 blade Herring Prop's, Lip ship edition, cover girl cabin, Smart Craft System, Upgraded Upholstery.

This boat is meticulous in every fashion, owned and operated by a long time Cigarette owner who maintains this beauty with an open checkbook

So, to me you guys are comparing apples and oranges. Or as Artie says, Chevrolets and Mercedes. I cannot speak as to what a Sabre would cost to have built now. I do know the Sunsation 43 powered the same would be about $150,000 more. I think the only new boat in the same size and price range would be the 43 Nor-Tech. Maybe someone will know of more than that.

[Hellbent]

Great thread.... :lurk5:

[Hellbent]

I think I'd rather have this one at $170k:

Used 2004 Cigarette 42 Tiger For Sale | Somerset KY . (http://lakecumberlandmarine.com/used/Cigarette/2004-Cigarette-42+Tiger-f5276bd940463812019bb4481a0e5752.htm)

74666

Now then...is that because I don't have $500k to spend....or because I just like the Cig better? Or....both?

[fund razor]

Of all the Apachalike boats available, I'd prefer a Sabre. I'm in it for the brick chit house.

[Ratickle]

I think I'd rather have this one at $170k:

Used 2004 Cigarette 42 Tiger For Sale | Somerset KY . (http://lakecumberlandmarine.com/used/Cigarette/2004-Cigarette-42+Tiger-f5276bd940463812019bb4481a0e5752.htm)

74666

Now then...is that because I don't have $500k to spend....or because I just like the Cig better? Or....both?

I'm going with both, but don't forget that boat is almost 10 years old and has depreciated over $500,000.

[rschap1]

Anything new outta SABER lately?

That '04 Cig looks like quite a bargain of everything mentioned here.

I think the Punisher is an impressive enough rig. Obviously a big undertaking for Checkmate and a big step, but I will admit it looks like it may have been too big of a leap, and possibly an attempt to make more $$ than they should have grabbed for. I really thought it took them longer than I would have expected for this to hit the water and still looks like a rush job now that it is there. The points made about the cabin and its design are hard to dispute. There's my latest 2 cents:)

[Ratickle]

We should rename this thread the Checkmate Punisher 2 cent thoughts thread....:)

[Ratickle]

As for personal preference, I'm totally partial to the Black Thunder's. Since the very first time I saw Blondin's in Grand Haven until today, I don't think there is a better design/build on the market period. Others would disagree, and I understand that.

As for the Punisher, the layup is better than any Apache built to date from what I know. The combination of the latest types of glass, and the "overbuild" of most of the Apache heritage boats (this one a definite yes from the guys I've chatted with who have been all through it at the factory and up here), may have made this hull the first brick chit house using only the latest types of glass and resins. As for the hull design, this is Bobby's latest, and the handling in both corners, combined with the rough water ride, made believers out of anyone who has ridden in the Saccenti Marine (Chief) hull with him (check out the thread from Michigan City a couple years ago).

[fund razor]

I really like the Black Thunder offerings in the 43-46 range too. I would own one. Gladly.
In fact... should my engines outlast my hull for any reason... I'd look for an unpowered BT.

[fund razor]

As for the Punisher, the layup is better than any Apache built to date from what I know. The combination of the latest types of glass, and the "overbuild" of most of the Apache heritage boats (this one a definite yes from the guys I've chatted with who have been all through it at the factory and up here), may have made this hull the first brick chit house using only the latest types of glass and resins. As for the hull design, this is Bobby's latest, and the handling in both corners, combined with the rough water ride, made believers out of anyone who has ridden in the Saccenti Marine (Chief) hull with him (check out the thread from Michigan City a couple years ago).We covered some "cons." That is a strong point in the "pros" column for the boat.

[old377guy]

Maybe this boat should be called a "ChiefMate" and pull some of Bobby's cachet into the line:sifone:

[Offshore Ginger]

In regards to post # 40 why not in lighten all of us.......... as to what are the latest fabrics and resins that they used in there build and was the boat even vacummed bagged ,and Paul for some odd reason when it comes to this boat you always seem to be the knight in shining Armour defending it to the death !!! Paul , the bottom line is .......................it is what it is a brand new Check with brand new flaws or proplems that should have been addressed prior to even leaving the factory, and to think that a project of this size has really made a poor showing for a new model because i would think that they or any other manufacture out there putting together a project of this size and magnitude would really want to knock everybody out........ with its first overall showing or should i say WOW the masses in the industry and potential future customers . Just my 2 cents which is three cents short of a nickel .

