ALL NEW 520 Skater!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Here's some first time photo's of the all new 520 Skater. :leaving:

[TxHawk]

Turbines? Those are giganta-ducts!

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Here's some first time photo's of the all new 520 Skater. :leaving:

Here's a few more, set up for BPM's and a rudder. :cheers2:

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Here's a few more, set up for BPM's and a rudder. :cheers2:

Estimated top speed with 1500hp gas turbines is 195+mph.....:driving:

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Estimated top speed with 1500hp gas turbines is 195+mph.....:driving:

Estimated top speed with 1200hp is 160+. :bump:

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Turbines? Those are giganta-ducts!

Turbines, BPM's and a rudder.:USA:

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Estimated top speed with 1200hp is 160+. :bump:

and a few more..........:driving:

[ILMORdude]

I guess i'll go ahead and say HOLY $HIT!!

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and a few more..........:driving:

here's some graphics ideas for the new 520 Skater from Taod.

[ILMORdude]

When is the race/canopy version gonna be out????

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:ack2:
here's some graphics ideas for the new 520 Skater from Taod. :willy_nilly:

a few more. :cheers2:

[Premier Perf]

I guess i'll go ahead and say HOLY $HIT!!

x2:driving:

[blume]

When is the race/canopy version gonna be out????



It's available in a 4 seat or 6 seat canopy. This open cockpit is a 6 seater. :toetap05:

[SHARKEY-IMAGES]

That seems to be a bit longer than this one I was looking at...
I believe this is Mike's new "Jet Set' ???

http://sharkeyimages.zenfolio.com/img/v4/p993823320-4.jpg

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It's available in a 4 seat or 6 seat canopy. This open cockpit is a 6 seater. :toetap05:

A few more, everyone come see the Skater booth this Thursday till Monday at the Miami show. Booth 3180................:driving:

[SHARKEY-IMAGES]

It's available in a 4 seat or 6 seat canopy. This open cockpit is a 6 seater. :toetap05:
WOW !!! Look at the rocker Pete has put into these new hulls !!! :eek:
Unless my eyes are deceiving me it even appears he has a little something
going on after the 2nd step !!!

Perhaps with the turbines being so much lighter then other power plants, he needed to make some adjustments?

[Rik]

WOW !!! Look at the rocker Pete has put into these new hulls !!! :eek:
Unless my eyes are deceiving me it even appears he has a little something
going on after the 2nd step !!!

Perhaps with the turbines being so much lighter then other power plants, he needed to make some adjustments?

It's the same bottom. No changes are required for turbines.

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Here's some pictures of the new 520 Skater Catamaran!!!!! :driving:

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Here's some pictures of the new 520 Skater Catamaran!!!!! :driving:

6 seater...........:cheers2:

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6 seater...........:cheers2:

BPM drives and a rudder.:bump:

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BPM drives and a rudder.:bump:

a few ideas from Taod.:sifone:

[SKATIN]

I guess i'll go ahead and say HOLY $HIT!!

x3!!!!!!!!! Wish I had the $$ to trade the 24 in!!!

[cigdaze]

Wow. What a beauty. The gold and blue will look killer.
:cool:

[stainless]

It's a thing of beauty when Skater's on duty!

[stainless]

Wow. What a beauty. The gold and blue will look killer.
:cool:

+1! :cheers2:

[chewiekw]

Are they making a race version?

[Geronimo36]

46' hull with a bustle?

[Airpacker]

Come onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Lotto Max

[TCEd]

46' hull with a bustle?

using the Fountain measuring tape.

[Sean H]

Are they making a race version?

You mean like the old Bacardi Silver 46 with a rudder?

[Magic Medicine]

Sick!!!!

[ChiefApache]

Sick!!!!

You're still a member??? :kiss: Come say hi to the gang.

[detail toyz]

Dang how many new modeles they gonna have? Or are these just really custom builds?

