Either sell my Bertram Competition 38' or make into a 5 seater with bigger power

[Bertram38]

Took my Bertram out this past weekend on the st johns river with some peeps. Well being that my B38 is the organel race setup for 3 people makes it kinda hard to do anything. poker runs are just fine, but then there is always the 4th person. So last weekend kinda pissed me off to either SELL or move the dash forward 4 feet and create a 5 seat bad boy. buckets and center console like the red/white bertram would be awesome.
Kinda lost currently.
Your thoughts are welcome you all.

maybe a trade???,
Bertram 38

[Ratickle]

Well, gonna sound crazy, but I'd do a two seat "trundle/bow-rider", in front of the current setup, with removable hard covers.

Do you have a direct top shot? If so, I could lay it out like I mean. But just think of the trundle seat in an old Ford, combined with the bowrider set-up being used a lot on performance Vee's on the West Coast. With the "Trundle" closed, looks just like now, with it open, two more seats.

Then put a snapon cushion on each side of the hatch scoops, so the girl in the red bikini, and at least one of her friends, have room to stretch out....

[Ratickle]

It would look kinda like this with the two hatch-trundles flipped open...

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww310/ptrose/Misc%20and%20Personal%20Boats/BertramTrundlemod1.jpg

[TUCK646]

Killer Bert, sounds like you grown /growing out of it. Rat's idea is an interesting idea, personally i don't think i would /could hack into (THAT)boat, I'd buy / build something else and keep the Bert for yourself.If thats not an option,love it enough to let it go. Just my opinion.

gonna be a tough choice.

[Bertram38]

Ratickle, cool thought. I would rather be in front then behind the idiot passengers. I would would be wearing all the bear and cig butts. LOL

Remember the red white Bertram. dash was moved forward with a wind screen. Love the seating and center console. sweet.:hurray:

[Ratickle]

Now do those passengers really look like idiots????:toetap05:



And smokers get the ejection button!

[Ratickle]

How are your bulkheads and stringer arrangement for doing the move?

[Bobcat]

Don't cut that boat !

[fund razor]

Ratickle, cool thought. I would rather be in front then behind the idiot passengers. I would would be wearing all the bear and cig butts. LOL

Remember the red white Bertram. dash was moved forward with a wind screen. Love the seating and center console. sweet.:hurray:

Is that a staggered?

I also vote for trading/selling rather than cutting. But agree that Paul's imagination is creative.

[Bertram38]

no hurry for now, just need that deck hardware from ratickles photo. bigger power is still ok by all i see. hmmm.

[Bertram38]

Yes Staggered

Is that a staggered?

I also vote for trading/selling rather than cutting. But agree that Paul's imagination is creative.

[lucky strike]

Give Phil a call. Mabe he would like to have it back.

[rchevelle71]

It would look kinda like this with the two hatch-trundles flipped open...

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww310/ptrose/Misc%20and%20Personal%20Boats/BertramTrundlemod1.jpg

COOL, and it even comes with triplets:reddevil:

[Bertram38]

He stated a few years back that he wish he could have NNIII back. but he is retired and taking life easy.
Sure would be cool though.
Kurt

[Ratickle]

Maybe Rich and Phil could take it for a shakedown test?:)

[NNRT]

Hey Steve ! - um.... a thought - but NO THANKS - It is always the problem with a single purpose boat - Race Boat - problem with taking others out for a ride- or selling it too- In today's market - am sure it would be difficult to sell - We all go through stages in our lives, that was one of them - after building a factory in the Bahamas and seeing the Bahamas 500 back in 1970 - it got me interested -- then came the Video gig - that too was fun - great perch - fun to do as well - even that has passed too - Now its Memories, of events, and people ! What ever you decide to do Kurt - just do it - enjoy the unique hull -you have one of what - 12 built - something like that - think its the last of the plain fiberglass hulls too -

Hi again to Steve - Maida too - "let me ask her a question " - be well all of you - PHIL

[Bertram38]

Hi Phil

Good to hear you are doing well. thanks for the words, I plan on changing the deck to match the red Bertram. Completely usable in all fashions.
She will never be in competition again. But sure will be fun in poker runs with FOUR People. not 3. I can use her more than just a retired race boat.
Plus updateing will help in overall performance and comfort. OOOPs forgot SAFETY first.




