$$$ COST FOR AN SVL (total working order )?

[mdkeywest]

I see one is for sale ,However no price .( for "SERIOUS enquiries only )I can see why ,the " stupid " phone calls would never end .

I ask only because when oss reared its ugly head the svl,s went up for sale .
That was 7 years ago . At that time , a good hull with outdrive and some little goodies went for $50,000. ( No motor ) No upgrades from " A " class .

So an svl boat with 496 was about $ 65,000
With 525 about 87,000

These were phantom or extreme .

Now with Lavey , and Fountain on board ,I am sure it has changed .
( I know others have threatened to come onboard , as of yet not seen so leave that out )

What would it real;ly cost to get one of the SVL,s running race ready right now ?

[MANITIE]

From looking at race boats...
You can see SV's owners are trying to get from 115k - 140k for there boats and are still for sale..
You would think at 95k -100k might bring in some bits for a SV....but I'm sure Dean and others can chine in on the offers they are getting...
But going into winter time..
A single engine SVL that is 10+ years old might get some offers at 40k - 55k..
That is if there would be a owner thats willing to sell it for that..
I thought the Activator SVL was up for sale last year for around 35k - 40k...I think that was the most recent SVL sale....
Boats are dirt cheap still....I think having a race boat is that much harder to sell with a roof on it...unless you can find a racer who wants it....

[mdkeywest]

Gino How do they (old svl ,s) compare in price to the already race ready p-4,s ?

Also if they had a class in place ( CVL or whatever WITH RULES !!!!!!!! ) would that help retain their monitary value ?

[MANITIE]

I guess it would depend on the year boat for P4...
You know what Mike A. paid for his 38 Donzi...and thats a P4 boat ready to race and pleasure boat all in one...and that you can't beat...
Also there was a couple of 38 Formula's and Donzi's out there with 525's that were 01's and 02's that were under 100k
When you start talking 1994 - 1998 boats that are single engine race boats with lids..I would think you would need to find someone that wants to race only....(thats a limited market in any race boat with a lid) I had a lot of people interested in the Dragon but wanted me to cut the lid off it.
And that's the next answer...if you have a good SVL class and great racing of course that will get some new teams that want to be part of that and will pay a higher price with no invintory out there but new for 130k - 160k...

But I forgot how great it is to have a boat I can race one weekend and then take out on the other weekends and just go boating with 5 people in it and have fun....

[imco offshore]

Gino is pretty much spot on ,,,if you want to COMPETE in the current SVL ,,you need a brand new one,,,ie,,fountain ,,??baja??,,or even the new racerguymiami ,,,the orginal svl's ,,like the SV,s are now just class fillers,,, but you are right they are great p-4 's very safe and fast,,,,pricing ?? 50,000 to 70,000 i,m guessing,,, anything after that you might as well bite the bullit and build new ,,???

[Mike A.]

Gino is pretty much spot on ,,,if you want to COMPETE in the current SVL ,,you need a brand new one,,,ie,,fountain ,,??baja??,,or even the new racerguymiami ,,,the orginal svl's ,,like the SV,s are now just class fillers,,, but you are right they are great p-4 's very safe and fast,,,,pricing ?? 50,000 to 70,000 i,m guessing,,, anything after that you might as well bite the bullit and build new ,,???

More like $25-45 for SVL and $50-70 for SV used to anyone who understands the market.

[Wahoo 214]

Mike may be closer on the SVL because of the twin engine rule in C4. If I were in the market for a C4 boat it would be a twin egine boat like Simmons.

[Slandrew]

New Fountain SVL more like 150k or more:eek:

[MANITIE]

New Fountain SVL more like 150k or more:eek:

Thats why I went from 130k to 160k...
I don't know what Will would sell his for and I don't know what price tag Chris has on his yet....
I would think if someone put 160k in front of Fountain..I would think as slow as times are there...you would get a SVL from them...

[MANITIE]

Dean has it marked on in C4..
With Simmons, Trents 38 Fastech and the 38 Donzi's are the best set up for class 4...the 500's and 525's in that class match them all up pretty good...and the reliability is great...basically F2 again...but by capping at the 85mph mark...it keeps them under control also...we seen what happens to a lot of these boats when they start hitting 90+...
With there prices even as low as 85k...and you might be able to even find one for 75k to 80k...thats a deal...
But at the same time...with a team on a budget if you can get yourself into a SVL for 40k+ and half the maintaince to take care of...that boat puts more race teams into that C4 class in this economy...
The one thing spec class has become...is you need money to run in it...
Testing is one thing ...if its just props and moving weight...
But it has gotten way out of hand over the last 3 years...
Most teams cannot afford a boat...racing ....3 or 4 props...and then have to spend another 10k - 20k and making hull changes..glass work..and so on...to compete with new tech...

[Ratickle]

This thread is pretty accurate from everyone.


Odd, huh?????:D


I still think SVL can easily be fixed. The rules are mostly there, just need a little tweaking. Then some enforcement with a Tech Inspector. Then a referee. No big deal.

The question...

Does anyone really want too???????

[mdkeywest]

Great question !

Once lid,s start coming off ,theres no turning back .Dont do it

[rchevelle71]

I suggested Trent put a lid on his Fountain like 3 years ago:D Glad to see he is doing good with the Formula, one of these days I'll make it to a race, seeing as his website say's I am his crew chief, guess I should make an effort to show up:bump:

[MANITIE]

This thread is pretty accurate from everyone.


Odd, huh?????:D


I still think SVL can easily be fixed. The rules are mostly there, just need a little tweaking. Then some enforcement with a Tech Inspector. Then a referee. No big deal.

The question...

Does anyone really want too???????

I think you have the answer...but some may not like it...

Someone outside of the SVL races needs to be in charge of tech, rules and all enforcement...and the racers need to respect the orgs decision.
You would think if OPA is going to take this project on in this spec class..and invest in tech inspectors, the money, rules etc. At least the SVL racers should have to committ to racing in OPA for a number of races..

[MANITIE]

I suggested Trent put a lid on his Fountain like 3 years ago:D Glad to see he is doing good with the Formula, one of these days I'll make it to a race, seeing as his website say's I am his crew chief, guess I should make an effort to show up:bump:

And if you read the fine print on your contract it says...when Trent is racing with me..you also have to work on my boat....but I think Trents elbow may have been covering that part of the contract...

[rchevelle71]

And if you read the fine print on your contract it says...when Trent is racing with me..you also have to work on my boat....but I think Trents elbow may have been covering that part of the contract...

Trent and I have an understanding, kinda the same deal I had with ScottyB years ago, when the race is in FL I am there, and if they need me somewhere else, arrangements can be made, but until wrenching on a raceboat becomes a profitable situation, I have my day job to attend to, I am kinda happy being somewhat retired from racing(my wife is even happier), but there were some good times had in the years past:D

[mdkeywest]

And you were fun to be around .( MIKE )

[rchevelle71]

And you were fun to be around .( MIKE )

Do you remember that one night at Ricks..................

Shanes wife asked me the next morning how that Prostitute was, and I was kinda drunk, but I know I didnt leave with no prostitute, I remember talking to her, but then My driver called, and I went back to the condo alone......I swear:D

[mdkeywest]

Do you remember that one night at Ricks..................

Shanes wife asked me the next morning how that Prostitute was, and I was kinda drunk, but I know I didnt leave with no prostitute, I remember talking to her, but then My driver called, and I went back to the condo alone......I swear:D


Yes I do LOL

[XtremeRacing]

Rick we going to see u in KW its been a while. If you common down look me up.

[imco offshore]

I think you have the answer...but some may not like it...

Someone outside of the SVL races needs to be in charge of tech, rules and all enforcement...and the racers need to respect the orgs decision.
You would think if OPA is going to take this project on in this spec class..and invest in tech inspectors, the money, rules etc. At least the SVL racers should have to committ to racing in OPA for a number of races..

Gino your right ,,I think Smitty is right on by taking the bull by the horns and setting the rules,, assumeing tech ,ect,,,I also see12 guys cooperateing and one renagade above the law ,,sorry, just looked at the past ,,so the outcome will be the same ,,

good luck to all ,be carefull and safe ,,,:USA:

[rchevelle71]

Rick we going to see u in KW its been a while. If you common down look me up.

Probably not Frank, if I do, it may be just a day or 2.

[XtremeRacing]

well if u do make it call me we will meet up for a drink

[rchevelle71]

well if u do make it call me we will meet up for a drink

Will do.

[Wahoo 214]

Gino your right ,,I think Smitty is right on by taking the bull by the horns and setting the rules,, assumeing tech ,ect,,,I also see12 guys cooperateing and one renagade above the law ,,sorry, just looked at the past ,,so the outcome will be the same ,,

good luck to all ,be carefull and safe ,,,:USA:

George,

I know you say we "know nothing" on this matter, so please enlighten us all. You see I understand Mike A's view point on wanting competition and maintaining the viability of the older obsolete boats, but your comments seem to always revolve around lack of cooperation, cheating, and skirting the rules.

So far those of us who know nothing have heard that:

1. Doc's Team refused tech. But the boat was not DQ'd and Org Officials have come on here and said it never happened.
2. The Fountain is some how not approved to race SVL. If so why is it racing SVL in SBI, OPA, and OSS?
3. The boat bottom has been change as much as Joan Rivers. How is that different than moving/adding strakes, bussles, swim platforms, buzzi brushes, cutting down decks and hidden ballast tanks?
4. The Fountain Team has hot ECMs. Other SVLs don't even run sealed engines or sealed ECMs.

And that is just what I can remember without going thru all the old posts. So please enlighten us because if your statements have truth, all three of the Orgs have some deeper issues than just SVL which could change Offshore.

The unimformed would like to know

[Mike A.]

George,

I know you say we "know nothing" on this matter, so please enlighten us all. You see I understand Mike A's view point on wanting competition and maintaining the viability of the older obsolete boats, but your comments seem to always revolve around lack of cooperation, cheating, and skirting the rules.

So far those of us who know nothing have heard that:

1. Doc's Team refused tech. But the boat was not DQ'd and Org Officials have come on here and said it never happened.
2. The Fountain is some how not approved to race SVL. If so why is it racing SVL in SBI, OPA, and OSS?
3. The boat bottom has been change as much as Joan Rivers. How is that different than moving/adding strakes, bussles, swim platforms, buzzi brushes, cutting down decks and hidden ballast tanks?
4. The Fountain Team has hot ECMs. Other SVLs don't even run sealed engines or sealed ECMs.

And that is just what I can remember without going thru all the old posts. So please enlighten us because if your statements have truth, all three of the Orgs have some deeper issues than just SVL which could change Offshore.

The unimformed would like to know

Dean,

I never called the SVL's obsolete and they are not obsolete. I said from the first day I heard the Fountain was being dropped into the class, that it should not be allowed to compete because it was not homolgated per OSS and SBI rules. I was correct. The leaders of the sport have always done this, sacrificing the many for the one. And most times, the one turns out to be a complete ingrate, and within a short time, the many are gone and so is the one, leaving the sport as it is today.

OPA has worked great because of the P class only structure. I am personally concerned that by heading into the spec class racing arena you all might be jeopardizing what you have built thus far. Trust me, as someone who was part of building a spec class racing series, it is hard and expensive, and if you are not committed to throwing a-holes out, and slowing fast boats down to maintain balance, it will not work.

As for the current SVL fleet and all the illegal modifications you say they have made, here is what should matter: they are still competitive with one another, but cannot touch the Fountain and will never be able to do so unless drastic steps are taken to slow it down. The sad fact is, however, that it is probably too late. I think the damage is irreparable.

