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Things may change seeing as I now have 4 person canopy mold, but either way the single F-16 lid had to be removed and the tube widened 7 inches on each side to allow enough room for a side by side configuration.
Once everything was cut clear we removed the F-16 Canopy, It was pretty heavy - I was a little surprised.
I'm really shocked how thick this hull/deck is.. In some areas it's 1 1/2- 1 3/4:eek:
The boat is scary solid ! Oh' and I have 2 80 gal fuel tanks for those 500 mile offshore races. :eek:
Next we removed all the rigging and cut the lip back to exposed the tube completely
The fuel tanks actually sit 2 inch's higher than the bottom of the floor, so this will require us to build a "sub floor" witch will not be so bad because I can run all the rigging under it
All this work was done on Sunday (8hrs) so I feel we got a pretty good jump on the project, but with work and another race boat this is going to take a while.
Once I rebuild a larger tub I'll look into the 4 person skater canopy I have, If I feel it cannot be attached safely and securely I will attach a fairing I have off another cat and graft that in.
catastrophe
02-01-2010, 09:10 AM
Another great build project !!!!!!!!!!!!
ufix1
02-01-2010, 09:14 AM
Cool!! keep us posted :sifone: :D
VICIOUS
02-01-2010, 11:29 AM
Rick, I am glad you finally committed to that project, it was a long time comming !!:driving:
VICIOUS
02-01-2010, 11:33 AM
That back room sure looks familiar !:rolleyes:
Sparky! Long time, no see bud! Hope all is well.
Cool project Rick, amazing what you find once you start cutting into these things.
Last night after work I finished opening up the cockpit to the needed size.
I than "mocked up" some cardboard to the angles I would like the windscreen or canopy lid if I go that route.
after placing a couple 2x4 across the opening to give my seats a flat surface to sit on I'll start setting seat height and position
Dude! Sweet!
02-02-2010, 03:09 PM
Can I just say BOOOOO! :sifone: And good luck! Looks like it's coming along nicely.
thedonz
02-02-2010, 03:20 PM
:cheers2:
Sean H
02-02-2010, 03:27 PM
cuttin' apart boats is fun! :bump:
cuttin' apart boats is fun! :bump:
But Putting them back togther sucks.. :AC:
:sifone:
Wahoo 214
02-02-2010, 05:51 PM
So does the fiberglass glass in your arms.
A little quick photoshop work.. lol. Each panel is build so I can move it with support parts behind, just like in real life.. :driving:
Ratickle
02-02-2010, 07:25 PM
Hey Rick, so you decided to do it.
I think you should put the side by side on and go see what Ryan does out there on the course......:sifone:
Are you going to try for 4 seats, or just side by side????
It will be a side x side with a simple rumble seat (bench) in back for the cooler or kids when cruising around Lake St Clair.
I might order a couple more buckets and put them in back, but that decision wont need to be made for a little while.
Ratickle
02-02-2010, 07:41 PM
Are you gonna pull a flimsy canopy from the mold and set it on there to see what you have???
Are you gonna pull a flimsy canopy from the mold and set it on there to see what you have???
Not sure yet. First I want to get the tub, floor, dash, center counsel and rear seating area built than I'll look into whats best.
VICIOUS
02-03-2010, 01:47 AM
Rick, Your doing a killer job !! I will call on the resin tomorrow .
VICIOUS
02-03-2010, 01:51 AM
Sparky! Long time, no see bud! Hope all is well.
Cool project Rick, amazing what you find once you start cutting into these things.
Ted, How ya been? I packed it up and moved it all to SC, I am in the middle of building a new shop right now.
What did you ever do with the Couger ?
Bradz
02-03-2010, 12:25 PM
Wow, you move fast. Looks great! Keep us posted as I love projects like this.
I just ordered a 55 gal. drum of resin and 100yrds of 1708 cloth...
I than used cardboard chuncks to build a templet for my new bulkheads
Once the shape was good I cut out some parts out of 5/8
Once cut I rounded the edges and they slid in perfect!
Keep in mind this wood will be painted with resin and have 1708 cloth over it, than put back together and another layer will be placed over that.
Other side, same story... and basic shape
Last I caped off the end behind the front seats with some 5/8 that will be tided into the main floor as well as the deck.
Same as the bulkheads, I made a cardboard template and traced it on the plywood.. perfect fit.
Thats it for today... I'm going to the bar. :cheers2:
Ted, How ya been? I packed it up and moved it all to SC, I am in the middle of building a new shop right now.
What did you ever do with the Couger ?
Don't want to hijack Rick's thread (very cool thread BTW Rick) but we ended up selling the Cougar to a guy who had "dreams" it just wasn't in the cards for us to get it done. So about 6 months ago a buddy of mine says "Hey I saw the Cougar" . Turns out it is about a mile from my house in a marina stall. Guy has hacked the top off and is trying to fabricate a canopy. He has told people he wants to hang like 4 outboards on the back and go 150 :sifone: I am trying to get a chance to see it, might have to get some pics:) Good luck in SC, hope to see ya at the races!:sifone:
It will be a side x side...Love the seats... :)
http://www.limestonedev.com/mti/08.jpg
VICIOUS
02-07-2010, 12:06 PM
Don't want to hijack Rick's thread (very cool thread BTW Rick) but we ended up selling the Cougar to a guy who had "dreams" it just wasn't in the cards for us to get it done. So about 6 months ago a buddy of mine says "Hey I saw the Cougar" . Turns out it is about a mile from my house in a marina stall. Guy has hacked the top off and is trying to fabricate a canopy. He has told people he wants to hang like 4 outboards on the back and go 150 :sifone: I am trying to get a chance to see it, might have to get some pics:) Good luck in SC, hope to see ya at the races!:sifone:
Ted, when you get pics I want to see it !
VICIOUS
02-07-2010, 12:19 PM
Rick, Like I told you are doing a great job !:driving:
I Photoshoped up a blue print and it seemed to work out better than expected.
Spent the last week/weekend at a trade show for work so I did not do chit to the boat.. But I'm back at it now.
Today I did some more sanding/grinding.. yup, thats about it. I spent 10 hrs with a grinding wheel in hand. :toetap05:
I did start laying the 1708 cloth over the bulkheads, I was hoping to get them set into place today but with the cooler temps (50) They took there sweet time drying so I'll try for that next weekend.
VICIOUS
02-26-2010, 12:24 AM
Where we on the project Rick, and it's not a Dux it is a Ceaser far better SLT.:smash:
This weekend I plan to attach and glass in the bulkheads than start attaching the sides. Cutting was easy, the glass work is allot more time consuming.. :ack2:
bulletbob
02-26-2010, 09:56 AM
I would like to see the photos of you glassing in the bulkheads. Great thread. Keep us posted. Bob
Well I gunked in the parts yesterday and started "tacking" them into place with smaller pieces of 1708 cloth.
The gunk is the gray stuff in the corners. This gives the edges a small radius so the cloth does not do a sharp 90' degree angle and possibly have air voids.
Today I over lay larger pieces of cloth to really give the bulkhead a good bond to the boat.
Yes I'm a slob with the glass... I was hanging in a strange position and my chest and armpits now have funny looking bruises. :toetap05:
Ratickle
02-28-2010, 11:29 AM
I was hanging in a strange position and my chest and armpits now have funny looking bruises. :toetap05:
How about her??????:eek:
Hauling Trash
02-28-2010, 07:12 PM
Looks great
Offshore Ginger
02-28-2010, 07:41 PM
Rick , just a few questions ,do you think that a wind screen like a Skater 28 would look better then old school and what is the grey gunk ( putty ) in the corners D B F - BY CHANCE ?
Offshore Ginger
02-28-2010, 07:44 PM
This weekend I plan to attach and glass in the bulkheads than start attaching the sides. Cutting was easy, the glass work is allot more time consuming.. :ack2: Rick , just remember if you want it to look nice take your time .
Gunk is a marine style bondo i guess, Sparky from Vicious Marine can explain it better than I can I'm sure. so Hopefully he chime in and posts.
I don't mind that the bulkheads are not perfect, I just want them strong. Today I put the corner sheets on, than over lapped them, than over lapped those! When it was all said and done the last pieces of 1708 cloth were a little over 2ft long spanning out to the original hull and stringers.
Next weekend I'll grind them smooth and apply a couple more "larger sheets" :eek:
I would post picture but the camera is sitting back at the warehouse on my mid-section.
Ratickle
02-28-2010, 08:37 PM
I would post picture but the camera is sitting on my mid-section.
Now that's a picture I don't want to see......:eek:
rchevelle71
02-28-2010, 10:03 PM
Looks good Rick, I hope to start layin glass next week.
Back at it today and May thanks to Bill for all his help. If anyone care Bill is one of the designers of the first 26 Redline BITD and is one hell of a layout man.
First we build the "side walls" outside the boat so all they needed to do was slid them into place.
Once the parts were built Bill busted out the router to roll the edges. This keeps air voids to a minimum.
Than we rolled the inside corners with the gunk. The reason we use gunk instead of bondo is gun is kicked with resin and in water proof were bondo is not.
Next we pre-cut (well Bill did) each piece of cloth to make installation a breeze.
We than did the "Inside" first. This will keep my time smashed inside the sponson with resin and cloth to a minimum.
After all the corners were done we laid one large sheet the full length of the part.
Ratickle
03-07-2010, 11:19 AM
That sure looks to be strong.
Today I cleaned up the edges on the fiberglass I did yesterday and did some grinding to get them to fit perfectly in place.
I than finished tabbing in the bulkheads so those are now ready to go..
Next I cut the "nub" off the front that was left over from the F16 canopy. Once that was finished I ground down 6 inch's around the cock pit, this will give me nice fresh glass to attach the front sheets to.
Once everything was ready I built a quick temporary throttle/shifter box to find out exactly were I want to build my seat bases.
Wrinkleface
03-07-2010, 11:57 PM
Today I cleaned up the edges on the fiberglass I did yesterday and did some grinding to get them to fit perfectly in place.
I than finished tabbing in the bulkheads so those are now ready to go..
Next I cut the "nub" off the front that was left over from the F16 canopy. Once that was finished I ground down 6 inch's around the cock pit, this will give me nice fresh glass to attach the front sheets to.
Once everything was ready I built a quick temporary throttle/shifter box to find out exactly were I want to build my seat bases.
real cool re-do, Thanx 4 sharing!:cheers2:
VICIOUS
03-08-2010, 09:14 PM
Rick , just a few questions ,do you think that a wind screen like a Skater 28 would look better then old school and what is the grey gunk ( putty ) in the corners D B F - BY CHANCE ?
Yes, Detroit Body Filler !
Rick it is looking good , Glad you got billy helping you out.
Ok, I'm back at it....
Ok, we attached the cock pit walls to the deck, lid and bulkheads. Yes this part sucked.. a 6'3 240lbs person does not fit well in a 14in space while fiberglassing.. :ack2:
After the back was tied in I began to grind the paint so I can attach the dash panel and center counsel
After noticing how close the corner of the seat was to the corner of the cock pit I decided to cut it back on an angle. I notice those seats do flex and god for bid we are hit I don't want to take a 90 degree angle to the back of the shoulder.
I than mocked up the dash so I can get some measurements..
I built 5 throttle boxes until I found one that fit perfect offering enough room and easy arm placement.. This took to long. :ack2::willy_nilly:
Once the dash angles and throttle position were set I began to attach the old cock pit to the new cock pit.
I only needed to do the area that will be behind the dash at this time.
Than I ground the corner pieces to a perfect fit..
AIR TIME
03-28-2010, 11:39 PM
looks great keep it up.
RDMAN
03-30-2010, 08:15 AM
Great Project !!
I did build a dash and glass it in last week but forgot to take pictures so I'll do that later. As of now I'm doing the bottom on my 34 Sea Ray getting her ready for summer and this project will be forced to sit.
But I did get this interesting picture of another person who cut there F-16 canopy off and made it an open 4-seater. :eek:
This project is going to take a while with the kids racing, soccer, band and all the other normal family stuff.
As of now I have 1 free day a week to work on the boat - Wed night from 8:00pm till 10:pm :ack2:
May - 12, 2010: I glassed the dash into place and used "Gunk" to blend in the edge of the dash to the deck. *Note the cardboard guage cluster for my layout
It's hard to tell but this is under the dash. I glassed each edge to the cockpit. I also made 4 braces attaching the front of the dash to the front bulkhead for strength and to help support the helm.
DAREDEVIL
05-13-2010, 11:57 AM
Nice, just wonder why u used wood instead of foam ...is it still going to float ?????? LOL:sifone::bump:
I than removed all the rigging * Just pulled it into the back and hide it.. :sifone:
The one side of the cockpit wall had a large "heavy" self that the fire extinguisher and a few other items sat on. We removed this and opened up the hole earlier in the project to allow easier access to the sponsor for glass work. Now I'm cleaning up the top so it will match the bottom and building a couple access panels. I than cut a scrap pc. of core to match the top to the bottom, I'll gunk it in later
Nice, just wonder why u used wood instead of foam ...is it still going to float ?????? LOL:sifone::bump:
I'll be using both, just right now I'm using the wood. So far I removed 398lbs of canopy, glass, wood and foam core and added approx 77lbs in glass, gunk, cloth and wood.
Cutting the back seating area and rounded the corners was next on the list.
After the corners were cut I ground the deck flush with the cock pit walls
Than ground out the rear seat base clearing the floor up for the new seat mounts I'll be installing at a later day.
I cleaned up and called it a day.. :smash:
Big Time
05-13-2010, 01:23 PM
Wow, really coming together.
TopSpin80
05-15-2010, 09:48 AM
Where can I buy the DBF Gunk?
The project is looking great.
Ernie
Wahoo 214
05-17-2010, 01:25 PM
Where can I buy the DBF Gunk?
The project is looking great.
Ernie
http://www.epfiber.com/
lowblue320
06-23-2010, 08:01 PM
any updates??
any updates??
I have done a little work but with the summer boating months I have been slacking.. :(
Hey Rick off topic but will you and Mary be at Beach Grill on Saturday? Boat is looking great, when do I get my ride?
BTW, it is Paul lol
Hey Rick off topic but will you and Mary be at Beach Grill on Saturday? Boat is looking great, when do I get my ride?
BTW, it is Paul lol
Thanks Paul.
But no beach grill for us, we spend most our weekends anchor out on the water with a cold drink in hand :sifone:
My work schedule opens up in 10 days were I should be able to start working on her again at a good pace.
DCP21
07-11-2010, 09:59 PM
Whats the deal with the 4 person canopy Mold? Do you have any pics and would you be willing to pop one out??? Let me know
Whats the deal with the 4 person canopy Mold? Do you have any pics and would you be willing to pop one out??? Let me know
The canopy will be custom project, Once it's shaped I'll make a mold from the plug to build the workable part.
Ratickle
07-15-2010, 08:53 PM
Whats the deal with the 4 person canopy Mold? Do you have any pics and would you be willing to pop one out??? Let me know
Check with George, IMCO. He may have a 4 person canopy mold still.
SteveDavid
07-16-2010, 04:54 AM
2TR,
Thank you for sharing your project. The passion for what you do comes thru in your pictures and explanations. I look forward to watching the progress with the highest regard for your level of commitment. Seeing what can be from what you started with is a gift.
Steve
Ok, I'm back at it. Problem is I only have 2 nights 8pm-12pm that I can work on her so it's going a little slow..
Last night I started building the plug for the canopy. Seemed simple enough...:ack2:
I cut the tallest part of the canopy rib first. The angles were made from bending a think piece of molding than cut out with a jigsaw.
Next step was bending the thin wood strips across the span. I'm not sure if thats the right way to do it but it was easy for me. once every thing was tacked in a would measure and cut than install a rib every 12-14".
If you notice the rib closes to the dash, I cut that out and placed my seat in the cockpit to make sure my head had enough room and my line of site was good.
nothing like working with wood; or fiberglass on a nice hot/ humid night:willy_nilly:
This was enough for one night..
More next week, I hope!
Magic Medicine
08-13-2010, 11:02 AM
Cool
Ratickle
08-13-2010, 11:05 AM
Next step was bending the thin wood strips across the span. I'm not sure if thats the right way to do it but it was easy for me. once every thing was tacked in a would measure and cut than install a rib every 12-14".
If you notice the rib closes to the dash, I cut that out and placed my seat in the cockpit to make sure my head had enough room and my line of site was good.
Did you leave room for those truck balls too??????
It's TRUCK NUTZ
Things are coming along nice, now I need to think about power
Triple 250xs
Twin 300's
Twin 280's ???
Triple 280's ??
Wahoo 214
08-13-2010, 01:03 PM
Twin 525s
MANITIE
08-13-2010, 02:00 PM
cool project.....will the canopy fall within the Lavin guide lines...that if you wanted to race or build a canopy for a race boat it would pass inspection...
Wahoo 214
08-13-2010, 02:24 PM
I think Rick's plan is to build a 90 mph canopy similar to a bat boat style. Not a Mystic/Skater 200mph canopy.
cool project.....will the canopy fall within the Lavin guide lines...that if you wanted to race or build a canopy for a race boat it would pass inspection...
Yes it will.
I think Rick's plan is to build a 90 mph canopy similar to a bat boat style. Not a Mystic/Skater 200mph canopy.
HEY... 100mph
MANITIE
08-13-2010, 02:46 PM
Yes it will.
Cool....
Ratickle
08-14-2010, 09:43 AM
It's TRUCK NUTZ
Things are coming along nice, now I need to think about power
Triple 250xs
Twin 300's
Twin 280's ???
Triple 280's ??
Just buy this one and put all four on......
http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/boa/1889992991.html
DCP21
08-15-2010, 01:27 PM
We have everything cut off, lowered the deck by 6" Now its time for re-construction of the fwd deck. It looks like we are going to do a custom on-off also, set up for 4, Maybe 5,
Is this ever a good way to start the day when you walk into the shop?
Ratickle
08-27-2010, 01:00 PM
At least they're using a funnel......
Back to the grind..
Last night I finished up the wood "striping" and the windsheild are.
my angles are at 30 degrees for the best possible deflection. I took the design and help from the aussy..
The overall size, length and height fit the boat perfect. The front above the windscreen will be much lower and slopped that what I have now, I just ran out of time last night.
Offshore Ginger
08-27-2010, 04:43 PM
Back to the grind..
Last night I finished up the wood "striping" and the windsheild are. l@@king g@@d guy .
l@@king g@@d guy .
Thanks!
But after looking at it I may change the angle from 30 to 25 degrees. The fun never stops.. lol and to be honest I have never done anything like this before, Hell I never even worked with fiberglass till I started this project so Its taking longer than expected.
Offshore Ginger
08-27-2010, 06:58 PM
Thanks!
But after looking at it I may change the angle from 30 to 25 degrees. The fun never stops.. lol and to be honest I have never done anything like this before, Hell I never even worked with fiberglass till I started this project so Its taking longer than expected. Hey guy just curious are you doing this project in Epoxy ? I gotta tell you seeing that you have never done this type of work before the beauty of everything is... if you f**k it up :rofl::rofl: it can always be fixed and overall when all is said and done i think it will be a nice looker . I was just wondering what you are trying to achive with your canopy as far as what type of material you are going to use fabric / core / ext /ext and how strong ( structural ) do you plan on making the canopy ?
I'll be placing 1/2 inch balsa-core (sp?) over the mold I'm making. Than I'll glass and shape it into it's final design. Once thats done, I'll pop the balsa-core part off and glass the inside with a couple sheet of 1708 cloth also giving me 4 layers (and on matt layer on the outside) with a Balsa-core center.
Plus I'll have pillars built in with a roll cage.
With the F16 canopy the boat was a pin in the ass for anything other than racing, now I'll have a 4 person race/poker run boat.
Bilgerat
08-27-2010, 10:53 PM
I will have to post a pic of the deal i started on my floor, Great minds think alike, Same windshield angles etc. for my 30' cat project.
today I changed the windshield angle from 30 degrees to 25 degrees and than "shrunk wrapped it"
This will keep the inside clean from resin and help keep the balsa-core from sticking to the part.
Bobcat
09-12-2010, 07:32 PM
Looks Awesome.
Offshore Ginger
09-12-2010, 07:40 PM
Needs a different angle in the front or maybe its just the shrink wrap .
Must be the picture angle or shrink wrap. I built the canopy to look like this, the only big difference is the windshield angle. I lowered mine to a 25 degree for a smoother look.
This weekend I started the jig-saw puzzle of adding the balsa-core to the project. I think I spent more time thinking than doing physical work.
Well I started the worlds biggest jigsaw puzzle last week and now its finished!
I must have 8-10 hours in this part :toetap05:
I'll shim and glue it into it's final positions this weekend before I start laying the resin.
The straight line angles and Sharpe edges work great with the boats lines. The pictures don't really show the whole view and how the lines flow.
Overall I happy with the results just not the amount of time this project is taking working 3 hrs twice a week..
old377guy
10-01-2010, 11:37 AM
very excellent, I appreciate your approach to design,good luck - Jeff
Maritime_eng
10-01-2010, 12:08 PM
This is a great thread and always look forward to updates. Just a question for you. Are you going to leave it closed canopy with lids or cut open the top to make it a windsheild?
Right now the plan is to make a dual lid system. The first lid over the driver/throttle area will be a normal "smaller" one. The second lid over the back seats will be a little larger so it can be removed for pleasure boating.
Like a hard to convertible.
Maritime_eng
10-01-2010, 12:56 PM
Right now the plan is to make a dual lid system. The first lid over the driver/throttle area will be a normal "smaller" one. The second lid over the back seats will be a little larger so it can be removed for pleasure boating.
Like a hard to convertible.
That will be a very nice setup!
VICIOUS
10-03-2010, 10:20 AM
Rick, It looks great ! !
Offshore Ginger
10-03-2010, 11:41 AM
Rick, It looks great ! !:iagree:
Cookee
10-04-2010, 07:49 AM
we're currently building a 34' (38' overall) mono with a partial canopy for Endurance racing in the UK - we need to have a 1.3 metre square hole to exit out of to comply with the rules and it will look like this. We have made the plug and moulds and are going to join the hull and deck whilst all still in the moulds to give us a seamless boat with no rubrail - The leisure version will have a removable roof that will fit in the engine compartment and be used for rainy or cold days - it will be used in England after all!
rschap1
10-04-2010, 08:21 AM
What an awesome thread (and project)!
This weekend:
I used a hot glue gun and some "shims" to attach the balsa to the shrink wrap. This should allow for easy removal of the part when the glass work is finished.
We than mixed some resin and started applying it to the lid. The fist batch was mixed a little light and once it got tacky I applied another "hotter" batch. The resin flowed nice and filled most the smaller crack in the balsa.
Next I used "gunk" to fill in the larger cracks and gaps in the balsa-core. I also used it to help even out the high's and lows.
I'll be using a professional at this point to do the finish body work so the part looks right. But no more updates for a few weeks.. I have to put the Sea Ray up for the winter and Gary and I need to get ready for the OPA World's race in Orange Beach..
:driving:
Wahoo 214
10-04-2010, 11:21 AM
Looks good.
Next step was to skim coat and body work the balsa-core to a nice smooth surface. This will help keep any air voids from forming when we lay the first layer of cloth this week.
The balsa core is ready to have its first layer of cloth applied later this week..
If you notice we never did any body work up front or near the side windows. I'm going to build up any low areas there with cloth & resin for a stronger finish because those area will have material (holes) cut for the windows.
Wahoo 214
11-15-2010, 12:14 PM
If you notice we never did any body work up front or near the side windows. I'm going to build up any low areas there with cloth & resin for a stronger finish because those area will have material (holes) cut for the windows.
You know what I noticed is that I never see you doing the dirty work. It's always Darryl :smash:
You know what I noticed is that I never see you doing the dirty work. It's always Darryl :smash:
I'll sand and grind but when it comes to finish work its best to allow the guy that knows what to do work. :sifone:
I just noticed this thread. Wow is all I can say.
While I might have the mechanical ability to pull something like this off, I certainly do not possess your determination, drive, and willingness to wear fiberglass!!! I was sweating, itching, and scratching just reading the first two pages!
Kudos to a spectacular build!!! Looking forward to watching your progress and seeing the final result.
Last night we placed the first real piece on top; 1-1/2oz Chopped Strand Mat and does it suck up the resin, We used almost 2 gallons on this alone.
Those above 3 pictures were taken with my phone so they may be a little grainy. I stopped in this morning a shot a couple more of the dry part with a real camera.
Our next step will be a layer of 1708 cloth ...
Wahoo 214
11-17-2010, 12:03 PM
Looking Good
NEXT... 1708
We scuffed up the chop cloth and cleaned the area to get ready to apply the first sheet of 1708 cloth. This cloth is the real strength to the lid, we will have one layer on the outside and 2 on the inside.
Once the sheet of 1708 was cut we mixed up a gallon of resin and started wetting out the cloth. It laid on perfect flowing around the corners.
Once it was laid out Darryl rolled out any air bubbles and used a plastic bondo squeegee to remove the extra resin.
:sifone:
It's been a good week.
ItsPeanut
11-22-2010, 09:03 PM
Amazing project and keep up the great work.
Todd D
11-25-2010, 04:22 PM
Looking good.
Ratickle
11-26-2010, 10:10 AM
As soon as you're done, I have a hull to put a canopy on......:D
Looking really good Rick.....
2nd Layer of 1708 is now on and this canopy is pretty strong. Two of us were able to sit on the top with very little flex in the part. Once we apply another layer on the inside with the glassed in bulk head/roll bar it should withstand most any hit.
We did make sure to make the over-laps 16 inch's on the top center and corners along with a few extra pieces on the front whindsheild. This was done to add even more strength encase roll over or hit.
Now that the multiple layers of 1708 cloth has been applied we can now prep the part for body work
This is done by once again covering the part with 1.5oz chop cloth. This chop cloth is applied so when body working the part with sand and cut into the chop, not the 1708 with is the strength of the part.
The part should be ready to pull in the next day.
We pulled the canopy free .. it's lighter than the F16, maybe 150lbs so far but very awkward to move around with only two people. Tonight we will be building a nice 'large" square table to work on.
#1 The floor base is made from 3/4 marine plywood. Once everything is mocked up and finalized we will make an aluminum seat base that will be attached from the bottom, also the seat base will be glassed down with 1708
#2 next was this channel will house my throttle and shifter cables, maybe other junk.. not sure yet.
#3 Shifter box made from 3/4 9*notice the flat spot on top, I made that as a step for climbing in and out.
#4 also we made a arm rest in the center that will double as a step for climbing in and out of the boat.
I'm happy with the angle of the seats and throttles and have lots of legs room so I'll pull everything apart and router the edges and start glassing the undersides of all hidden parts.
Ryan Beckley
12-14-2010, 01:04 PM
You've done amazing work with great detail. IMO you may want to re-think the throttle box and it's position......
You've done amazing work with great detail. IMO you may want to re-think the throttle box and it's position......
Just curious as to why? I have built 4 or 5 and each one is a little different with different angles.
This one is very comfortable with the seat angle and I don't feel to cramped (6'3") and Gary (5'5) does not have to stretch to use it.
Of all of them this feels the 'best" but I'm open to suggestions and ideas
fantastixvoyage
12-14-2010, 01:30 PM
Forgot all about this thread, boat's looking good Rick. Should be ready to splash in the spring no problem.
Thanks!,
Once done we will start on the Skater.
Ryan Beckley
12-14-2010, 02:17 PM
It's just my opinion, but, it looks like an after thought there and in the wrong position. I would rather see a set of Latham or Skater throttles in there. I actually took this same set of throttles out of my 24' and replaced them with used Latham throttles. I guess I just like the looks of the "race" set up of the stringer or top mounted throttles, not "the box". I AM really amazed at the work you've done and think you are doing a great job.
fantastixvoyage
12-14-2010, 03:05 PM
Thanks!,
Once done we will start on the Skater.
Rick - lets see if I can get the house projects done before you finish the canopy! Rather than spending my cash on boring things like carbon fiber and number six drives for the skater I've been spending it on cool stuff like flooring, light fixtures and appliances :rolleyes:
rschap1
12-14-2010, 03:24 PM
Amazing thread!
Amazing project!
Last comment reminds me of the harley commercial from a few years ago:
Scene:Front porch Grandpa and Grandsom...Fairly noisey Sportser rolls down road in front of farmhouse.
Grandpa:I remember my Harley...
Grandson: Grandpa, you had a Harley?
Grandpa:Nope. Got aluminum siding instead:(
MOBILEMERCMAN
12-14-2010, 03:37 PM
Just curious as to why?
Of all of them this feels the 'best" but I'm open to suggestions and ideas
Everything looks great.. As far as the throttles go it appears you have to push them up as you push them forward.. My initial thought is that won't be very comfortable..
Carry on ..
p-f-e
12-14-2010, 08:18 PM
Rick did i shrink 6 inchs and were not talking about we willie. The throttle postion is pretty good at wide open my arm is almost straight out and when i pull back its at a nice bent position.It looks worse in the picture then it really is.
Ratickle
12-14-2010, 10:19 PM
Everything looks great.. As far as the throttles go it appears you have to push them up as you push them forward.. My initial thought is that won't be very comfortable..
Carry on ..
The Bat Boat was that way....
Rick got a couple nice blisters in St Clair from it last year......:sifone:
TYPHOON
12-15-2010, 09:03 PM
Rick, I had my Throttle in the same position as you have yours now. I have to agree with Mobilcam that your arm will fatigue in a race with that set up. I had a harder time keeping it WOT when racing in the big and heavy chop. Every time the boat lands or slams down so does your arm. A straight forward and back motion with a arm rest for support works great. Just some thoughts. It is a cool project.
MD
Rick, I had my Throttle in the same position as you have yours now. I have to agree with Mobilcam that your arm will fatigue in a race with that set up. I had a harder time keeping it WOT when racing in the big and heavy chop. Every time the boat lands or slams down so does your arm. A straight forward and back motion with a arm rest for support works great. Just some thoughts. It is a cool project.
MD
Thanks Randy for the input. I'll look closer at the arm/throttle angle tonight.
Project is on hold for a little while. I jumped off the side of the boat striking my left elbow on the boat next to me. After 4 weeks if pain that would wake me up at night I finally went to see the Doctor. Seems I tore the tendon off the back of my arm and cracked my humerus (sp?) in the ball socket area.
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So I tore apart mt bathroom last weekend.. :ack2:
rschap1
01-18-2011, 01:06 PM
Heal up, speedy recovery to ya!
Ratickle
01-18-2011, 01:20 PM
Project is on hold for a little while. I jumped off the side of the boat striking my left elbow on the boat next to me. After 4 weeks if pain that would wake me up at night I finally went to see the Doctor. Seems I tore the tendon off the back of my arm and cracked my humerus (sp?) in the ball socket area.
:toetap05:
So I tore apart mt bathroom last weekend.. :ack2:
Well that just sucks bud......
Get well real soon....
Cookee
03-07-2011, 10:06 AM
Project is on hold for a little while. I jumped off the side of the boat striking my left elbow on the boat next to me. After 4 weeks if pain that would wake me up at night I finally went to see the Doctor. Seems I tore the tendon off the back of my arm and cracked my humerus (sp?) in the ball socket area.
:toetap05:
So I tore apart mt bathroom last weekend.. :ack2:
Any better yet?
All the above mock up parts were not used and once again I made another throttle box.. (I Think it's my 6th) To flatten out the push. So it's a forward push, not an upward.
All parts were made from 3/4 Marine wood that was glued, screwed and glassed together on the inside. The outside I'11 just covered it with 1.5oz Matte cloth so I can sand and finish it later.
Once all the parts were built and dry they were sanded up than screwed, body worked and glassed to each other making a nice once piece center counsel / rear foot rest.
The cables and wiring will run down the inside of the tunnel, into the foot rest than up front keep a nice clean look on the inside of the boat
The seat base, throttle box/counsel and rear foot rest were attached to the boat with strips of 1708 cloth Than every thing was covered with 1.5oz matte cloth.
It's a little "thick" in some areas but I guess I'll have to address that with a sander once its time to finish paint the inside.
Wahoo 214
03-15-2011, 10:03 AM
Wow! You are far more talented than I expected. Seriously that is awesome.
old377guy
03-16-2011, 01:53 AM
great job
rschap1
03-16-2011, 11:33 AM
Nice! ! !
Excalibur Racing
03-16-2011, 11:47 AM
I remember you talking about this awhile back, you knew you chit! I knew you could pull it off then! Great work!!
rchevelle71
03-16-2011, 03:42 PM
Looks great, how much weight is all this wood gonna add to the boat??
Looks great, how much weight is all this wood gonna add to the boat??
To be honest I worry the hell about that.. I look at the part I'm making, if it needs to be strong, really strong or just cosmetic and build with that in mind.
The seat bases have 3" holes cut in them, the cockpit fuel tank access panels are made from 1/4 with a sheet of 1708 to keep the weight down..
The center counsel / foot rest only weighed in at 11lbs I think, the floor panel with the plate under it for the bolts tipped the scale at 14/15lbs.
The F-16 Canopy I cut off was in excess of 200lbs, but the new one going on so far is 160lbs..
I just need to be weight conscious on every part that I make / install.
happy
03-16-2011, 04:56 PM
better get going the flower pot may get in the water first!:D:icon_bs:
better get going the flower pot may get in the water first!:D:icon_bs:
Not unless there is a flood. :D
600sci
03-16-2011, 05:26 PM
Why did you use heavy wood instead of lighter materials?
Why did you use heavy wood instead of lighter materials?
For the center counsel I wanted it strong, seeing as I have a arm rest / step going in that myself and Gary will be using every time we climb in or out of the boat.
Same for the foot rest and seat base. I have some foam core material that is a "little" lighter but I did not want to buy a sheet just to save 5-8lbs in this area, maybe I should have ??? I hate second guessing. :banghead: The Foam Core stuff I have will be getting used later in the project.
I did right down the weight of each part and it's not totally obscene, I think it's close to 30lbs added with what you see, but I'm going off memory so don't quote me. I think the Gaffrig Throttle/shifter system weights as much or more than what I installed.
rchevelle71
03-17-2011, 07:02 AM
Thats cool Rick,
I am not knocking the wood, was just curious if you had considered weight. When I did my Pantera I used all wood also, sometimes the cost/weight savings of the foam just doesnt work out.
Rick
rchevelle71 no problem with weight or asking..
The inside of the canopy was smoothed, body worked and had a nice layer of 1708 placed inside. One piece on each side than one large piece down the middle that ran up (or I guess that's down) the corners. This gave me a nice 2 layer wrap on the corners were I would want my strength during a flip or impact.
**The canopy is a little heavier than I estimated. I figured we would come in around 200lbs.. I'm thinking more like 250/280lbs.
I Did remove 2 1/4 to 2 1/2 inch's of material around the base when I trimmed it up removing 15lbs and once the windows are cut I'll be removing another 60/80lbs, but replacing them with 20-30lbs in Lexan.
** Camera battery died so I never got a picture of the last inside pc.
Once the seats were set in I found my center to cut my hatch.
** Back to how thick this is, I'm a little thicker than 1" and more than half of that is 1708 cloth!!
Gary and I weight both over 250 sat on the lip with our legs in the hatch hole and "bounced" with very little (next to no) Flex in the lid and that's without having the sides glassed in :eek:
Needless to say we over built it..
Ready to cut the windows... I think (so far) I like the sharp / straight look instead of the curved look. The reason being is the boat has a lot of square lines and I feel the square look will match better with the hull.
But this is a one shot deal so once I make my decision there is no turning back.
bulletbob
03-23-2011, 11:51 AM
Looks great rick! You going to splash that thing this year? Bring it on down to SC. Bob
old377guy
03-23-2011, 12:01 PM
Ready to cut the windows... I think (so far) I like the sharp / straight look instead of the curved look. The reason being is the boat has a lot of square lines and I feel the square look will match better with the hull.
But this is a one shot deal so once I make my decision there is no turning back.
I agree with your assessment; the sharper angles look better. You can overdo the whole curvy thing.
With the help of GlassDave I took the line art he did a couple years back and drew the canopy on it to scale and shape.
This should help me with the window designs. :sifone:
Bobcat
03-23-2011, 05:04 PM
Boat looks awesome.....and I love the new avatar !
Boat looks awesome.....and I love the new avatar !
Thanks! seems no one knows who Master Shake is.. lol
The canopy has been cut down to match the contour of the boat perfect!
I also removed the front lift rings that will be "re-installed" at a later time. Doing this allowed me to move the complete canopy 5" more forward allowing better access in and out of the front seats.
Also my C.G. is really close to exact center now.. I'm sure I'll be off a little when I start to add more cloth, resin, hardware and what-not. But I'm much closer than before.
The rear hatch was cut for the people in the back seat..
Front windows cut and so were the sides.. It's much lighter than I thought. As it sits now I can lift it straight up without much trouble.
old377guy
03-29-2011, 12:15 PM
Very good job, congratulations.
Sean brought this to my attention yesterday..
