BRAND NEW CHEETAH CAT - Please Respond!

[Steve2]

OK, we are close to building a brand new CheetahCat that will be mind boggling in terms of advanced technologies, styling, reasonable horsepower with unbelievable speeds and everything that makes the Cheetah unique.

Please let us know what you would like to see by participating in the poll and giving us some feedback/questions or anything else you can think of....thanks!

[cosmic12]

OK,,, where is it?

Do you have a rendering?

[Dude! Sweet!]

OK, I voted 50' with turbines because I'm apparently a pervert who likes to see people suffer (kidding!) I really think a 35 I/O would be a very cool, "practical" boat. Good luck. Can't wait to see it.

[Slandrew]

Just voted 35' not too big not too small:rolleyes:

[Steve2]

Thanks for your votes, many of you may be surprised at what we do with the results...so, any explanation is welcomed and the more realistic and/or ideas that you throw out here just may become a part of the new design...let's see whatch-ya-all got!

Seriously, thanks!:cheers2:

[Pat Bates]

35 I/O. Good trailerable size.

[2TR]

30/32 OB Superstock cat

[Jassman]

35 I/O. Good trailerable size.

+1 Merc 850's

[Steve 1]

Looking at the poll 35 IO seems to be the choice so far, Thanks guys for your time to participate and comments.

[Ratickle]

The max size for Stock Outboard/X Cat (32 I believe). Race and pleasure versions. IO and outboard versions.

I didn't see that as an option to choose so I didn't vote.

[lowblue320]

I voted 35 but in partial....

[Steve 1]

The max size for Stock Outboard/X Cat (32 I believe). Race and pleasure versions. IO and outboard versions.

I didn't see that as an option to choose so I didn't vote.

The 10 Meter can be had with any outboard or IO power you want and if "things" need moved around for weight/power considerations that is what the cheetahcat is all about, There is no one size fits all here, we will squeeze the last MPH out of it,BTW After the first race there was a article in Powerboat I think and the writer was wondering about a inboard at that time.

[Steve 1]

I voted 35 but in partial....

LOL Thank You for voting.

[Ratickle]

The 10 Meter can be had with any outboard or IO power you want and if "things" need moved around for weight/power considerations that is what the cheetahcat is all about, There is no one size fits all here, we will squeeze the last MPH out of it,BTW After the first race there was a article in Powerboat I think and the writer was wondering about a inboard at that time.

Is 32 the largest allowed? I'm digging for the new rules now.

[Steve 1]

Is 32 the largest allowed? I'm digging for the new rules now.

X Cat as I read the rules is 10 Meters and Yes we have something.

[Sean H]

Is 32 the largest allowed? I'm digging for the new rules now.

It would have to be a 9.7536 Meter (in the US).

Also remember the longer the boat in Superstock, the more weight you have to carry. 28-32 ft, 3800-4300 lbs.

[Ratickle]

It would have to be a 9.7536 Meter (in the US).

Also remember the longer the boat in Superstock, the more weight you have to carry. 28-32 ft, 3800-4300 lbs.

Okay, then I vote for 9.7536 meter boat.....:sifone:

[Steve 1]

http://www.thewppa.com/En/Archive/pdf/09-12_Pt5_ExtremeCat-6LitreRules.pdf

[Steve 1]

Okay, then I vote for 9.7536 meter boat.....:sifone:

Vote taken.

[Eaton Photos]

I grew up on a 25 I/O, and loved the flexibility of the I/O. One day, if/ when I can afford my own boat, it will be a Cat, and I love the idea of a 35. So I voted 35. :)

[Steve 1]

I grew up on a 25 I/O, and loved the flexibility of the I/O. One day, if/ when I can afford my own boat, it will be a Cat, and I love the idea of a 35. So I voted 35. :)

Thank you for your vote.

[MANITIE]

I would have to say the 32 O/B....with Doug W doing a great job with his and with the X-Cat class having 20+ boats...it might be a boat to compete with...

[Steve 1]

I would have to say the 32 O/B....with Doug W doing a great job with his and with the X-Cat class having 20+ boats...it might be a boat to compete with...

Good point and thank you .

[TCEd]

I'd like to see something that could be a step towards reasonable cat insurance rates. Maybe you guys could use small power since your previous hulls seem very efficent.
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[Steve 1]

I'd like to see something that could be a step towards reasonable cat insurance rates. Maybe you guys could use small power since your previous hulls seem very efficent.
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That is a very good point, we need to get with a Agent and find a cheap way to get some people in a cat,we can build the boat around small power.

[.38Special]

How about a 40 Outboard? It's enough boat to go in any water, yet the outboards should be significantly lighter and cheaper. Yes, you won't get the speed of a 40 Skater with a pair of Sterlings, but the market for those boats is much smaller. I myself would be interested in something like this. And I can imagine the insurance would be significantly cheaper as well.

[Steve 1]

How about a 40 Outboard? It's enough boat to go in any water, yet the outboards should be significantly lighter and cheaper. Yes, you won't get the speed of a 40 Skater with a pair of Sterlings, but the market for those boats is much smaller. I myself would be interested in something like this. And I can imagine the insurance would be significantly cheaper as well.

A 40 outboard Cat would be pretty cool ,I will do some work on the new outboards and make some speed projections. Thank You

[Tom A.]

40 foot cat with Quad 350 outboards would be interesting!

[.38Special]

40 foot cat with Quad 350 outboards would be interesting!

As well as reliable and the rebuild time is not every couple of months.

[Steve 1]

40 foot cat with Quad 350 outboards would be interesting!

I just looked at the weight not real bad 667# I will do some work on projecting the speed .Thank You

[Steve 1]

As well as reliable and the rebuild time is not every couple of months.