[Offshore Ginger]

Paul as for the layup on the Punisher just curious who is telling you that it is better then any Apache built to date because in the past the layup schedule at Check has really been piss poor and now you are telling us that they are building a better boat hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm gotta tell yah when it comes to selling or buying an older Apache i think the re-sale value will hold its own opposed to the Check thumbs down .

[phragle]

As for personal preference, I'm totally partial to the Black Thunder's. Since the very first time I saw Blondin's in Grand Haven until today, I don't think there is a better design/build on the market period. Others would disagree, and I understand that.

As for the Punisher, the layup is better than any Apache built to date from what I know. The combination of the latest types of glass, and the "overbuild" of most of the Apache heritage boats (this one a definite yes from the guys I've chatted with who have been all through it at the factory and up here), may have made this hull the first brick chit house using only the latest types of glass and resins. As for the hull design, this is Bobby's latest, and the handling in both corners, combined with the rough water ride, made believers out of anyone who has ridden in the Saccenti Marine (Chief) hull with him (check out the thread from Michigan City a couple years ago).

What about this one ....... Chief Factory Race Team (http://chiefventurecup.com/index-7.html) not dogging the checkmate, but isnt it pulled from the chief mold when the man himself is finishing up a new chief??

[Ratickle]

Yes, same mold. When the Checkmate was completed, that hull was started as soon as the molds were shipped to the secret location for Bobby to oversee the build...... And that one will be the first built with the Cabon/Kevlar layup.


I cannot wait for that one to hit the water and hear the numbers. Especially with the Wizard himself dialing it in!!!!!!

[Ratickle]

Any old boat, with the depreciation already taken, would obviously hold their value versus any new boat. Especially an Apache.

[boatme]

The boat is for sale because it is the first of a possible 5 total that Checkmate has given the dealership owner exclusive sales rights on for their presale/payment of hull #1.

So is the dealer planning on exercising that right for 5 boats? Would be interested to hear his answer on this. I think it would tell alot about his feelings on what he has recived

[Ratickle]

I'm sure it will be a one at a time plan. When he sells this one, the next will be started etc. (unless there is a pre-sale).

[rschap1]

I am a little curious now too...
the speeds were higher than the original due to lighter weight
and I can even follow that line of logic
but now its way overbuilt and heavy duty
newer materials allow both of these at the same time?
new stuff is that much better??

Stuff I know nothing about, so I AM just asking, not stirring
:)
THANKS
:)

[Ratickle]

The differences between the new bi and tri directional glass versus the old mat and glass is incredible as far as strength goes (this is not including the new kevlar and carbon weaves). Plus the addition of the new epoxy's versus the old polyesters Some of the "potato chip" race boats built for speed, you can flex the sides. And yet they are probably still as strong as an older "brick chithouse" boat.

This particular Check used the new materials, but "over" built it. You would not believe some of the difference in thickness between an older Pantera or Apache versus a new Outerlimits or MYI. So yes, a stronger boat can be lighter depending on layup and material. The guys I've talked with at the factory, and those who have reviewed it since, say it is "Extremely Strong" and well built.

As for some of the other stuff, I have zero issue with talking about the layout, design, or obvious issues which could be improved on. I do get pretty "involved" when someone who has never seen a particular boat, driven that boat, crawled through that boat, or rode on that boat tells everyone that it is not a good piece of equipment. Especailly when the guys who have done all of those things say the opposite.

This is not some of the other forums where we exist just for the number of members we can entice by sensationalistic garbage similar to the National Enquirer. We exist to help performance boaters and enhance the sport.

Jumping down off the box now.....

[Offshore Ginger]

Great question and with that in mind i think Paul should answer that one considering we all have been left in some sort of a shaded area seeing that everything seems to be a secret .............from the location of the molds ~ once again being shiped to a secret location , etc etc or should i say why bother posting anything ..because it is a secret , and Paul could you please fill us in on the new and better layup schedule as mentioned in a previous post .

[Wreckdoctor]

Any old boat, with the depreciation already taken, would obviously hold their value versus any new boat. Especially an Apache.

On that note Paul., take into consideration the first mohican, the one and only chief , everyone's read the negative press,blah blah blah, I've had the pleasure to run it since it's been at performance boat center at loto, as you know I'm a huge apache fan, the chief crushes loto slop like no other, it handles like it's on rails, and with 950s, Brett has been playing with props, and it is knocking on triple digits for top end. The boat is basically new, has nothing but bada$$ equipment on it, and can be had for what in my opinion is a deal for what your getting, the bad press on the boat is unfortunate, in my opinion it's a great boat,
I love the ride of this hull design, is it as fast as a 42 legacy, no, but if your looking for old school cool in a new package, this hull design is in my opinion top notch, Bobby took an old idea and definitely made it better......