Hey Steve ! - um.... a thought - but NO THANKS - It is always the problem with a single purpose boat - Race Boat - problem with taking others out for a ride- or selling it too- In today's market - am sure it would be difficult to sell - We all go through stages in our lives, that was one of them - after building a factory in the Bahamas and seeing the Bahamas 500 back in 1970 - it got me interested -- then came the Video gig - that too was fun - great perch - fun to do as well - even that has passed too - Now its Memories, of events, and people ! What ever you decide to do Kurt - just do it - enjoy the unique hull -you have one of what - 12 built - something like that - think its the last of the plain fiberglass hulls too -

Hi again to Steve - Maida too - "let me ask her a question " - be well all of you - PHIL

[Ratickle]

I know there are not many pictures, but wasn't Sopwith's 400 (Double-O-Seven) boat that burned in the race when Vincenzo saved them a 38 competition with front and back seats? In that story we did on Vincenzo's passing there was a pic, but that may be one of very few.

[NNRT]

The only 38 Bertram that I know of - that had 4 place config. was the German guys - Think it was Oskar Trost - boat name was WD-40-
Phil

[Ratickle]

Thanks Phil. Tommy's may not have been a Bertram.


Here's Oskar's 4 seater though... (Thanks Charlie)

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww310/ptrose/Misc%20and%20Personal%20Boats/BertramOskar4Seater.jpg

[Bertram38]

Phil, where is this WD 40 boat at. First I ever seen of that one. cool layout. But the windshield gives me a great idea. cool picture though. Awesome.
B38

[Ratickle]

How much farther forward are the two front seats than yours currently? I can't tell very well.

At least you'd have a true 38 Competition to copy the original.


http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww310/ptrose/Misc%20and%20Personal%20Boats/BertramOskar4Seater.jpg

[Bertram38]

First one I seen with a four seater. Cool, she looks about 3 feet longer in overall cockpit opening. I belive bertram had many layouts, expecially the dash setups and hatches.
I need more photos of the wd-40 Bertram. anybody out there have more pictures of deck and cockpit.
Thanks
B38



How much farther forward are the two front seats than yours currently? I can't tell very well.

At least you'd have a true 38 Competition to copy the original.


http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww310/ptrose/Misc%20and%20Personal%20Boats/BertramOskar4Seater.jpg

[littlenige]

Sell it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe someone with the cash can restore it to a classic racing livery from the 70's?

[OneBadInjun]

Sell it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe someone with the cash can restore it to a classic racing livery from the 70's?
I agree.

[Ratickle]

Kurt's boat is about as well restored to the original classic that Phil owned as it can possibly be already.

Restoration Project: Bertram Competition 38 (http://speedonthewater.com/boat-restorationsprojectsupgrades/340-restoration-project-bertram-competition-38.html)

[TUCK646]

For the the love of Dick! !,please refer to the first four words of the very first reply, Ratickles sub conscious, spoke first. Phil W/ what, 1 of 12 hulls ,Bobcat, beat around the bush a little, but he meant well !!
Were not. going to beg, but then again we might.
Biketoberfest is coming up. I'll be one of the guys wearing the PLEASE DON'T CUT THAT BERT COMP 38 shirt.
Rat ? can you make this a sticky? ,

[Ratickle]

Well, did you make a decision?

One thing I guess I worry about, the boats need to be used. If Kurt can modify the boat into a 4, 5, or 6 passenger, and duplicate the WD-40 Competition from the factory, I say go for it. Cool boats sitting around, and not being used, don't mean a whole lot to me.

[TUCK646]

point noted,good point as well.

like it enough to let it go,
buy it/build it a big/little ,sister/brother , keep it in the family.

[TUCK646]

confuseses say ,if you have others figure out for ya ,ya still havent quite figured out.


Confuseus talked alot of ship¡

[Hellbent]

Cool boats sitting around, and not being used, don't mean a whole lot to me.

Oh really? lol

[TUCK646]

the next cool boat lying around c

ould be yours if you buy it

[Ratickle]

Man, finding more pics of the WD 40 boat is rough:banghead:

[old377guy]

confuseses say ,if you have others figure out for ya ,ya still havent quite figured out.


Confuseus talked alot of ship¡
Confusious also say "Witch who fry upside down on broomstick..........have hairy crack up"

[Bertram38]

You guys just kill me. HAIRY CRACK UP

[Ratickle]

Oh really? lol

That's mean.....:leaving:

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

Cool boats sitting around, and not being used, don't mean a whole lot to me.


Oh really? lol



That made me chuckle.


I would not change the boat. The world is full enough of chopped up, updated, turned into something they are not boats.

[Ratickle]

Yeah, yeah, chuckle away.......


I think I would try to sell it to someone who would maintain it in its current condition first. But, if not, I'd redo it into a 4 seat copy of WD-40. (I still haven't found that boat).

[olli]

Man, finding more pics of the WD 40 boat is rough:banghead:


Yeah, yeah, chuckle away.......


I think I would try to sell it to someone who would maintain it in its current condition first. But, if not, I'd redo it into a 4 seat copy of WD-40. (I still haven't found that boat).

I don't know if Platinum Powerboats are still alive. If they are, try to contact Mr. Andreas Trost there. He is Dr. Oskar Trost's son and should have more pics of Miss WD40. He told me years ago that he still owns a 38 Competition but I'm not sure if it is Miss WD40.

[Bobcat]

Thanks Olli !


Get on it Paul !:leaving:

[topprop]

I had five in my boat all the time. I loved the larger cockpit. Kurt I think you have done wonders with that boat. If moving the helm + all the glass work + paint work isn't to much I think it will make the boat much more fun for you. As you know I have a three stand now and it is an odd number so I feel the pain. Your far more hands on with that stuff than I am hence if you can do the work I think you will find a new love for the boat. My 2c. btw I'll send you that jpeg file of my old boat you asked for. Peace brother.
Hi Phil

Good to hear you are doing well. thanks for the words, I plan on changing the deck to match the red Bertram. Completely usable in all fashions.
She will never be in competition again. But sure will be fun in poker runs with FOUR People. not 3. I can use her more than just a retired race boat.
Plus updateing will help in overall performance and comfort. OOOPs forgot SAFETY first.

[Ratickle]

I don't know if Platinum Powerboats are still alive. If they are, try to contact Mr. Andreas Trost there. He is Dr. Oskar Trost's son and should have more pics of Miss WD40. He told me years ago that he still owns a 38 Competition but I'm not sure if it is Miss WD40.

Did you try to get ahold of Andreas? Or do you want me to try to track him down if I can?

[Bertram38]

Please, that would help speaking with him. all photos are great.
Thanks
B38

Did you try to get ahold of Andreas? Or do you want me to try to track him down if I can?

[Bertram38]

Her is the photo of the year for my end result for a cockpit. differant colors of course.

[Bertram38]

Oh yeah, I will use bucket seats and have a walk way between the seats. also sticks on the side not in the center.

[Ratickle]

Working on it.

[platinum]

Did you try to get ahold of Andreas? Or do you want me to try to track him down if I can?

Paul did track me down...

My Dad had the 38 Bertram "WD-40" built. It was his second Bertram raceboat. She was sold in the mid 70's. I have not seen her since, but heard some disturbing rumors about her...

Several years ago I was looking for "WD-40", but did not find her. I found and bought another one instead, the "Vincentive" originally owned by Vince Fasano and throttled by Sammy James. That boat had a 2-man cockpit.