[Wahoo 214]

Mike,

I apoligize. I did not mean to imply that you used the word "obsolete". I also agree with much of what you said. My point was to gain an understanding of all the statements or mis-statements made of this Team, the boat, and Orgs.

As for slowing fast boats down to maintain balance, I believe that is what P class and GPS are for. If the power, weight, drives, props, lenght and general configuration of the boats are the same let them race. The sport does not need another class and the racers shouldn't be asked to delute the purse again.

I didn't say the current SVL fleet's modifications are illegal. I was making a comparision of what has been said of the Fountain vs what has been documented here by SVL racers.

[Ratickle]

As for the current SVL fleet and all the illegal modifications you say they have made, here is what should matter: they are still competitive with one another, but cannot touch the Fountain and will never be able to do so unless drastic steps are taken to slow it down. The sad fact is, however, that it is probably too late. I think the damage is irreparable.

This is the one (Well, maybe another one or two...:D), area where Mike and I disagree. But, he is getting closer to being correct than I am at this point.

It is not too late if the Orgs and the current boat owners would agree to tweak the rules just a little, enforce the rules they tweak, and tech the boats and have a referee during the races. If they do not get together and agree soon, Mike is absolutely correct.

The main area of disagreement I have is the complexity of the rules. They do not have to be so dang difficult to tech monitor. Keep them simple. Goal, tech a boat in 15 minutes max, MAX......

Boat must come from a mold, be of resin constrution, and every builder must have their hulls for sale to the general public.

Minimum width at transom - 2 people with a tape
Minimum height at transom and highest point on side by windshield
Water pickup through drive only - Visual
Maximum diameter prop, (Approximately 15.625 inches) - Template
Min-Max length - Two guys with a tape
Min weight - Crane scale in and out
Bravo type drive - Visual
Canopy - Visual
Single engine - Visual
Single Throttle Body type Fuel Injection - Visual
Restrictor Plate - Top 3 boats have it removed and checked with a template
Maximum Cu In - Top 3 boats have their engine whistled
Maximum RPM - Inspector has a reader installed on every engine in a locked box - similar to the GPS control box in the C classes.

Who cares about tweaking or modifying the bottoms at that point??? Allow it.

Parity - Win two in a row, added weight, lower RPM, smaller prop, deeper drive. Figure it out and do it. Win another in a row, more parity restrictions added.

If you have had a penalty added, then finish lower than 3rd, the latest restriction is removed.

Boat builders can still brag they have the most weight or deepest drive. ie; best boat design.

New builders come in.
New engine builders come in.
Fans see great side by side racing.
Racers actually race.
etc.

Tweak it, but it should not be as hard as it seems to be.

[Ratickle]

By the way Dean. How do you guys get the parity you currently enjoy in SV in OPA? I know the engines are modified vs sealed Mercs. Smitty said the ECM's were also flashed.

I mean think about it. According to pretty much everyone at this point. Your twin engine 35's to 38's are less than 5 MPH faster than a single engine, stock sealed 525, 30 footer with a stock ECM and a whole lot more weight per HP.

[Wahoo 214]

I don't think Smitty said any of the OPA SV ecms are hot. I think he referred to SVL but I did not look it up.

We have parity because we want it. Each of us would rather finish 3rd with all the boats within 100ft than have one run off. The engine tech is simple. It must look like a stock 525, with standard bore and stroke, cam, heads, headers, ecms and no race fuel. So really you get ported heads and a very close attention to detail. Tyler built 3 of the 4 engine packages and they dyno within 10 hp of each other.

The drives are also easy. Bravo, 2" shorties with 1.3s for smooth and standards with 1.5s for the rough. Props 6 blade 29-31s are all that work.

I wouldn't say that the 30 is less than 5mph slower than the SVs. We ran 110.7 in St Clair and I believe Smitty has seen 112 in TN. But either way, that is a fast SVL.

[Wahoo 214]

Here is Smitty's ecm quote.

"Or since most of the 525 Computers have been hacked anyway. Give the pre 2009 SVL 5650 rpm. All new hulls stay at 5400. New hulls weigh 400 lbs more"

[Ratickle]

Thanks. I took that as he was speaking about your class as a given.

In SVL, they had an exchange program last season, and the rule was in force this year until the "mess". I doubt very seriously any of theirs were flashed up until that point.

I also know SBI has put out notice they will no longer attempt to check ECM's. That will pretty much make it a given that stock ECM's are no longer a rule for next season.

Should hear some higher RPM's from the Cats and Vees using 525's in Key West.

[Ratickle]

I wouldn't say that the 30 is less than 5mph slower than the SVs. We ran 110.7 in St Clair and I believe Smitty has seen 112 in TN. But either way, that is a fast SVL.

Still. 103 in a stock 30' with a single stock 525 with stock ECM vs 112 in a twin 38 with modified 525, (Probably an additional 60 to 75 HP?), is what makes the grumbling come out.

How do you make sure everything is stock except the heads? Does Tyler, or ?, seal them????? And how do you seal and tech the ECM?

And do you review the max allowed RPM with some kind of a sealed unit or on-board telemetry like the GPS does in C classes?

[Ratickle]

Here is Smitty's ecm quote.

"Or since most of the 525 Computers have been hacked anyway. Give the pre 2009 SVL 5650 rpm. All new hulls stay at 5400. New hulls weigh 400 lbs more"

And Smitty may well be correct with the RPM parity equalizer.

[Wahoo 214]

Still. 103 in a stock 30' with a single stock 525 with stock ECM vs 112 in a twin 38 with modified 525, (Probably an additional 60 to 75 HP?), is what makes the grumbling come out.

How do you make sure everything is stock except the heads? Does Tyler, or ?, seal them????? And how do you seal and tech the ECM?

And do you review the max allowed RPM with some kind of a sealed unit or on-board telemetry like the GPS does in C classes?

No seals. We all feel that with the stock block, intake, headers, electronics with pump gas you can't make much more than stock. To check the ECMs we simply will jump in your boat and rev it up. (red neck tech). To check stroke. If you run away from us, we will whistle it. Cam? My opinion is that it is no big deal without more air, fuel, exhaust or RPM.

Also with the ecm, if you don't have anymore RPM you really can't do too much more than advance spark or mess with fuel curve. That doesn't do much without the other stuff mentioned earlier. You can shut of the guardin mode which would help some.

Finally, Tyler doesn't trust Smitty and Smitty doesn't trust Tyler so they keep an eye on each other! :D

[mdkeywest]

Why not data logging ?

What is your,e opinion after trying this avenue ?

Thanx ( mike )

[mdkeywest]

OK so now that SVL as a class is pretty much over .

HOW MUCH can one be bought for ? ( motor drive ,all of it ? )
Not the wildcard boat ,s price
,just a real number .

[extras]

Do you want to but one or just tell everybody SVL sucks?

[mdkeywest]

Do you want to but one or just tell everybody SVL sucks?

I,ve never said anything close to that .

Pay attn or shut up !

[MANITIE]

OK so now that SVL as a class is pretty much over .

HOW MUCH can one be bought for ? ( motor drive ,all of it ? )
Not the wildcard boat ,s price
,just a real number .

Is anyone even looking to sell there's...
Of course everything is for sale..but I mean..someone who wants out...
I'm sure if one came up for 35 - 40k someone would be interested..
But if someone is looking to sell one for 70k...it may be sitting for a while...
Its a pure race boat..limited cliental..

[Ratickle]

OK so now that SVL as a class is pretty much over .

HOW MUCH can one be bought for ? ( motor drive ,all of it ? )
Not the wildcard boat ,s price
,just a real number .

First of all, SVL as a class is not pretty much over. It may change slightly, but I actually think there will be more boats in the category next year than this year. There are currently negotiations going on for some new teams and boats.

As for the ones for sale, I know of just about every one out there. If you are Serious, the range for a ready to race boat is currently between 50 and 60. Ask the racers to email or PM you if you are really interested. They will if they trust your disgression. I will not put the names and amounts out there, that is up to the owners if they so wish. You would also end up having that much into the ones which need work that are out there, there are also a couple of those. So, it depends on which way you wish to go.

[SVL66]

Is anyone even looking to sell there's...
Of course everything is for sale..but I mean..someone who wants out...
I'm sure if one came up for 35 - 40k someone would be interested..
But if someone is looking to sell one for 70k...it may be sitting for a while...
Its a pure race boat..limited cliental..

very true, but a safe raceboat nevertheless. One that is pretty much bullet proof. Compared to all the money and time some of you P class guys put into your motors. And still hope they dont blow up on ya. In the long run, a much better investment. I love my boat, it runs great, I feel safe and its alot of fun to drive. Its not the fastest, but still a blast to run.

Dont think anyone in their right mind would let one go for 35 - 40. Unless they had their bookie threatening to break their legs unless they pay up their debt.

Even though 70-75k is what most guys would love to get. Im sure 50-65 is more of a realistic number. Otherwise, just keep them and have as much fun with them as possible.

Keep in mind...SVL is not dead just yet. We need to regroup. And come up with a new game plan.

[extras]

I,ve never said anything close to that .

Pay attn or shut up !

You are not worth paying attention to. See you in Key West which race are you in?

[XtremeRacing]

he is racing in tues thur and sat races

[zipper]

he is racing in tues thur and sat races

sounds like a keyboard racer to me! from what im reading there will be some great races on tues,thurs and sat!:party:

[MANITIE]

very true, but a safe raceboat nevertheless. One that is pretty much bullet proof. Compared to all the money and time some of you P class guys put into your motors. And still hope they dont blow up on ya. In the long run, a much better investment. I love my boat, it runs great, I feel safe and its alot of fun to drive. Its not the fastest, but still a blast to run.

Dont think anyone in their right mind would let one go for 35 - 40. Unless they had their bookie threatening to break their legs unless they pay up their debt.

Even though 70-75k is what most guys would love to get. Im sure 50-65 is more of a realistic number. Otherwise, just keep them and have as much fun with them as possible.

Keep in mind...SVL is not dead just yet. We need to regroup. And come up with a new game plan.

It will be interesting to what the next SVL, used one sells for...
I guess I should have noted that it will also depend on engine hours...
If there due for a refresh...thats another $8500..
My figure was base on that you would want to refresh it and have the engine sealed...

I don't see the class dead....I thing if Smitty and John set down the rules...there will still be teams that will run in the class..

[XtremeRacing]

I think u might see 4-5 in KW

[imco offshore]

in key west ,,my guess ,,Pirate ,,time bandit,,typhoon,,fountain,,,Miklos,,and maybe Mark ,,( activator )

[mdkeywest]

You are not worth paying attention to. See you in Key West which race are you in?

that hurt my feelings . I want to go to K W you got any money to help me .
I have a back pack , i can hitch hike , i just need sandwich money ,you seem nice will you help me?

[Racerguymiami]

I see one is for sale ,However no price .( for "SERIOUS enquiries only )I can see why ,the " stupid " phone calls would never end .

I ask only because when oss reared its ugly head the svl,s went up for sale .
That was 7 years ago . At that time , a good hull with outdrive and some little goodies went for $50,000. ( No motor ) No upgrades from " A " class .

So an svl boat with 496 was about $ 65,000
With 525 about 87,000

These were phantom or extreme .

Now with Lavey , and Fountain on board ,I am sure it has changed .
( I know others have threatened to come onboard , as of yet not seen so leave that out )

What would it real;ly cost to get one of the SVL,s running race ready right now ?