[Hellbent]

Well....if I have something to say, chances are I'm going to say it....lol. Political correctness has never been my thing. I think I pointed out some fairly obvious and noteworthy flaws in the design/build. I didn't know much about the boat until I read the article here at the site from back in February when the boat was being painted. It looked great but was just a hull. Admittedly, I never really cared much for Checkmate hull designs but I was pretty excited to see what they would do with this...especially after reading the article. I LOVE the Apache's and the thought of a proven, industry leading hull design combined with some modern technology was pretty darn exciting. Perhaps I expected too much because I was pretty disappointed in some aspects of the final product. I think they missed the mark that they set for the boat. While it's performance numbers may impress some, I was looking for the whole package out of their new flagship. At that price they have some pretty solid competition in the marketplace. I think they'll need to step it up if they hope to sell any of these. Sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings.....it's just my opinion and you know what they say about those.

[Ratickle]

Great question and with that in mind i think Paul should answer that one considering we all have been left in some sort of a shaded area seeing that everything seems to be a secret .............from the location of the molds ~ once again being shiped to a secret location , etc etc or should i say why bother posting anything ..because it is a secret , and Paul with out calling your buds at Check for the proper information could you please fill us in on the new and better layup schedule as mentioned in a previous post .

That's up to them if they want to give away the new layup they used on the Punisher, not me. I'm not positive they would. They did a lot of research on it before building the boat.

[Ratickle]

Well....if I have something to say, chances are I'm going to say it....lol. Political correctness has never been my thing. I think I pointed out some fairly obvious and noteworthy flaws in the design/build. I didn't know much about the boat until I read the article here at the site from back in February when the boat was being painted. It looked great but was just a hull. Admittedly, I never really cared much for Checkmate hull designs but I was pretty excited to see what they would do with this...especially after reading the article. I LOVE the Apache's and the thought of a proven, industry leading hull design combined with some modern technology was pretty darn exciting. Perhaps I expected too much because I was pretty disappointed in some aspects of the final product. I think they missed the mark that they set for the boat. While it's performance numbers may impress some, I was looking for the whole package out of their new flagship. At that price they have some pretty solid competition in the marketplace. I think they'll need to step it up if they hope to sell any of these. Sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings.....it's just my opinion and you know what they say about those.

The observations you have made are accurate. No problem....

[Ratickle]

I only disagree on the underpowered part....

[Hellbent]

I only disagree on the underpowered part....

I understand. Going fast isn't for everyone. lol :driving:

[Ratickle]

I understand. Going fast isn't for everyone. lol :driving::smash::smash::smash:

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

For the most part everyone goes as fast as the can afford.

[Hellbent]

In search of a lifestyle sponsor. Preferably female. lol

[baronmarine]

ok since this thread was started, i just have to ask. i've been wondering this for sometime now and talked to many apache guys about this. if the chief is running 97-98ish with 950's, how in heck can they get 92 out of the check with 700's ? it does not add up. just my 2 cents. that line was for you paul.

todd

[baronmarine]

ok since this thread was started, i just have to ask. i've been wondering this for sometime now and talked to many apache guys about this. if the chief is running 97-98ish with 950's, how in heck can they get 92 out of the check with 700's ? it does not add up. just my 2 cents. that line was for you paul.

todd

[rschap1]

Sounds like today's more advanced materials allow a far stronger boat to be built with a huge weight savings.
Must be enough weight has been cut to allow the speed with lesser horsepower.
I think things were shifted around a little too, correct?
Wasn't the cockpit layout revised ?
Helm shifted forward from the original ?
Guessing that may have altered the center of gravity and balance of the boat...maybe a bonus too?

[Offshore Ginger]

rschap1, seeing that know one has come foruth at this point in time discussing a layup schedule or weather or not the boat was bagged which would make a hugh difference in the layup ( weight) opposed to a traditional hand layup regardles of the fabric being used and once again like i mentioned in a previous post check in the past has somewhat been notorious for not having that nice of a layup and paul can you refresh are memory on what the dry weight of the boat actually is and was there ever a mention on what resin was used for the build ? :(

[Offshore Ginger]

ok since this thread was started, i just have to ask. i've been wondering this for sometime now and talked to many apache guys about this. if the chief is running 97-98ish with 950's, how in heck can they get 92 out of the check with 700's ? it does not add up. just my 2 cents. that line was for you paul.

toddTodd , that is a very interesting point ! :)

[Ratickle]

Chief is one heavy azz boat!!!!!!