Good Point and easy to work on.

[VtSteve]

I didn't see an option for the 22' Stingray copy running on pump gas.

[Bobcat]

I didn't see an option for the 22' Stingray copy running on pump gas.

ouch ! :ack2:

Steve, don't listen to these guys......30' center console trip 300's (with a head in the console) :USA:

Whatever you build post pics !:seeya:

[Steve 1]

ouch ! :ack2:

Steve, don't listen to these guys......30' center console trip 300's (with a head in the console) :USA:

Whatever you build post pics !:seeya:

LOL we will always keep the photos posted thank you.

[THEJOKER]

3 WORDS........Go Steve Go!

[Steve 1]

3 WORDS........Go Steve Go!


Thank You.

[skaterdave]

something to compete with the 2 main racing classes

a 32' o/b to compete in x-cat or superstock

or a 41-42 to run in supercat/ class 1

[Steve 1]

something to compete with the 2 main racing classes

a 32' o/b to compete in x-cat or superstock

or a 41-42 to run in supercat/ class 1

Thanks ,There is a 10 meter boat I have worked out, 42 supercat I will check the rules.

[skaterdave]

used to be max of 40' for supercat-750 & max 42' for 850sc. but i think that from what i read and understand that OSS and the piston supercat classes are going to try to group all the piston classes together. it'll be interesting to see how biloxi goes!

steve, what exactly are you guys doing and where. i haven't been able to follow all these different threads, so could you clarify for me exactly what your up to.

are you in business or just making one off boats for fun? whats the story?

[Steve 1]

used to be max of 40' for supercat-750 & max 42' for 850sc. but i think that from what i read and understand that OSS and the piston supercat classes are going to try to group all the piston classes together. it'll be interesting to see how biloxi goes!

steve, what exactly are you guys doing and where. i haven't been able to follow all these different threads, so could you clarify for me exactly what your up to.

are you in business or just making one off boats for fun? whats the story?

Sometimes they state in the rules the boat must be from a mold/molded and then say how many built before allowed to race ,I have not followed the rules here in a while and would have to check ,overseas it is different.

I do consulting work also and have designed a line of Diesel Patrol boats (Cummings powered Cats)we are going to market ,the race stuff took me all over and will never forget where I came from ,nowadays have a "creative" 10 meter race boat that needs to be built and Steve 2 has some nice looking boats from 22 to 45 feet we will take it one day at a time maybe put the T-4 Bottom under a New Vee Bottom who knows.

I want to thank everyone here for being so nice.

[Uncle Dave]

35 i/o in your trademark superlight setup.


This is a size guys can afford, haul around , store etc.

Continuing the "light" theme Id then run twin ilmor 725's with indy drives.




Uncle Dave

[Steve 1]

35 i/o in your trademark superlight setup.


This is a size guys can afford, haul around , store etc.

Continuing the "light" theme Id then run twin ilmor 725's with indy drives.




Uncle Dave

UD thanks, I just ran the speed using past numbers, crazy fast and a very nice package ,great idea!!! Best Regards.

[Pat Bates]

A 35 I/O, built by you would be huge.

Would this be a V or a Cat?

[Steve 1]

A 35 I/O, built by you would be huge.

Would this be a V or a Cat?

A Cat but I build Vee bottoms also and Thank you.

[Scarab KV]

35 I/O perfect to travel

[Steve 1]

35 I/O perfect to travel
Thank You.

[Ratickle]

Crazy question maybe. What would the proper overall width be on a 32 or 35 for best performance? Would towing be an issue with the 8.5 freeway max?

[Steve 1]

Crazy question maybe. What would the proper overall width be on a 32 or 35 for best performance? Would towing be an issue with the 8.5 freeway max?

The first Cheetahcat was 9 feet with the tunnel I had in that boat to make it work.

[skaterdave]

don't think you could build a legal width 35' or bigger. most 30' and 32' are a tad over 8'6" which is legal max.

[Steve 1]

don't think you could build a legal width 35' or bigger. most 30' and 32' are a tad over 8'6" which is legal max.

I have the original drawing on a wall here in my office,Just walked over with a scale and it can be done.

This boat was street legal.Steve2 needs to give this old design a once over.

http://i41.tinypic.com/33u7ln5.jpg

[Sean H]

I have the original drawing on a wall here in my office,Just walked over with a scale and it can be done.

This boat was street legal.Steve2 needs to give this old design a once over.

http://i41.tinypic.com/33u7ln5.jpg

but is that the most efficent/best performance?

[Steve 1]

but is that the most efficent/best performance?

I did not touch the tunnel and bottom just rolled the sides in and lowered the freeboard.

[Steve 1]

The mentality was like a funny car chassis you could put any body on it and this came off the original fixture.

[Sean H]

how wide is the tunnel on the 10m?

[Steve 1]

how wide is the tunnel on the 10m?

The last one I built was @54"

[Steve 1]

Thanks guys I will post more.

[Offshore Ginger]

OK,,, where is it?

Do you have a rendering? Cosmic , that is a very good question Steve 1 & 2 i have been lurking a wee bit on this thread and does the poll decide on what boat to build next........... or is that a stupid question because there is already a boat in the makings .

[Offshore Ginger]

The last one I built was @54"Steve , just curious how much wider do you think you could go and still be safe ?

[Steve 1]

Cosmic , that is a very good question Steve 1 & 2 i have been lurking a wee bit on this thread and does the poll decide on what boat to build next........... or is that a stupid question because there is already a boat in the makings .

we are using this poll as guide lines, nothing can be built until we know the power and more about the layout as everything changes from the bottom on up in a effort to get the most out of the boat.

[Powerplay25]

I'd love to see a 30' with a pair of 300 XS's.