Alot!

You should of had the Typhoon team pick you up on the way and cart you to KW on the donated monies. I'm sure in their 'We Just gotta Race in Key West' expense breakdown/plea for cash they could of included a 'Shot gun rider to the hauler guy' in there.

I would of gladly donated to you KW vacation but I gave 50 bucks to a homeless guy with no legs in a wheelchair on the side of the road today. Sorry bud, but you know, priorities first.

[Ratickle]

Alot!

You should of had the Typhoon team pick you up on the way and cart you to KW on the donated monies. I'm sure in their 'We Just gotta Race in Key West' expense breakdown/plea for cash they could of included a 'Shot gun rider to the hauler guy' in there.

I would of gladly donated to you KW vacation but I gave 50 bucks to a homeless guy with no legs in a wheelchair on the side of the road today. Sorry bud, but you know, priorities first.

Pretty funny....:rofl:

We get to see you Thursday evening?

[heater63]

Racerguy,you could only wish you had the fan club that Typhoon has.Cause you sure are'nt making any on here.Good luck selling those dream boats you are supposedly building.You must have missed the class on Public Relations.

[4FX]

Here's another question:
Does Phantom and Extreme still make these boats that are 10-15 yrs old and can/could they improve there mold designs based off of what the "racers" have done to the current boats out their?

With the new technology and some tweaks in the molds would a "NEW" Phantom or Extreme be competitive with the beak boat??

Then wouldn't it be worth buying a "NEW" SVL boat to race?

[4FX]

Just a fan thinig out loud!!!!!

[Phantom1]

Racerguy,you could only wish you had the fan club that Typhoon has.Cause you sure are'nt making any on here.Good luck selling those dream boats you are supposedly building.You must have missed the class on Public Relations.

I took Racerguy's post as a jab at mdkeywest, not Randy.

[imco offshore]

Here's another question:
Does Phantom and Extreme still make these boats that are 10-15 yrs old and can/could they improve there mold designs based off of what the "racers" have done to the current boats out their?

With the new technology and some tweaks in the molds would a "NEW" Phantom or Extreme be competitive with the beak boat??

Then wouldn't it be worth buying a "NEW" SVL boat to race?

yes they do ,,still build them ,,factory boats come out at or about 90/91
some racers have got them up to 94 ish
no they will never be able to keep up with NEW tech ,,THE new hulls are multi step and run on a completely different theory.

right now their are 3 multi step boats available ,Fountain ,Outerlimits,Racerguy ,currently only one is racing ( key word,, currently)

[rchevelle71]

yes they do ,,still build them ,,factory boats come out at or about 90/91
some racers have got them up to 94 ish
no they will never be able to keep up with NEW tech ,,THE new hulls are multi step and run on a completely different theory.

right now their are 3 multi step boats available ,Fountain ,Outerlimits,Racerguy ,currently only one is racing ( key word,, currently)

I have seen racerguys, hull(at least the plug), and the bottom looks amazing. I know nothing about bottom design, but it looks nice:sifone:

[imco offshore]

yea I want to go down and see it too,

[Racerguymiami]

Ok, for those that want to know. About four years ago I decided to build a new sport hull, two seater open cockpit boat, 30 feet. This is after building several v hull boats in the 21-23 foot range racing in the islands with 2.5 litre Mercs. The hull and deck lines were designed and then it was time to tweak the hull running surface design. In order to avoid the costs of building molds and hoping they ran according to the design theory, I had a few of the Miami sport center console builders (same 30 foot size range) come on line. They allowed me to use their existing molds and modify them using inserts based on the design I had. This was a great test bed as these boats were being popped out, rigged, tested and sold almost immediately after production in large numbers. Also, I was being paid to make these changes. This allowed me to tweak the design on each boat by modifying the inserts until a massive improvement in handling and speed was achieved.