[Ratickle]

http://www.seriousoffshore.com/forums/dock/10228-what-ever-happened-chief-boat.html

[baronmarine]

last i heard it was in chicago. guy owned the only vented 41' apache also.

todd

[Ratickle]

last i heard it was in chicago. guy owned the only vented 41' apache also.

todd

That was a link to click on....:)

[boatme]

Yes I think it is still ownd by the Grady's

Scott Grady has the Apache "Only Rumors" and was the owner of Chief powerboats with his brother Daryl They still have some type of ownership of both the first chief and the chief molds The story has been told enough about these clowns

There is a reason they still have the Chief in there laps

[Hellbent]

Well I just so happened to come across it last night:

Performance Boat Brokerage | 2006 Apache 42 Chief Warrior (http://performanceboatcenter.com/boat_detail.asp?boat_id=406)

I'd trade 'em for the Chris-Cat ;)

[Hellbent]

Only rumors has been for sale for a while there too:

Performance Boat Brokerage | 1989 Apache 41 (http://performanceboatcenter.com/boat_detail.asp?boat_id=424)

[fund razor]

Yes I think it is still ownd by the Grady's

Scott Grady has the Apache "Only Rumors" and was the owner of Chief powerboats with his brother Daryl They still have some type of ownership of both the first chief and the chief molds The story has been told enough about these clowns

There is a reason they still have the Chief in there laps

I have always thought that you should own it. You have more seat time in it than anybody, and are the world's leading expert on the boat. Wherever a reference to it surfaces, there you are.
It just makes sense. You are meant to be together. :)

[fund razor]

Does anybody find Only Rumors to be an attractive boat?

[Hellbent]

Future me says.....the new owner is color blind.

[fund razor]

LOL. Future me says... it went for cheap. :)

[boatme]

Wow who put a stick up you azz Now i remember why i quit frequenting here GOOD BY

[fund razor]

Wow who put a stick up you azz Now i remember why i quit frequenting here GOOD BY

Who me? I totally associate you with that boat.
Am I the only one?

[fund razor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKPrLUCdeao Always loved this video.

[Ratickle]

It's a really cool boat.

[fund razor]

It's a really cool boat.

One of the coolest ever. It needs to go to someone who loves it.
It would be nice for it to get its "forever" home. :)

[Ratickle]

There are four hulls total, that I know of, currently out of that mold. The two I know of, the Punisher and the Chief are both boats that crush waves like an old school Apache, have better speed because of the step design, and also corner like a straight Vee because of the steep reverse chine. I cannot wait for Bobby's latest one to see testing and get the results.

And you are right, but maybe worded a bit Bidenish:sifone: , it would be really cool if Marc ended up with Mohican someday. He bled more drops of blood on that than the guys who built it and owned it.

[fund razor]

Did I upset him? I figured that he would laugh or say "yeah, maybe you are right."

Maybe I read some things wrong over the years.

Anyway... if I had the coin, I would adopt that puppy in a heartbeat. I have a soft spot for certain boats.
That boat is way up on that list.

[fund razor]

You know what? I forgot to use a smiley.
That's is probably what happened.

Needed this: :) :)
Or maybe one of these: :cheers2:

or a: :biggrinjester:

[Ratickle]

I've done that a few times!!!! :eek:

[jetcruzr]

Although the Chief "First Mohican" as well as the Checkmate "Punisher" have seen plenty of criticizm, I would drop what I was doing in a heartbeat, to go for a ride on either one of them. I have always wanted to see the Mohican in person. I did manage to catch a quick look at the Punisher while it was under construction, and it looked pretty tough! I am really looking forward to seeing how this hull design performs in the Cowes - Monte Carlo race next year!

[baronmarine]

btw: that is boatme/marc in the back in the video.

todd

[Hellbent]

It's a really cool boat.

Man...I dig that boat!

[Ratickle]

A road trip to LOTO and you could probably drive it....... (Or bring it back home here)

[Ratickle]

Well....you asked....lol. .....................Not sure what that design on the bulkhead between the galley and forward berth is supposed to be? Looks like boobs? ..........................

Well, I know almost everything you've mentioned has been corrected. And, after much speculation, I've decided boobs was the correct answer.....:sifone: