SVL General Competition Clause in APBA/OSS/OPA

[Ratickle]

Here is the clause I was referencing in the post on the Work thread, so that thread doesn't get all muddied up. I believe the OPA clause is identical, but it has not been updated on their site yet.

APBA OFFSHORE SUPER VEE LITE CLASS

All Super Vee Lite (SVL) boats must adhere strictly to the following specifications along with the general rules pertaining to all APBA Offshore classes.

1. Hull Weights and Dimensions:
Hull type: Monohull
Length minimum 26' 0"
Length maximum overall: 32' 0"
Length maximum bow to transom 30’-0”
Beam minimum: 6’-6”
Beam maximum: 8' 6"
Number of engines: 1
Weight minimum, Single Step Hulls 4750 lbs
Weight minimum, Multi Step Hulls 5250 lbs **

** Multi Step Hulls with sealed engines minimum weight shall be 5250 lbs at the first APBA Offshore
race and then may be adjusted for parity by APBA Offshore at future races.

It is understood that other offshore sanctioning bodies have approved the use of un-sealed engines
and the use of aftermarket parts. For the 2012 season, any un-sealed engine that is considered
legal for competition in another generally recognized offshore sanctioning body in a similar class
may compete as a legal entry in the APBA Super Vee Lite Class with an additional 250 lb. weight
penalty. This penalty is in addition to any other weight penalties prescribed by these rules or
assessed as a parity measure. All other rules of the class must be adhered to except as noted below.

Thus, single step hulls with un-sealed engines must weigh a minimum of 5000 lbs. post-race and
multi-step hulls with un-sealed engines must weigh a minimum of 5500 lbs. post-race.

Notwithstanding, Sections 2, 3, 4, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 and 23 of the rules for the APBA Super Vee Lite
Class do NOT apply to entries with un-sealed engines. Additional parity measures may be levied
on any entry based on their performance at any event.

It pretty much allows any organizations legal SVL to go through inspection with the changes I mentioned. They are;

1.5 ratio drive if they were running the 1.65
Prop diameter no larger than 15 5/8
Prop pitch no greater than 30"
Drive height rule is the same, 1/2" below aft running surface
Stock ECM not to exceed 5450 RPM
Add 250 lbs if the boat had not passed inspection by APBA/OSS/OPA
Add 250 lbs if it were an unsealed motor
Add 250 lbs if it were a multi-step design


SVL Rules start on page 83 of this APBA link.

http://www.apba-racing.com/sites/all/files/documents/012OS_0.pdf


If you have any questions, I've probably read and discussed it sometime in the past:rolleyes:....

[XtremeRacing]

Paul,
The rules say 250lbs for multi step hull, how does it jump to 5250 for a muti step hull.

[phragle]

is that per step?? I mean if some rich guy buys a new 29 outerlimits carbon fiber wonder boat, it has what, 14 steps???

[XtremeRacing]

Interesting point ...

[Ratickle]

is that per step?? I mean if some rich guy buys a new 29 outerlimits carbon fiber wonder boat, it has what, 14 steps???

Hey Rob, nope, all multi-step hulls. 2 or more steps.

[Ratickle]

The 5250 is only for the brand new multi-step boats that have never been through homologation or met the rules from before of being from a mold which had numerous boats built from it for the public. It used to be to bring out a new hull was extremely expensive because of those rules, but I believe this was the way the owners decided to attract new boats and designs, but not have to have someone like Outerlimits or Lauderdale Boats go through the expense of those older new hull rules.

If the new design carries the extra weight and is cometitive in speed and acceleration, I would imagine the weight would stay. If it is not, I do not know the process but have offered to help in any way possible if I can, the 250 extra lbs get removed.

In the case with you and extras, you have a boat which although multi-step, has gone through the old rules designed to keep the class competitive and therefore gets the benefit of having gone through that process. It is the easiest way the owners could come up with a process to allow new designs to come out, but not have to first sell a bunch to the public and then go through the homologation process.

26. Grandfathered Boat - The 27’ Activator known as “Adrenaline Rush” is approved for competition at 4550 pounds for 2012.

I am glad they decided to try this approach.

[TYPHOON]

Rat, the Max prop size of 30 pitch is for the Vortec motor only. Its 31 pitch for the Merc. The reason being is that the Vortec motor runs at 200 RPM higher to make the same HP and Tourque curves.

[Ratickle]

Thanks Randy, I sometimes forget there are the two sets of rules for the two types of base approved motors.

So 5450 for the Merc 525 with 31" pitch maximum, and 5650 with 30" pitch for the Vortec maximum.


Interestingly enough, you plug both of these into a speed calculator and the final result is identical......

[Wreckdoctor]

is that per step?? I mean if some rich guy buys a new 29 outerlimits carbon fiber wonder boat, it has what, 14 steps???

I hear those outer limits are fast.... :)

[Wreckdoctor]

Also heard Performance Boat Brokerage at lake of the ozarks is an outer limits dealer now....

Hmmmmmmmmm. :)

[imco offshore]

Lance , you don,t need a DEALER to buy an OUTERLIMITS ??

[Ratickle]

He's probably hoping for some really long test drives.....:sifone:

[Wahoo 214]

Didn't the Activator have steps added? Is it a single step or multiple step hull now?

[Ratickle]

Didn't the Activator have steps added? Is it a single step or multiple step hull now?

I believe it's always been a twin-step.

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww310/ptrose/SVL%20Friday%202011%20Key%20West/SVLModKeywest2011Friday072.jpg

[Wreckdoctor]

Lance , you don,t need a DEALER to buy an OUTERLIMITS ??


Nope, but Having an outer limits dealer as your sponsor....pretty handy..

[Ratickle]

Nope, but Having an outer limits dealer as your sponsor....pretty handy..


Now you're getting greedy......:cool:

[imco offshore]

Nope, but Having an outer limits dealer as your sponsor....pretty handy..
ooyeaa ,,that would be awesome,,,isn,t their a 29 outerlimits , running around on LOA already ?

[Wreckdoctor]

There will be soon...... :)

[imco offshore]

cool I heard their was already one running over their

[Ratickle]

There will be soon...... :)


One with a canopy?????:)

[XtremeRacing]

Paul,
They havent built one with a lid yet.

[Ratickle]

Well, he said soon. And he's kind of a sneaky bastage.......:sifone:

[XtremeRacing]

Not many ppl that going to spend $200,000 for a SVL. We have one of those already and maybe if that one sell you might see an Outter Limits.

[Wreckdoctor]

Well, he said soon. And he's kind of a sneaky bastage.......:sifone:


Who u callin sneak!!!! Lol. We "performance" have a 29 on the way, merc 600 with xr drive. Can't wait, it's going to get demo'd a lot this summer I'm sure, Should have plenty of seat time by the end of summer, can't wait to see how it does in the rough waters of loto.

The speed numbers they Are tellin us are off the charts for efficiency ..... Can't wait to run the you know what out of it..

If the numbers are true, it would be hard to beat in svl.

[Ratickle]

So we'll sneak down, yank the 600 out and drop in a 525 5450 rpm engine, set the weight at 5000 and the drive at 1/2" below, put on a 31" pitch & 15 5/8" dia prop, and see what we get. Then, in the morning, we'll have it back the old way....

Should be no problem, no one will ever know.......:sifone:

[XtremeRacing]

The boat they are testing now is also a lot heaveir then what a SVL would have to be. The SC 600 only dyno at just about 600hp it does have a lot more torq. but its not to far off on HP. I dont know what the drive height is and I'm that can make a big differance.
A stock hand built Merc 525 from Fond du Lac right now are any where between 575hp and 595hp.

[Ratickle]

There are three barnd spanking new ones that we should have Mercs numbers and independant confirmation on this spring soon. That will be a really good benchmark for the future I believe.

I still think we should try the sneak approach on the boat with the 525. Who will ever know if we don't tell??????:sifone:

[XtremeRacing]

The reason they arent using 525 is I think the new 565 will be replacing the 525 very soon, and the future will be 565. Same as Merc did with the Hp 500 and moved on to the 525 .

The SVL class might have to look toward to futhure, you might also see a change in the SCL class for next yr.

[Ratickle]

The last I knew, Merc was saying full support for the 525 for at least 3 more years, but I know what you mean.

Most of the 525's are lasting at least 3 years currently. So that is a possible 6 years time line to figure out a reasonable change.

[XtremeRacing]

We hope to do some testing this yr with a 565 soon, with a lot of the teams having 8-10 yr old motors this might be the time to make the switch. A few of the teams think with the cost of a re build at 10- 12 thousand it might make sense to trade up to the 565 for 2013 while the 525 still have some value.

[Ratickle]

I think the cost this yeart for a complete rebuild is at $8700 or so? I know the guys can tell you for sure, there were just three done.

Randy amy have the number in one of the other threads, he was talking about the slightly used heads being replaced in the cost, and the heads that went with the motor coming back in one piece.