The hull/deck plug and mold for my boat was then built. First out was a lightweight (4600 LBS) open cockpit version (pre sold). We tested this boat with a high hour 525 with great results. Never satisfied I made a few more changes to the bottom which yeilded even better results. Owner wanted it enclosed so a lid was designed and installed with safety being the utmost factor. Removing the open cockpit section and adding additional bulkheads, deflectors, lid and equipment added another 275 LBS to the boat so the complete boat now weighs in at 4875 LBS. The boat seemed to like the aerodynamics of the lid as it picked up an additional 1.5 MPH even with the added weight. The handling also improved due to the increased weight.

I had a discussion with one of the orgs regarding changes to the original boat, where #2 and #3 may run on a different bottom. I was immediately reminded of Fountain and how he did this with his suer V's and was detrimental to the class.

So now, to avoid any discrepencies with the orgs and competitors regarding modified decks and hulls, a new mold is near completion to include the changes to the original boat. Once complete a new boat will be built. At that time all are invited to visit, view and test run if you like. This is Florida so a nice January test run is more than do-able.

[Team Tsunami]

yes they do ,,still build them ,,factory boats come out at or about 90/91
some racers have got them up to 94 ish
no they will never be able to keep up with NEW tech ,,THE new hulls are multi step and run on a completely different theory.

right now their are 3 multi step boats available ,Fountain ,Outerlimits,Racerguy ,currently only one is racing ( key word,, currently)

One of those can be ready for next season if someone wants one!! If anyone want to compete and beat the Fountain you know where to go.:D

[Wahoo 214]

Ok, for those that want to know. About four years ago I decided to build a new sport hull, two seater open cockpit boat, 30 feet. This is after building several v hull boats in the 21-23 foot range racing in the islands with 2.5 litre Mercs. The hull and deck lines were designed and then it was time to tweak the hull running surface design. In order to avoid the costs of building molds and hoping they ran according to the design theory, I had a few of the Miami sport center console builders (same 30 foot size range) come on line. They allowed me to use their existing molds and modify them using inserts based on the design I had. This was a great test bed as these boats were being popped out, rigged, tested and sold almost immediately after production in large numbers. Also, I was being paid to make these changes. This allowed me to tweak the design on each boat by modifying the inserts until a massive improvement in handling and speed was achieved.

The hull/deck plug and mold for my boat was then built. First out was a lightweight (4600 LBS) open cockpit version (pre sold). We tested this boat with a high hour 525 with great results. Never satisfied I made a few more changes to the bottom which yeilded even better results. Owner wanted it enclosed so a lid was designed and installed with safety being the utmost factor. Removing the open cockpit section and adding additional bulkheads, deflectors, lid and equipment added another 275 LBS to the boat so the complete boat now weighs in at 4875 LBS. The boat seemed to like the aerodynamics of the lid as it picked up an additional 1.5 MPH even with the added weight. The handling also improved due to the increased weight.

I had a discussion with one of the orgs regarding changes to the original boat, where #2 and #3 may run on a different bottom. I was immediately reminded of Fountain and how he did this with his suer V's and was detrimental to the class.

So now, to avoid any discrepencies with the orgs and competitors regarding modified decks and hulls, a new mold is near completion to include the changes to the original boat. Once complete a new boat will be built. At that time all are invited to visit, view and test run if you like. This is Florida so a nice January test run is more than do-able.

You should post pictures of those other builds. It is always interesting to seeing how boats and speed evolve with each new version

[Ratickle]

You should post pictures of those other builds. It is always interesting to seeing how boats and speed evolve with each new version

Yes you should. Are you in Key West? If so, stop by Guy's and do some chatting tomorrow evening. I'll buy you a drink or two.

[Racerguymiami]

I'll be down early Friday morning just for the day. Head back friday night and return again Sunday morning.

[Ratickle]

I'll be down early Friday morning just for the day. Head back friday night and return again Sunday morning.

Maybe we can chat one of those days.