[detail toyz]

Thing is sweet!!

[Ratickle]

Wow, need a test driver?????:sifone:

[SHARKEY-IMAGES]

46' hull with a bustle?
I wonder if this is the same boat ?

http://sharkeyimages.zenfolio.com/img/v2/p608029995-4.jpg

[Pro1]

Hey Tim post some Carbon Fibre pics!:26:

[Jesse James]

would this be replacing an OL cat for the owner?

[SHARKEY-IMAGES]

Hey Tim post some Carbon Fibre pics!:26:
:cheers2:

http://sharkeyimages.zenfolio.com/img/v4/p654465056-4.jpg

http://sharkeyimages.zenfolio.com/img/v2/p622225783-4.jpg

[Geronimo36]

would this be replacing an OL cat for the owner?

name starts with a "Z" ? :leaving:

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name starts with a "Z" ? :leaving:

NO, this one is for sale.:cheers2:

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Dang how many new modeles they gonna have? Or are these just really custom builds?

The boats posted are for sale and are new models, the 426 is a special ops project but it's a new model available to anyone needing a new Vee. Skater Vee's are now available in 399, 426 and the 488 all in the Super Vee series.
in sit down and stand up models. :driving:

:bump:

[Pro1]

:sifone::
name starts with a "Z" ? :leaving:

The Skaters and the Mystic all seem to be all Carbon Fibre.

http://www.turbinemarine.com/project_50_mystic.html

[Sean H]

:sifone::

The Skaters and the Mystic all seem to be all Carbon Fibre.

http://www.turbinemarine.com/project_50_mystic.html

both of them still build glass boats as well, the pleasure Mystic is glass as well as many of the Skaters still being built. The use (and price point) of the boat really dictates what materials go into it.

I believe Peter also starts with a glass skin coat no matter what the rest of the boat is going to be.

[glassdave]

both of them still build glass boats as well, the pleasure Mystic is glass as well as many of the Skaters still being built. The use (and price point) of the boat really dictates what materials go into it.

I believe Peter also starts with a glass skin coat no matter what the rest of the boat is going to be.

yep, the last couple i looked at were all S glass with a single skin of carbon fiber in the inside surface. Not sure what good that does other then for appearance. Still nice either way, you can tell they really take thier time and do some nice lamination. I always liked their tab work and their flatdecking is pure art. To be honest though I'm not a big fan of the bustle but thats just me.

[Sean H]

yep, the last couple i looked at were all S glass with a single skin of carbon fiber in the inside surface. Not sure what good that does other then for appearance. Still nice either way, you can tell they really take thier time and do some nice lamination. I always liked their tab work and their flatdecking is pure art. To be honest though I'm not a big fan of the bustle but thats just me.

the only layer that matters is the one you see right? :sifone:

[2112]

To be honest though I'm not a big fan of the bustle but thats just me.

+1 :rolleyes:

.

[stainless]

yep, the last couple i looked at were all S glass with a single skin of carbon fiber in the inside surface. Not sure what good that does other then for appearance. Still nice either way, you can tell they really take thier time and do some nice lamination. I always liked their tab work and their flatdecking is pure art. To be honest though I'm not a big fan of the bustle but thats just me.

The way pete explained it to me, He said it acts like an I beam to strengthen the whole layup.

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+1 :rolleyes:

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you have to have it with BPM drive's and a rudder.............:driving:

[2112]

you have to have it with BPM drive's and a rudder.............:driving:

See, What do I know :cheers2: .... :USA:

What did the do on the 46 Bud Select? Aquamania boats with rudders?

.

[Rik]

you have to have it with BPM drive's and a rudder.............:driving:

Blume, I'm 100% certain the Arnesons will fit it perfectly.

[Pro1]

yep, the last couple i looked at were all S glass with a single skin of carbon fiber in the inside surface. Not sure what good that does other then for appearance. Still nice either way, you can tell they really take thier time and do some nice lamination. I always liked their tab work and their flatdecking is pure art. To be honest though I'm not a big fan of the bustle but thats just me.

You two sure about that?

[blume]

Blume, I'm 100% certain the Arnesons will fit it perfectly.

Rik, you would know a lot more about that than me.

[Offshore Ginger]

yep, the last couple i looked at were all S glass with a single skin of carbon fiber in the inside surface. Not sure what good that does other then for appearance. Still nice either way, you can tell they really take thier time and do some nice lamination. I always liked their tab work and their flatdecking is pure art. To be honest though I'm not a big fan of the bustle but thats just me. Dave the skin coat has always been cheese cloth and lets not forget that when you look at something that is vaccumed bagged 2 layers of glass can look like one , and all tabbing including the areas that are bonded to the hull and deck that can be seen by the human eye are also cheesed over to hide the seems , and to tell you the truth i can not believe that you said that the carbon fiber on the inside surface of the boat is there for general appearance. Dave my very old friend and not to be rude considering both S and E glass look the same when laminated with epoxy ( Shell ) & cured how can you tell the difference between the two fabrics BY LOOKING AT THE LAYUP ?

[Pro1]

Dave the skin coat has always been cheese cloth and lets not forget that when you look at something that is vaccumed bagged 2 layers of glass can look like one , and all tabbing including the areas that are bonded to the hull and deck that can be seen by the human eye are also cheesed over to hide the seems , and to tell you the truth i can not believe that you said that the carbon fiber on the inside surface of the boat is there for general appearance. Dave my very old friend and not to be rude considering both S and E glass look the same when laminated with epoxy ( Shell ) & cured how can you tell the difference between the two fabrics BY LOOKING AT THE LAYUP ?

He cant and multiple pictures show the lay up. Not to mention when you cut a hole you can see how the layup was done. The 28 Skater was layed up differently. My factory tour showed in detail what laminates were used to build the boat when you purchase a boat.

Nothing like comparing a high end boat made with $9 per yard S glass verse $80 to $170 Carbon Fibre.

[skaterdave]

pro 1, you better check your math, S-glass is almost the same costs as carbon. E-glass is the standard type of glass used in most layups which is costs alot less. and honestly unless testing was done one could easily use E-glass and say its S-glass.

S-glass is comparable to carbon for some of its physical properties, its just not as stiff as carbon.

this is also when using E-glass and carbon together in a layup the carbon does all the work the E-glass is just adding bulk. so to add a few layers of carbon doesn't do as much as you think, and maybe defeat its purpose if you lower the skin thickness because your counting on the carbon.

[Pro1]

Material Density
(lb/cu in) Tensile Strength (psi) Modulus 106(psi) Specific Modulus
Veil Surfacing Mat .045 8,000 .7 15
Chopped Strand Mat .058 22,000 1.4 24
Woven Roving .060 40,000 2.0 33
10 oz. Fabric .060 33,000 2.4 40
Tooling Fabric .065 31,000 2.0 31
Kevlar® .050 49,000 5.0 100
Graphite, parallel to fiber .057 170,000 18.0 300

For Comparison
Steel . 280 160,000 22.0 78
Aluminum .100 70,000 10.0 100
Douglas Fir, parallel .020 8,000 1.5 75

[skaterdave]

Material Density
(lb/cu in) Tensile Strength (psi) Modulus 106(psi) Specific Modulus
Veil Surfacing Mat .045 8,000 .7 15
Chopped Strand Mat .058 22,000 1.4 24
Woven Roving .060 40,000 2.0 33
10 oz. Fabric .060 33,000 2.4 40
Tooling Fabric .065 31,000 2.0 31
Kevlar® .050 49,000 5.0 100
Graphite, parallel to fiber .057 170,000 18.0 300

For Comparison
Steel . 280 160,000 22.0 78
Aluminum .100 70,000 10.0 100
Douglas Fir, parallel .020 8,000 1.5 75

whats all that mean ? is that some kind of rebuttal ?

here's some easy reading for you.

http://www.corecomposites.com/reinforcements.cfm

along with

http://www.vectorply.com/pdf/ebx1700.pdf
http://www.vectorply.com/pdf/cbx1800.pdf

if i'm not mistaken skater uses predominately VectorPly glass. so the above two would be a good comparison of E-glass and carbon in a 17 oz glass layup. i'd post the S-glass pdf file but appearently either they don't make S-glass in 45-45 biax or its something special for skater? i've used S-glass for a few small projects in the past and its quite expense and i could only find it in uni-stand rolls.

[stainless]

Just to clarify, we're stating that skater uses S glass not E glass correct??

[Pro1]

S Glass is substantially cheaper then Carbon Fibre. Carbon Fibre is substantially stronger then glass. The new Gulfstream jet and the new Boeing 787 are 100% Carbon. Read numerous articles, technological developments and so forth. At 170,000psi of tensile strength nothing comes close in size or weight.

If carbon fiber is outside your budget, consider using S-2 glass. S-2 glass is a high performance fabric that was developed originally for military applications. It is 30% stronger and 15% stiffer than E-glass. It comes 30” wide in two weights: 3.7 oz. and 5.6oz. One of the big advantages of S-2 glass is that it is compatible with both polyester and epoxy resins, unlike carbon. At a fraction of the cost of carbon, this might be the solution you are looking for! Give it a try.

[skaterdave]

S Glass is substantially cheaper then Carbon Fibre. Carbon Fibre is substantially stronger then glass. The new Gulfstream jet and the new Boeing 787 are 100% Carbon. Read numerous articles, technological developments and so forth. At 170,000psi of tensile strength nothing comes close in size or weight.

If carbon fiber is outside your budget, consider using S-2 glass. S-2 glass is a high performance fabric that was developed originally for military applications. It is 30% stronger and 15% stiffer than E-glass. It comes 30” wide in two weights: 3.7 oz. and 5.6oz. One of the big advantages of S-2 glass is that it is compatible with both polyester and epoxy resins, unlike carbon. At a fraction of the cost of carbon, this might be the solution you are looking for! Give it a try.

have you ever bought S-glass? and if so where? you seem to be repeating something you read that pertains to aircraft and military uses with NO comparisons to real life boat structures.

[Offshore Ginger]

have you ever bought S-glass? and if so where? you seem to be repeating something you read that pertains to aircraft and military uses with NO comparisons to real life boat structures. It can be purchased thru Composites One www.compositesone.com , who does a lot of business with Douglas Marine / Skater and there sales rep is Ted Rogers and yes S-glass is being made by a host of companies like Owen's Corning and Vector Ply to name a few and for everybody who would like to know S-glass is the same as E-glass but has a much greater tensil strength,flexural strength and all around toughness . S-glass is also more expensive then E-glass like skaterdave stated and E-glass is more widely used in the industry because it is a very economical renforcement.

[Geronimo36]

:sifone::

The Skaters and the Mystic all seem to be all Carbon Fibre.

http://www.turbinemarine.com/project_50_mystic.html

Kenny, that has nothing to do with why I put a "Z" in my post....:willy_nilly::seeya:

[Pro1]

Kenny, that has nothing to do with why I put a "Z" in my post....:willy_nilly::seeya:

I know exactly why you posted a Z.

I have been posting on here as I wait for responses as I pass papers back and forth.

Where are all the Miami pics?

[Offshore Ginger]

Kenny, that has nothing to do with why I put a "Z" in my post....:willy_nilly::seeya: Frank , damitt whats the big secret and give it up .:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::seeya:

[Geronimo36]

Where are all the Miami pics?

I dunno, I'm stuck working....:cheers2:


Frank , damitt whats the big secretand give it up .:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::seeya:

You can spill the beans on that one dude!:driving: Not my place. :toetap05:

[Offshore Ginger]

I dunno, I'm stuck working....:cheers2:



You can spill the beans on that one dude!:driving: Not my place. :toetap05:Frank do you relize just how much $hit that will stir up ? Dam , i would be hung out to dry and besides do you think pics would be approbate ? I gotta say that every loyal *_* freak in the house would have more then there 2 cents to add , ha ha ha ha ha

[glassdave]

Dave the skin coat has always been cheese cloth and lets not forget that when you look at something that is vaccumed bagged 2 layers of glass can look like one , and all tabbing including the areas that are bonded to the hull and deck that can be seen by the human eye are also cheesed over to hide the seems , and to tell you the truth i can not believe that you said that the carbon fiber on the inside surface of the boat is there for general appearance. Dave my very old friend and not to be rude considering both S and E glass look the same when laminated with epoxy ( Shell ) & cured how can you tell the difference between the two fabrics BY LOOKING AT THE LAYUP ?

Artie the point of my post was not that i could tell everything about the laminate by simply looking at it. I actually just assumed Peter used S glass when laminating with fiberglass, I also thought thats what you had told me. As far as the content is concerned the two i had in the shop were primarily epoxy and fiberglass (whatever brand, weave, weight i have no idea). There was just a small amount of carbon at the inner most layer, and yes i also understand Peter has other schedules that i'm sure are up to 100% CF. I also have another one in my shop that has a great deal of Kevlar in it (what a pain to work with :D). As i said earlier i have always been impressed with the build quality.

One other thing to keep in mind as i have seen some references to carbon used in the aerospace industry. These differ greatly from carbon used in the marine industry and the properties really done carry over. Those type of strength numbers in CF can only be achieved by post curing and autoclaving.

[Offshore Ginger]

Dave , i apologize and when we talked about the content of what glass Douglas Marine , was using just how many years ago was that and did i not mention that Skater was using more E - glass then S - glass in there build because it was much more economical to use then S - glass because it offers a wide variety of weights and is a very hi strength fabric along with being cheaper which almost offers the same bang for the buck $$$$$$ but still not as good as S -glass as far as impact resistance and durability goes . Dam i hate this sometime's because everybody seems to get into a pissin match including my self about something that is so f**king stupid . Dave , you Dawgggggg and it was sure good talking with you today seeing that i was in Mich and you where at the boat show having a great time in warm weather looking at all those hot babes and great drinks to boot . Dave , i will give you a shout next week and what was the boat that had a hot tub in it again . ha ha ha ha CHESSE CLOTH .......Artie

[Offshore Ginger]

Just to clarify, we're stating that skater uses S glass not E glass correct?? Sorry for the late reply , yes Skater /Douglas marine uses S-glass in there build along with E-glass .

[stainless]

Sorry for the late reply , yes Skater /Douglas marine uses S-glass in there build along with E-glass .

Thanks for clearing that up! Do any other mfgs use s glass that you know of?

[glassdave]

Dave , i apologize and when we talked about the content of what glass Douglas Marine , was using just how many years ago was that and did i not mention that Skater was using more E - glass then S - glass in there build because it was much more economical to use then S - glass because it offers a wide variety of weights and is a very hi strength fabric along with being cheaper which almost offers the same bang for the buck $$$$$$ but still not as good as S -glass as far as impact resistance and durability goes . Dam i hate this sometime's because everybody seems to get into a pissin match including my self about something that is so f**king stupid . Dave , you Dawgggggg and it was sure good talking with you today seeing that i was in Mich and you where at the boat show having a great time in warm weather looking at all those hot babes and great drinks to boot . Dave , i will give you a shout next week and what was the boat that had a hot tub in it again . ha ha ha ha CHESSE CLOTH .......Artie

actually yea Artie now that you mention it i do remember you saying Pete used S and E glass. Gimmie a call next week