My CG was just in front of the "redline" on my drawing. With the weight being added equal (maybe less than) what was removed everything is about the same except I'm moving the throttle man forward "next to the driver"
Thats approx. 300lbs person, seat, brackets, throttle box..etc.. moved up 36-38" to the front of the boat.
Will this cause any issues? I have to figure its nothing worse than having someone sitting in the back seat of your 30 O/B spectre cat and moving to the front seat.. right?
The Cockpit area is a fixed point so that never moved, just the driver was moved over to allow room for the throttlemans seat to be placed next to it..
Ratickle
03-29-2011, 03:00 PM
Just drive from the back seat when you race.....
Just drive from the back seat when you race.....
I'm not that tall.. :driving:
Ratickle
03-29-2011, 03:07 PM
Extenders......
Like Mini Me......:D
600sci
03-29-2011, 08:06 PM
Sean brought this to my attention yesterday..
My CG was just in front of the "redline" on my drawing. With the weight being added equal (maybe less than) what was removed everything is about the same except I'm moving the throttle man forward "next to the driver"
Thats approx. 300lbs person, seat, brackets, throttle box..etc.. moved up 36-38" to the front of the boat.
Will this cause any issues? I have to figure its nothing worse than having someone sitting in the back seat of your 30 O/B spectre cat and moving to the front seat.. right?
The Cockpit area is a fixed point so that never moved, just the driver was moved over to allow room for the throttlemans seat to be placed next to it..
I am not an expert, but i would think it matters? On the other hand your new canopy looks heavyer in the back then the old F-16 and is maybe a wash in weight then?
fantastixvoyage
04-04-2011, 04:10 PM
And who knows if it was truely correct before anyways as it ran in a few different configurations.
Would be tough to run with the new builds (DW, etc) so just get it out and enjoy the hell outta it! Will make for a killer weekend and poker run toy and still run p-class just fine. Look forward to seeing it, been awhile since I've been up there.
Ratickle
04-05-2011, 02:41 PM
Get ahold of Ryan or Kyler and find out about the best spot for CG in race trim.
Balance the boat on a round wood pole and find out how close you are with fake drivers in it as balance ballast. Then identify all moveable weight and balance the boat as it should be.
You should have enough to move to offset your movement of the existing weight if it is an issue. Otherwise use moveable seats and steering/throttles in race configuration vs pleasure configuration.
Just lots of sanding and grinding going on.
I ground 8" out around the complete canopy and also everything on the inside. I made a SERIOUS mess in the shop. :biggrinjester:
Don't you think I shelved this project.. I just have been to busy to post any pic's. LOL
I'll be bring this up to date very soon
600sci
08-12-2011, 05:53 PM
Don't you think I shelved this project.. I just have been to busy to post any pic's. LOL
I'll be bring this up to date very soon
I WAS WONDERING !!!!!!! :huh::D
Ratickle
08-12-2011, 07:48 PM
Don't you think I shelved this project.. I just have been to busy to post any pic's. LOL
I'll be bring this up to date very soon
Too busy???????:D
I may have a "problem" with projects.. The reason the boat has been put on the back burner for a while is a bought a crap hole house on the water. I was going to tear the house down at first and have a empty lot with a BBQ and tables.. just a place to keep the Sea Ray during the summer..
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Well one thing lead to another and.........................( I love a challenge)
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I'm about a week out from getting final inspections and carpet.. already have the place rented.
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Bobcat
12-06-2011, 03:56 PM
Nice ! Does the front of the house face the canal?
The back is on the canal, and I mean RIGHT ON THE CANAL.. You can step from the deck to your boat with out touching the grass.. lol
This was the back of the house.. the home was originally a duplex that I turned into one large open space home.
This back room was the "storage are" / entrance way for the upstairs unit. I cut a hall way in, header-ed up the roof
line, put a door wall in and ripped the walls down on half the room to make it a covered porch.
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Both pictures were taken from approx the same place..
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Once this project closes I'll start back up on the cat.. :sifone:
Ratickle
12-07-2011, 01:22 PM
This summer can we all come crash at the Canal house??????
Maybe a stop for a Poker Run and you could cook for everyone??????
That house and yard is far to small, I bought another water front home last month that we have already closed on and moved into.. this one would be perfect for a poker run stop.. lol, Large yard (350x120) deep canal, 4 covered boat wells, with sea wall for dockage and 1 covered well has a spiral stair case to the top with a large octagon deck looking out over the water. .... and a "bar", cant forget the enclosed bar building on the property.. lol
Ratickle
12-08-2011, 08:58 AM
I'd ask for the address and pick a date for about 40 of us to show up.
But you'd probably give us the address of someone else.......
I'm back... !!!
I was able to lift the complete canopy set up off by myself, flip it than set it up on a couple saw horses.. I'm really surprised as to how light the whole thing is.
Granted I will still be adding some body work, glass and windows at a later date that should as 50/65lbs.
But before I pulled and flipped the part I cut and "gunked" in the rear roll brace that site right behind our seats. This part was cut in to lay / push against the inside lip on the hatch to help provide extra support in-case the boat is flipped or hit up top. Also by doing this before I pulled the lid it helped stiffen up the canopy so flex was kept to a minimum
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Next the canopy supports were cut and "gunked" in. I used more gunk than normal but I wanted a nice genital radius for the cloth to attach to.
Once the front part was gunked in I applied a finish radius to the rear roll bar than the inside of the lid, when that was finished we took 1 1/2 round oak and cut this to fit on the sides.
Bobcat
01-23-2012, 12:32 PM
Uhm Rick.....Gentle radius:eek:
Beautiful work.
rchevelle71
01-24-2012, 10:27 AM
Uhm Rick.....Gentle radius:eek:
Beautiful work.
You beat me to it, he said Genital, and Gunk in the same sentance:ack2:
Ratickle
01-24-2012, 08:45 PM
I'm really surprised as to how light the whole thing is.
What's your gut feel at this point for added/reduced weight overall with the changes?
And what's the boat sitting beside it?
Uhm Rick.....Gentle radius:eek:
Beautiful work.
This phone has gotten me more than once and much worse....lol
The boat next to mine is a 30ft phantom
Last Nights Work..
Quick look at how the front supports were made..
I Used round stock OAK for its strength. I Than cut 1/4 inch off the bottom of the round stock so it would lay nice and flat on the canopy.