[Steve 1]

I'd love to see a 30' with a pair of 300 XS's.


Thank You for taking part in our poll.

[DAREDEVIL]

I would love to see a 40 race to kick some a$$ !!!!!:cheers2:

[Steve 1]

I would love to see a 40 race to kick some a$$ !!!!!:cheers2:


Thank You Sir.

[Dunbar 104]

I always dream about a 30-32ft, 9-10ft beam, super cut down pleasure cat, with twin 300xs using 15 mids. Maybe 34ft if it could be made fast enough.

[Steve 1]

I always dream about a 30-32ft, 9-10ft beam, super cut down pleasure cat, with twin 300xs using 15 mids. Maybe 34ft if it could be made fast enough.

Thank You for your reply We build around people and the power there are no restrictions imposed by a mold , there is room for lowering the boat safely without removing any of my forward recovery.

[VetteLT193]

upper 20's with an option for an open bow or fun deck style. high sides and twin small blocks as a power option.

i.e. a new boat that is affordable, reliable, fast, fun, safe.

[Steve 1]

upper 20's with an option for an open bow or fun deck style. high sides and twin small blocks as a power option.

i.e. a new boat that is affordable, reliable, fast, fun, safe.

Thanks for your reply,We were playing with this 28, but bear in mind it is whatever wanted. Once you like the lines on paper then it gets built, there is no one size fits all


http://i43.tinypic.com/11t0gg3.jpg






In Black so the lines show:

http://i44.tinypic.com/17z328.jpg

[cowisl]

I would love to see a 30-32 for cat with ob's and a 40 race pleasure

[Maritime_eng]

I'd love to see a 30' with a pair of 300 XS's.

:iagree:

[Steve 1]

I would love to see a 30-32 for cat with ob's and a 40 race pleasure

That is a good OB size and it would run real good, Now the 40 I have some cool ideas from the Cheetahcat model 12 project. Thank You for taking time to post.

[Steve 1]

:iagree:

Thank you guys, that would run very well.

[Steve 1]

Thanks for all the compliments, as only a few know, there is more to these boats than I will post. Please PM me if you are interested!

[2TR]

Eggbeaters...:sifone:

[Steve 1]

Eggbeaters...:sifone:

Yes that would make a good combo on that boat, Thanks for looking.

[cigrunner38]

How exactly did you figure the step height and placement?

[Steve 1]

How exactly did you figure the step height and placement?

On my Cats the step itself is a straight run from the vent to the back if you were to place a straight edge on it let's say, there is a maximum angle which I do not ever exceed that is what controls the height, Now the front step starts at the projected center of gravity and I use equally spaced steps.

Thank You for asking.

[cigrunner38]

On my Cats the step itself is a straight run from the vent to the back if you were to place a straight edge on it let's say, there is a maximum angle which I do not ever exceed that is what controls the height, Now the front step starts at the projected center of gravity and I use equally spaced steps.

Thank You for asking.


What's the maximum angle and how do you determine the projected center of gravity? Sorry for the questions but curious what makes it work.

[TopSpin80]

Steve, thanks for the time posting these in both of these threads. I have had a miserable last couple of weeks and I just wanted to say I really appreciate being able to come home and see these threads. I am excited getting on the computer and lurking every night.

As far as what I would like to see built I have a few ideas for a 30-35 foot sport-cat for fishing/pleasure/poker runs. My family is calling now but hopefully I can post some later. I'd like to see what you think realistically of what I have in mind.

How do you decide on the compression of the tunnel and when/where it starts to get shallower

Again thanks for your time.

Ernie

[Steve 1]

Steve, thanks for the time posting these in both of these threads. I have had a miserable last couple of weeks and I just wanted to say I really appreciate being able to come home and see these threads. I am excited getting on the computer and lurking every night.

As far as what I would like to see built I have a few ideas for a 30-35 foot sport-cat for fishing/pleasure/poker runs. My family is calling now but hopefully I can post some later. I'd like to see what you think realistically of what I have in mind.

How do you decide on the compression of the tunnel and when/where it starts to get shallower

Again thanks for your time.

Ernie

Ernie you are very welcome and when I was posting on the 10 Meter fishing boat I could see a market for that kind of boat. again thank you for posting.

[Steve 1]

What's the maximum angle and how do you determine the projected center of gravity? Sorry for the questions but curious what makes it work.


The CG is a easy one to work out, that is done station by station on our drawings, same with waterlines ,curves of form, righting arm and etc that I used to do by hand on my small under 20 foot boats PIA, the angles I use are part of what makes my cats run along with the bottom running surface being Mass specific.

[DAREDEVIL]

The CG is a easy one to work out, that is done station by station on our drawings, same with waterlines ,curves of form, righting arm and etc that I used to do by hand on my small under 20 foot boats PIA, the angles I use are part of what makes my cats run along with the bottom running surface being Mass specific.

I am LOST !!!!!! LOL .....but i bet its good info ..hehe :cheers2:

[Steve 1]

I am LOST !!!!!! LOL .....but i bet its good info ..hehe :cheers2:
Sorry I was not trying to present it that way. Thanks

[DAREDEVIL]

Sorry I was not trying to present it that way. Thanks

NO,NO, not your fault...Steve,, i just don't have a clue about what u wrote..LOL

I guess i need to come to your shop and stay there for a week, then u can help me build my hatch for the boat and i can learn something !!!!!! LOL

:sifone:

[Steve 1]

NO,NO, not your fault...Steve,, i just don't have a clue about what u wrote..LOL

I guess i need to come to your shop and stay there for a week, then u can help me build my hatch for the boat and i can learn something !!!!!! LOL

:sifone:

You are always welcome.

[DAREDEVIL]

You are always welcome.

I'm on my way........ :driving::seeya:

[Steve 1]

I'm on my way........ :driving::seeya:


DD Nice talking to you. regards.

[cigrunner38]

The CG is a easy one to work out, that is done station by station on our drawings, same with waterlines ,curves of form, righting arm and etc that I used to do by hand on my small under 20 foot boats PIA, the angles I use are part of what makes my cats run along with the bottom running surface being Mass specific.

Is the CG based on a certain engine?

[DKwestern]

Steve, how about the "pickle fork" length. What determines where the deck (wing) starts between the sponsons? Is some of it aestetics and looks? If the deck was extended all the way forward on most of todays cats, would they pack to much air and get flighty and possibly blowover?

FYI: I voted for 30 outboard cat

[DAREDEVIL]

DD Nice talking to you. regards.

Same here, C-YA soon !!!!:seeya:

[Steve 1]

Steve, how about the "pickle fork" length. What determines where the deck (wing) starts between the sponsons? Is some of it aestetics and looks? If the deck was extended all the way forward on most of todays cats, would they pack to much air and get flighty and possibly blowover?

FYI: I voted for 30 outboard cat

Some of my Cats had a full tunnel on the pleasure boat version but the race boats had a calculated maximum tunnel length from a theoretical lift "off" at a top speed beyond the boats ability. The weight of air at sea level was the starting point in these calculations.

[ZBODaytona]

I voted 35 ish... Would be nice to see something from 28-35 with some small blocks or something like that could be run fast but stay under insurance nightmares. Raylar has those nice small blocks needing a test home...

[Steve 1]

I voted 35 ish... Would be nice to see something from 28-35 with some small blocks or something like that could be run fast but stay under insurance nightmares. Raylar has those nice small blocks needing a test home...

Good points thank you for voting.

[cigrunner38]

Engine weight and setback both.Thanks for asking.

Understandable. but when you look at a drawing/ boat without an engine where is the CG? And then when you add the weight of the engines what is the formula you use to determine where the CG becomes?

Is there an average weight used for people and fuel in this as well?

Without people where is it safe to lift with a forktruck and not fall off the end?

[cigrunner38]

On a race boat everything was considered ,Yes the engines are very much looked at in the design and on the drafting table as I do not ever Build Generic hulls and decks everything is specific to use and Power about the boat,I do not use any formula Per say but we had a time consuming method for this analysis that was very accurate. the weight of the fuel and crew is easy to establish in the cheetahcats

I keep the fuel around the CG so as it goes that effect is minimized like a seesaw with weight placed over the fulcrum has nil effect on the riders.

Forktruck? from the transom no problem.

I would enjoy knowing what that method is. Could you explain it?

From a picture of my boat can you tell me where the cg is? I'm building a lift so this is interesting to me. TY

[cigrunner38]

Why don't you just single sling the boat to find the CG ?

how do you do that and not damage the boat?

I'm thinking your formula would be easier. What exactly do you look at to calculate it?

[cigrunner38]

It will not damage the boat if done correctly and just takes a couple minutes,You can have the travel lift guy do it or drive under a A-frame.

I understand that but prefer to know the safer way.

What is the formula you use if the boat is empty of gear and people? I am thinking my stuff in the boat is behind the cg so no issue on a lift.

[Steve 1]

The 35 IO is ahead.

[cigrunner38]

Empty ?? it is a new boat in the design stage ,drawn exactly and I have the projected weight's per square foot of the hull shell,transom, internal structure, power and so forth. There is no pictures and guess work involved.

No. A 28 Skater but the weight thru out should be equal since lamination was.

But the engines and setback are in your formula? What exactly would 100 lbs moved back one foot do to the CG? Move it an "?"

[cigrunner38]

What I did on one system was divide the boat into 12" scale strips (I draw 1" scale)on a clean sheet of tracing paper placed over my drawing including the engines.

Each strip was then assigned its exact calculated weight then simple addition revealed the actual CG.

So moving 100 lbs forward or backwards 12" would move the CG how far?

[cigrunner38]

That would depend on the distance from the CG and the weight of the boat.

Reread. 12". The weight of the boat would not be an issue.

[Sean H]

Reread. 12". The weight of the boat would not be an issue.

100 lbs would effect a lighter boat more than a heavier. Also, moving the weight a foot off the transom or a foot off the CG would also greatly change the effect on balance.

[Steve 1]

100 lbs would effect a lighter boat more than a heavier. Also, moving the weight a foot off the transom or a foot off the CG would also greatly change the effect on balance.

I am still trying to figure this formula thing out.

[Offshore Ginger]

No, you said waterline. And then deleted it. You don't really know, do you?Excuse me Cig runner but there is no need to get rude considering this man deserves a lot more respect then you have to offer .

[Sean H]

I apologize but I asked Steve a direct question and he dissed me with no answer. I only want to learn. But I want to learn from people that know.

You havent provided nearly enough info for an accurate number. Hull weight, current CG are going to be the two biggest variables. You would still need to give what distance from the CG are you moving the 100 lbs 12 inches.

CG is fun to play with, but it requires a lot of info.

[Steve 1]

That is the best way on a existing boat there is no magic formula.

[DAREDEVIL]

Steve, remember what i said on the phone...to many ..lol

just ignore them and post a long....:cheers2:

C-YA !!!!!

[Steve 1]

Steve, remember what i said on the phone...to many ..lol

just ignore them and post a long....:cheers2:

C-YA !!!!!

I was trying to be nice and did not pickup on the Hatchet job.

[DAREDEVIL]

I was trying to be nice and did not pickup on the Hatchet job.

:cheers2:

[Steve 1]

:cheers2:

LOL this went from buoyancy to displacement waterline things we do on the table I changed water line to Displacement after being asked to devine the CG from Get this a Photo!! then I saw the game I should have asked for a method of Cold Fusion or room temperature superconductors maybe the 200 MPG carburetor he has buried in the back yard in return.

[Chris]

...aaaaaand now we're back on track.

I voted for the 35. I think that's probably the most marketable size. It's big enough touse in rougher water, but still friendly around the marina. And it's trailerable. Plus it'll run nice on a pair of 525's or like lightning with 700's. Or something like the Ilmor/Indy.

I saw the Spectre in that size a little while back. I'm surprised they're not selling more of them. Nice styling and a decent price.

[Steve 1]

...aaaaaand now we're back on track.

I voted for the 35. I think that's probably the most marketable size. It's big enough touse in rougher water, but still friendly around the marina. And it's trailerable. Plus it'll run nice on a pair of 525's or like lightning with 700's. Or something like the Ilmor/Indy.

I saw the Spectre in that size a little while back. I'm surprised they're not selling more of them. Nice styling and a decent price.


Ilmor has a nice package and the weight is very good.

[Chris]

And they sound downright mean.

[Steve 1]

And they sound downright mean.

They Sure do way cool! I will run the speed again on the 35 Steve2 has restyled that boatalso pretty cool.

[Steve 1]

:sifone:

[Steve 1]

Reread. 12". The weight of the boat would not be an issue.

No I looked at the Picture You need to move your wife back at least halfway in the boat. best regards.



http://i43.tinypic.com/pmyht.jpg

[Steve 1]

Steve Very Cool you should have added the 22 option.



http://i41.tinypic.com/11qphub.jpg

[Steve 1]

Steve maybe we add a small vee to the line.

[DAREDEVIL]

Steve maybe we add a small vee to the line.

Yeah,,like a 33 Aerotek...!!!!!!!!! I'm in !!! :cheers2::sifone:

[Steve 1]

Yeah,,like a 33 Aerotek...!!!!!!!!! I'm in !!! :cheers2::sifone:

That's what I was thinking there is a market for it from what I am seeing. Regards.

[Steve 1]

That was mature. If you don't know the answer to the question then just say so. And leave my wife out of it.

The answer to WHAT ????????????? I explained How and the method I use and Do not be stupid here !!! What is your silly game???? BTW show me your Boat running.

[Steve 1]

BTW I thought the Picture was Funny.

[Steve 1]

Dude I do not respond well to drunks so let's get that straight.

[Steve 1]

Let it go. I only responded to your insulting post, which I some what deserved, about my wife. She's a big lady but tons of fun!

You stated there was a CG formula and I asked what it was. Then you said to single-sling the boat which was the correct answer as I found out.

However here really is no CG formula which you fabricated so I felt mislead.

Just trying to learn here.....

I NEVER STATED that LIAR I said there was a "METHOD" I used LIAR Boy, Now you owe an Apology.

[Steve 1]

WHY do you have to lie ??? If you can't read admit it like a man!!

[Steve 1]

Then out of kindness I explained MY system unknowingly to a total Ingrate..

[Steve 1]

My Post LIAR:

Originally Posted by Steve 1 View Post
On a race boat everything was considered ,Yes the engines are very much looked at in the design and on the drafting table as I do not ever Build Generic hulls and decks everything is specific to use and Power about the boat,I do not use any formula Per say but we had a time consuming method for this analysis that was very accurate. the weight of the fuel and crew is easy to establish in the cheetahcats

I keep the fuel around the CG so as it goes that effect is minimized like a seesaw with weight placed over the fulcrum has nil effect on the riders.

Forktruck? from the transom no problem.

NOW My apology Butt wipe NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is what I get for being nice to a retard!

[Steve 1]

Now the Coward runs off!

[Offshore Ginger]

Now the Coward runs off!:iagree::rofl::rofl::rofl:Steve , i can see that the guns will be blazing tonite & stay tunned after this brief message !!!! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Steve 1]

I never said you lied. I only said you didn't know.

There is a big difference.

DID NOT KNOW WHAT Numbskull???????????????????? My stuff runs pretty dam good now show me Your LIAR Boats??

Guys this Insect is not smart enough to do this on his own,there are other people involved here who do not like Myself or Steve2


NOW again Chithead what DID I NOT tell you????

[Steve 1]

Thats what I thought, now I know who else is involved here!!

[Steve 1]

:iagree::rofl::rofl::rofl:Steve , i can see that the guns will be blazing tonite & stay tunned after this brief message !!!! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Artie some preople do not get it the same intensity we chase the clock bagging is part of our mentality there can not ever be any BS in our lives. This was a setup BTW.

[cigrunner38]

they paid me. w t heck!

[Steve 1]

they paid me. w t heck!

They need to hire a better grade of Lackey the next time.

[Steve 1]

Steve Sorry for your thread getting screwed up by a person who could not EVEN put the base line on a drawing in the right place, cigrunnypants.

[cigrunner38]

agreed

[Steve 1]

but they said you would suck it up and you two did!

Guys Runnypants here through this amazing reading comprehension that runs in his crew,Thought From that single Paragraph I posted NOW still with me ? that I had a Magic formula that JUST looking at a picture of a Boat on the internet would make the CG would appear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dude I would not be here BUT would be building Aircraft Carriers instead.

[DAREDEVIL]

they paid me. w t heck!

Paid for what , if may ask...want to follow your BS, kind of lost it there buddy.

[DAREDEVIL]

Hey, don't leave now...i just got involved !!!!!!! P L E A S E !!!!!!!!:sifone:

[Steve 1]

Smelled a stinking Rat: Runnypants Join Date: 02-20-2010 the only posting is in the cheetah threads.

[DAREDEVIL]

Smelled a stinking Rat: Runnypants Join Date: 02-20-2010 the only posting is in the cheetah threads.