I personally think that a 3-man side-by-side cockpit is tight on a 38 Bertram, due to the shape of the deck. I like the setup of the WD-40 best, but I would not change your boat. It is a rare classic, one of the all time great offshore boats. Keep her original and preserve the value. One day you will be happy that you did. These days a butchered up Can-Am car does not have anywhere close to the value of an original one. Neither a Can-Am car, nor a 38 Bertram has much utility value. Respect her for what she truly is and she should give you lots of joy.

If you truly want 4 or more seats, it might be better to find a less rare and more "accommodating" boat to begin with.

All the best,

Andreas

[Ratickle]

Hey Andreas, it was great chatting with you. Thanks for chiming in, really appreciate it.


We need to get started on finding your father's boat, the WD-40, if at all possible. I'll start a thread with what you told me, and we'll see if there are things to add and what we can shake out of the trees....

[Bertram38]

Saturday dropoff at Will Smith for Modifications. awesome, finally some room to chase my ole lady around and have sex. lol

[Bertram38]

Paul did track me down...

My Dad had the 38 Bertram "WD-40" built. It was his second Bertram raceboat. She was sold in the mid 70's. I have not seen her since, but heard some disturbing rumors about her...

Several years ago I was looking for "WD-40", but did not find her. I found and bought another one instead, the "Vincentive" originally owned by Vince Fasano and throttled by Sammy James. That boat had a 2-man cockpit.

I personally think that a 3-man side-by-side cockpit is tight on a 38 Bertram, due to the shape of the deck. I like the setup of the WD-40 best, but I would not change your boat. It is a rare classic, one of the all time great offshore boats. Keep her original and preserve the value. One day you will be happy that you did. These days a butchered up Can-Am car does not have anywhere close to the value of an original one. Neither a Can-Am car, nor a 38 Bertram has much utility value. Respect her for what she truly is and she should give you lots of joy.

If you truly want 4 or more seats, it might be better to find a less rare and more "accommodating" boat to begin with.

All the best,

Andreas

Look at post 44 and see one of the origanel bertram layouts. I plan on the same result and stick with period correct interior and deck.
This shall not hurt the value of my B38 just help it.

[Ratickle]

Will does really good work. I can't wait to watch the progress....

[Ratickle]

Look at post 44 and see one of the origanel bertram layouts. I plan on the same result and stick with period correct interior and deck.
This shall not hurt the value of my B38 just help it.

Are you still planning on having the walk-through between the back seat and front?

[Bertram38]

Yes, but need to see how layout works when done. Pictures will follow.

[Ratickle]

Can't wait....:drool5:

[AcryliCo]

Whatever happened to this boat? did it get chopped?

[Bertram38]

Whatever happened to this boat? did it get chopped?


OUCH Chopped is a hard word. :cheers2:

OK all the Glass work is done, interior from PPI Inc' will be completed next few weeks. then I rig gauges and steering and all the other crap that is inside cockpit. HMmmmmmm wonder what it looks like... Tried to upload, took forever to load. cancelled

[Ratickle]

The picture upload timed out? Maybe it was too large. Want to email it to me?

[Ratickle]

Got it, thanks...

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww310/ptrose/Misc%20and%20Personal%20Boats/Bertramremodel025.jpg (http://s730.photobucket.com/user/ptrose/media/Misc%20and%20Personal%20Boats/Bertramremodel025.jpg.html)

[Ratickle]

Looking really good.....

[Bertram38]

Hope U all like it. Kurt

[Bertram38]

PPI interiors did the Quality work down here in Sunny Florida. (Sarasota).

[Bobcat]

Hope U all like it. Kurt

Looks great !!!

[old377guy]

Great to see!

[Ratickle]

Looks Sweet Kurt!!

[Bertram38]

thanks. lets see if I can finish this spring.??????

[Ratickle]

I can't wait to see the finished product.

[Serious News]

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http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/pete454/2015%20Space%20Coast%20Grand%20Prix/AQ5T5339_zpsetmmguik.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/pete454/media/2015%20Space%20Coast%20Grand%20Prix/AQ5T5339_zpsetmmguik.jpg.html)