Once the parts were in place I than took a small 90 sander and ground it to fit as perfect as I could to help eliminate any possible air voids.
Once finished we put down a nice bead of GUNK. Than the support was set into place. I was careful not to press to hard as I did not want all the gunk to squeeze out.
Once I was happy with the placement we gunked between the canopy and support than I took a plastic bondo knife that I cut to a curve and just pulled it down the line making a nice radius that the fiberglass cloth should have no problem sticking to with a very little chance of air voids.
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Ratickle
01-26-2012, 12:53 PM
Why did you decide to go with oak instead of something like carbon fiber rod or a kevlar/carbon weave fillet???
Why did you decide to go with oak instead of something like carbon fiber rod or a kevlar/carbon weave fillet???
I wanted to run pcv piping so I could run a couple switch up top, but I was told that 1 1/2 pc. of oak would add a tremendous amount of strength, so that's the route I went.
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This weekend..
After I pulled the radius around the parts I still wanted to sand them smooth, I found this round grinding wheel that fit great and did a perfect job!!
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I than began to attach the rear lib lip with some 1708 cloth. I first cut the four corners
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I than cut the sides and finished with the front and back. I made sure to over lap each
piece of 1708 to help insure strength.
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I also attached 1708 to the front pillar area, but ran out of cloth ... (dran FedEx)
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Ratickle
02-17-2012, 11:21 PM
All right.....
Two weeks with nothing??????:toetap05:
All right.....
Two weeks with nothing??????:toetap05:
Just lots of sanding, grinding and fitting.. nothing really interesting to take pictures of yet.
I'll be ready to attach the canopy soon.. should make for some good chat.
Ratickle
03-09-2012, 03:13 PM
Are you gonna finish it this year and run it?????
I did start another project and once again this is pushed back to once a week of work.
All the 1708 was cut to wrap the inside frame.
The frame is made from 3/4 marine plywood and
the square edges are rounded.
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I found it better to number each piece of cloth
and lay it out on a sheet of cardboard, then wet it out.
Take the next piece and lay it on top and wet that out..
seems to work well and has little material waste.
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Part is finish sanded, and I started running the lines inside.
Figure I'll do the big stuff now so I'm not crawling inside and
out threw a canopy hatch.
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Ratickle
03-13-2012, 08:06 AM
That would get old in a hurry I imagine......
Lookin good......
Well I'm back at it ... I went threw and inventoried all my parts. After sitting around the shop for the past year with me no were to be seen
I'm only missing 1 volt gauge ... I can accept that.
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I gave the floor a quick sanding with 80 grit to remove all the bad stops. I really dont think its worth the time to make it look like new.. even when this boat was new it
didnt look perfect - HELL, ITS A RACE BOAT.
I than rolled on the first coat..
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After the floor coat was rolled on and dried I placed the seats into there spot.. I also cut the dash and mounted the helm and ran the hyd.lines to the front.
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Next was to figure out my dash lay-out. I have much less room than before and much less than a normal dash..
I needed to watch were the gauges went as I have back braces behind the dash glassing everything together.
(now I realize I really "over built" parts of this project)
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Drilled and finished.. Once this was done I wet out the inside of the holes with resin so I dont have any exposed wood.
Also, not sure if you can tell but the dash is 3/4 thick.. once again, WAY OVER-BUILT.
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The idea is to rig as much as possible before we attach the canopy - this will (should)
make it a little easier so I'm not crawling in and out the hatch..
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Ratickle
10-31-2012, 10:36 PM
Bout time you got back to work instead of goofing off with Gary all the time!
All the wire is now far to short to run up front, so it's gott'a go..
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I forgot to cut the fuse panel...
Always make sure to paint any exposed wood with resin to ensure the water stays out..
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After everything was mounted I was reminded that I did not need teathers in a
canopied boat..
This worked out great as my pig-tails were not long enough to run to were I wanted to
put the ignition keys.
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I simple removed the teathers, cut the hole into a square..
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Made a aluminum backer plate
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and done..
This large looking metal I-beam is actually pretty light.
It will be mounted and used as a step to climb in and out
along as the mounting point for our 5pt straps.
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*Safety time: NEVER WEAR GLOVES WHILE DRILLING.
The bit broke and than the drill and little part of bit left in the chuck slide across the part, than the broke small part in the drill snagged my glove and drove the broken drill bit threw my finger.
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Hellbent
11-05-2012, 08:20 PM
Doh....ouch.
Ratickle
11-05-2012, 10:05 PM
Dang Rick, good thing you don't have to drive the boat soon.....
Easy weekend..
I finished pulling all the lines from the back to the dash, than refitted the Aluminum I-Beam bracket.
This I-beam was in the boat before when it was the F16 canopy so why not reuse it, right?... lol
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This will also work as a step while climbing in and out of the boat. I noticed that I'll need to fab a
step/arm rest because getting in and out with out one is a Bi**tch
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Canopy lifted and set on.. It's a awkward shape but it cant be that heavy. I did lift it up myself
and I'm no hulk hogan.
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Step 3287.. lol
This week I attached the canopy to the deck. I used a little bondo to set the top down onto.
I went with bondo over gunk for a few reasons.. the main one it's easier to sand the radius.
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I used a 1" pc. of pvc and some elbow grease..
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The front (under the skim coat of bondo) is attached with Gunk. If the boat ever is stuffed
this will take the brunt of the impact and gunk does offer a greater strength over bondo.
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At the last second I decided to move the canopy a few inch forward. This was done to allow better acess into the front drivers area and to take a little more weight off the
stern as the boat always rode as$ end heavy. The negative is the rear seat room has a little less head room and I'm stuck with some extra body work from the previous F16
canopy.
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The boat was de-rigged and prepped for inside fiberglass work.
The rear of the canopy was glassed down to the deck on the back part. Once this was finished I cut
a piece to cover that area and body worked it in, simple.. but time consuming
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Bobcat
11-19-2012, 05:23 PM
Some amazing work.
Ratickle
11-24-2012, 06:07 PM
How much weight do you think you cut out, if any???
How much weight do you think you cut out, if any???
Not really sure, most likely will be around the same but wont know till I'm finished.
endeavor1
11-26-2012, 03:40 PM
impressive to say the least
Ratickle
11-27-2012, 09:36 AM
Can't wait to see it. The last pic I have of it you were slightly out of control in Harrison.......:sifone:
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