:cheers2::boxing_smiley::cheers2:

I am here if u need me Steve !!! oh, anytime !!!:sifone::USA:

[Steve 1]

:cheers2::boxing_smiley::cheers2:

I am here if u need me Steve !!! oh, anytime !!!:sifone::USA:

Thank you.

[Steve 1]

Steve 2 Cleanup isle 5.

[03darkshadow]

where is the CG of my jeep? can i hang it by the windshield wipers from a tree to find it? thanks.



but as for the thread, i thought a 35 would be nice, because like everyone else said, its not too big where you'd need special permits, easy around the docks and could run real good with moderate (not 1000+hp) engines. whatever you decide to do keep us up to date with pictures, your builds are always interesting.

[Offshore Ginger]

CIGRUNNER 38 , I, think you have just about worn out your welcome here and may we bid you a very nice farewell.............:seeya:

[Offshore Ginger]

Smelled a stinking Rat: Runnypants Join Date: 02-20-2010 the only posting is in the cheetah threads. so who is he ?

[Steve 1]

where is the CG of my jeep? can i hang it by the windshield wipers from a tree to find it? thanks.



but as for the thread, i thought a 35 would be nice, because like everyone else said, its not too big where you'd need special permits, easy around the docks and could run real good with moderate (not 1000+hp) engines. whatever you decide to do keep us up to date with pictures, your builds are always interesting.

Sir thank you. The 35 is road legal and will run warp speed with 700's we have to get an insurance agent to set some guidelines to keep that aspect realistic. These boats have a great ride as well.

[DAREDEVIL]

[QUOTE=03darkshadow;477825]where is the CG of my jeep? can i hang it by the windshield wipers from a tree to find it? thanks.
[QUOTE]

YES U CAN,,,lol..let us know how it worked out and maybe cigdude can learn something !!!! HAHAHAHA :sifone:

[Offshore Ginger]

Steve 2 Cleanup isle 5. Steve 2 :rofl::rofl::rofl: would you please clean the $hit out of the isle so we could at least walk thru and ........... get a breath of fresh air and not step knee high in $hit .....shuhhh...... just kiddin:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Steve 1]

so who is he ?

I will let you know tomorrow soon as my info gets checked. Here is the thing he made a post then deleted it again and again,that is like the old pastor said cast a hand full of dust into the wind then try to get it all back. put the twisted info out then retract the lie.

That is why you have to treat this as an assault pure and simple.

[DAREDEVIL]

Steve 2 :rofl::rofl::rofl: would you please clean the $hit out of the isle so we could at least walk thru and ........... get a breath of fresh air and not step knee high in $hit .....shuhhh...... just kiddin:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Boat is on the way ...hurry up cleaning..LOL :toetap05:

[Offshore Ginger]

I will let you know tomorrow soon as my info gets checked. Here is the thing he made a post then deleted it again and again,that is like the old pastor said cast a hand full of dust into the wind then try to get it all back. put the twisted info out then retract the lie.

That is why you have to treat this as an assault pure and simple. Steve shoot me a pm or E mail your always welcome at my house .

[Steve 1]

Steve shoot me a pm or E mail your always welcome at my house .

Artie Thanks.

[Steve 1]

Boat is on the way ...hurry up cleaning..LOL :toetap05:

LOL this runnypants is too damn dumb to just go away.

[DAREDEVIL]

LOL this runnypants is too damn dumb to just go away.

LOL,i know.....but who gives a f... what he does ????? :willy_nilly:

[Steve 1]

LOL,i know.....but who gives a f... what he does ????? :willy_nilly:

He needs some remedial reading comprehension on about the 4th grade level for starters.

[Steve 1]

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On a race boat everything was considered ,Yes the engines are very much looked at in the design and on the drafting table as I do not ever Build Generic hulls and decks everything is specific to use and Power about the boat,I do not use any formula Per say but we had a time consuming method for this analysis that was very accurate. the weight of the fuel and crew is easy to establish in the cheetahcats

I keep the fuel around the CG so as it goes that effect is minimized like a seesaw with weight placed over the fulcrum has nil effect on the riders.

Forktruck? from the transom no problem.

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I would enjoy knowing what that method is. Could you explain it?

From a picture of my boat can you tell me where the cg is? I'm building a lift so this is interesting to me. TY
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Christ a friggin picture. I told him to move the Fat Woman!

[Steve 1]

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Why don't you just single sling the boat to find the CG ?
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how do you do that and not damage the boat?

I'm thinking your formula would be easier. What exactly do you look at to calculate it?

GEE I guess use a Nylon Sling and not a steel cable or battleship chain Also reading is a very Cool thing AS There is NO Formula !!!!!!

[DAREDEVIL]

I would say,,,no matter what boat how big..if somebody builds a lift for it and the rear half sits on the lift ( IF NOT A YACHT ) then it should be fine ?!

otherwise all boats would run nose down ?!!! NO ?????:confused:

[Steve 1]

Try to get back on track, here is another small but single step boat.






http://i44.tinypic.com/2cpuuqg.jpg

[glassdave]

That just looks like it would be a blast to bomb around in.

[Steve 1]

That just looks like it would be a blast to bomb around in.

Yes and it looks very cool ,there is no pointed box look with steve 2 ,I had a very cool bottom planed as well.

[DAREDEVIL]

Try to get back on track, here is another small but single step boat.






http://i44.tinypic.com/2cpuuqg.jpg


Steve,what drive would be on there ..i gues outboard only ?? NICE thoo

[Steve 1]

Steve,what drive would be on there ..i gues outboard only ?? NICE thoo

Thanks ,That was a outboard boat.

[Offshore Ginger]

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Why don't you just single sling the boat to find the CG ?
=======================================================


how do you do that and not damage the boat?

I'm thinking your formula would be easier. What exactly do you look at to calculate it?

GEE I guess use a Nylon Sling and not a steel cable or battleship chain Also reading is a very Cool thing AS There is NO Formula !!!!!!:iagree::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Steve2]

We understand that the 30 to 35 foot range is showing us the popularity, but we have an individual who really needs to see our thoughts on a 40 I/O, so I did a quick rendering, side profile only, to get his feedback and he really liked it and asked that I post it to see what you guys think.

So, here it is...enjoy and I will be working on a 32 to 35 footer soon.

Thanks for all the compliments and the feedback is helpful.

Steve 2

[Steve 1]

Steve I really like this.







http://i40.tinypic.com/dvj7tx.jpg

[DAREDEVIL]

Steve I really like this.







http://i40.tinypic.com/dvj7tx.jpg


WWWWWWOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW !!!!!!!!!!!!!:cheers2:

That is 100% kicka$$ !!!!!!!!:USA:

[cowisl]

Steve I really like this.







http://i40.tinypic.com/dvj7tx.jpg

Maybe round the transom off a little?

[YankeY]

:drool5::drool5::drool5:

[Steve 1]

:drool5::drool5::drool5:

LOL thank you Sir !!!

[Steve 1]

Maybe round the transom off a little?

There is more going on there,It gets a bustle in one configuration.

[.38Special]

I like it, but is that a closed canopy? Very cool lines.

[Steve 1]

I like it, but is that a closed canopy? Very cool lines.

There it is shown as a closed canopy but again that is up to the customer. Thank you.

[OneBadInjun]

Who bought the boat your going to build? :USA:

[Steve 1]

Who bought the boat your going to build? :USA:

One is going overseas.

[Steve2]

Would REALLY like to see one here in the US...it would offer someone a very custom, unique and aggressive boat that can easily be built to specs that are not possible with molded boats. And the speed per horsepower would be unequaled!
:driving:

[HaxbySpeed]

My vote: 30-32' single engine I/O. It's pretty easy now-a-days to get a 750-800hp engine, and one of your boats in that size I think would be pretty quick. A lot of my customers want custom power and don't want the additional maintenance cost of twins. A 30' with a big cockpit or open bow would be kick azz. :cheers2:

[Steve2]

135 MPH single engine open bow cat....?:cheers2:
What colors and whe do you need them?:driving:

[phragle]

If you really wanted to make a statement, you would put a hot tub in it, but I always thought ballast tanks went up front??????????

[Steve 1]

If you really wanted to make a statement, you would put a hot tub in it, but I always thought ballast tanks went up front??????????

LOL Jack Clark Had one in the Jaguar 50 Vee hull a while back.

[phragle]

A hot tub up front would make an interesting bow rider.....

[Steve 1]

A hot tub up front would make an interesting bow rider.....


Yes now to find some "Light water".

[Steve 1]

Pat has a nice drive unit for this combo as well.

[Steve2]

Steve, did you get permission to post the 36?

[Steve 1]

Steve, did you get permission to post the 36?

Put it up.

[Steve2]

This is the original concept drawing for a new Cheetah 36 10 series that has the lowered sides that transition into the center deck surface area, leaving about 6" of freeboard from midship forward - also, we are doing something very cool with a lowered cockpit that not only keeps the CG down, but the crew will not lose their view! Thats all I can say at this time.

I cannot post the detailed pics, but will dig up the top and front "concept" views when i get some more time - there are many items that are F16 inspired!

Enjoy!
:cheers2:

[Steve 1]

Steve I really like this.



http://i39.tinypic.com/whekk0.jpg

[DAREDEVIL]

Nice, but it looks like the 40 ??!!

Still ,, i love it !! :cheers2:

[Steve 1]

Nice, but it looks like the 40 ??!!

Still ,, i love it !! :cheers2:

It has too to keeping the line uniform BUT that is a starting point only NO two will ever be the same. The power and layout changes everything from the hull bottom on up.

[DAREDEVIL]

It has too to keeping the line uniform BUT that is a starting point only NO two will ever be the same. The power and layout changes everything from the hull bottom on up.

I bet a 36 with twin 525's and sixes would be bad ass for super cat light or any kind of racing...

me personally, i don't like the way the a$$ end looks ,,but i guess if had money to pay u ,,u would change it for me ..LOL


STEP UP AND GET A CHEETAH THE FASTEST ANIMAL KNOWN ON LAND WILL TAKE OVER THE WET ENVIRONMENT !!! :cheers2::USA:

Cool LOL

[Steve 1]

I bet a 36 with twin 525's and sixes would be bad ass for super cat light or any kind of racing...

me personally, i don't like the way the a$$ end looks ,,but i guess if had money to pay u ,,u would change it for me ..LOL


STEP UP AND GET A CHEETAH THE FASTEST ANIMAL KNOWN ON LAND WILL TAKE OVER THE WET ENVIRONMENT !!! :cheers2::USA:

Cool LOL

DD Thank ,you there is a little more going on the back there wait until Steve finishes with these concept drawings as they are a starting point in giving someone Exactly what they want, without restrictions imposed by molds. reply s like this help us with this process.

[Steve 1]

Steve I like this for the single we should give it some thought.

http://www.weismann.net/Press%20Pages/2008/WeismannDuoProp.htm

[DAREDEVIL]

Steve I like this for the single we should give it some thought.

http://www.weismann.net/Press%20Pages/2008/WeismannDuoProp.htm



:cheers2::iagree::cheers2:

[Steve 1]

:cheers2::iagree::cheers2:

Yes and only 300# with the straight push Via the Dual Prop. Nice Job Pat!

[afr]

Try to get back on track, here is another small but single step boat.






http://i44.tinypic.com/2cpuuqg.jpg

i like this one looks modern and fast

[afr]

hey steve you remeber this one i think steve 2 did a quick drawing for me on this one

[Offshore Ginger]

i like this one looks modern and fast Welcome and its always nice to see a new face....or old

[afr]

Welcome and its always nice to see a new face....or old
thanks man yea its old now lol

[Offshore Ginger]

thanks man yea its old now lol DAM , i guess we all are like bark on a tree and the funny thing is come july i will be 58 and things are suppose to get better ...... &.......how about you ? :seeya::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[afr]

well least im younger u lol
the doctor has me on light duty for 4 more months hes dreamin my work is harder then most peoples sport games i dont get how they say its not exersize slingin grinders and da,s buffers etc come on
then there going to stress test me after that i said i could out run anyone in the doctors office right now
i even ran up three flights of stairs to there office yea i was breathin a bit hard but not to bad

[Steve 1]

hey steve you remeber this one i think steve 2 did a quick drawing for me on this one

Popeyes was a stones throw down the street from us in Pembroke Park.

[Steve 1]

i like this one looks modern and fast

That was a drag boat we were looking at doing.

[afr]

Popeyes was a stones throw down the street from us in Pembroke Park.

i love Jr,s new cat with the 4 turbines they wanted to hire me and i turned them down wish i didnt now ooh well i could never have moved up there anyways at the time

by the way i voted for the 50 ft turbine in your poll go figure right lol
that sure would be a good project

[Steve 1]

i love Jr,s new cat with the 4 turbines they wanted to hire me and i turned them down wish i didnt now ooh well i could never have moved up there anyways at the time

It would have been a Way Cool adventure.

[Offshore Ginger]

It would have been a Way Cool adventure.:iagree:and were money is sometimes no object .

[Steve 1]

:iagree:and were money is sometimes no object .

That is class and a nice outfit to work for.

[afr]

im still in denile / shock
that it was actually scott i spoke with but im more then 95% sure it was

[Steve2]

just a slight variation....

[Steve 1]

Steve that 36 is gorgeous nice job



http://i42.tinypic.com/25iay43.jpg

[Sean Stinson]

Steve I haven't voted but I am going to input the following..... In todays economy I think that a 35 I/O is the way to go because of the all around values on every level that it offers..... However, you know me bigger is better and the more ponies under the hood the faster she goes..... I want to break the WWSR someday so anything in that arena has to be somewhat big as well as very fast!!!!!

Sean

[Steve 1]

Steve I haven't voted but I am going to input the following..... In todays economy I think that a 35 I/O is the way to go because of the all around values on every level that it offers..... However, you know me bigger is better and the more ponies under the hood the faster she goes..... I want to break the WWSR someday so anything in that arena has to be somewhat big as well as very fast!!!!!

Sean

You are right the 35 IO is the leader with the 30 close behind, Steve and I had something for the WWSR a long while back we were doing an Analyses of it was on the wall for years over the drafting table very cool looking twin Jet powered boat Steve had drawn with the vertical stabilizers off a SR 71 on the boat it was a neat piece and everyone who saw it was inpressed.

[Steve2]

This would be my update to the original 35, as Steve has stated that he would like to see it redesigned...of course we work closely with the owner to get it to meet their cosmetic requirements, but this is how I imagine the 35/36 would look today.:driving::driving:

[Steve 1]

This would be my update to the original 35, as Steve has stated that he would like to see it redesigned...of course we work closely with the owner to get it to meet their cosmetic requirements, but this is how I imagine the 35/36 would look today.:driving::driving:




Steve I really like the look.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2lo25wh.jpg

[Steve 1]

Steve You have the front and rear views of the 36 done?

[OneBadInjun]

anything new here?

[Offshore Ginger]

Steve 2 , i also like the look .

[afr]

hey you steve,s lol
why didnt anyone ever do a os version of a deep water hydroplane

[OneBadInjun]

Steve 2 , i also like the look .

X 2. :sifone:

[T2x]

hey steve you remeber this one i think steve 2 did a quick drawing for me on this one


Isn't that the Popeye's wooden Cougar from 1986.

Was Steve 2 involved with that project?

[OneBadInjun]

Isn't that the Popeye's wooden Cougar from 1986.

Was Steve 2 involved with that project?

Yes. And No.

[McCaffertee]

C'mon, Rich (T2x)...tell us how the O/B going inboard were supposed to work. And curiously, why didn't it? In theory, sounded good. Or did it work and never caught on?

[OneBadInjun]

C'mon, Rich (T2x)...tell us how the O/B going inboard were supposed to work. And curiously, why didn't it? In theory, sounded good. Or did it work and never caught on?It did work. It broke the kilo speed record in Nassau, Bahamas. It was engineered for 8 EFI 2.4 litre powerheads, 4 in each sponson, powering a common driveshaft via blower belts, to each speedmaster drive. It broke the kilo record with only 6 powerheads installed. The boat sat and rotted away on its tilt trailer, in front of Fort Apache, just behind the fence, for years.

[OneBadInjun]

this was a good thread...

[OneBadInjun]

looking for Steve1 and Steve2 updates. were these cats ever built? thanx

[OneBadInjun]

Good old thread. Anyone hear from Steve Koss and Steve Wilson? Any Cats being built?

[jrdonnellyjr]

I want more turbine boats

[OneBadInjun]

anything new with cheetah cat? also looking for the offshore video of it running & winning in the middle east races. Is it still on U-Tube? thx

[Ratickle]

So far I cannot find that video.

Do you remember anything more about it to help with searching? What year, what event, what city, etc.?

[OneBadInjun]

WILSOOOOOOOOOOOON!!! How's it going? Updates?