Funds Brave restore thread

[fund razor]

How many gallons is your stock tank? Mine has a label on it that says 120, so if you think you'll retain that much, maybe your original one has more capacity???

JCG

Hi J,

I don't know. It has no label anymore. I have a copy of Bill's survey when he bought it from the original owner in 2008. It states that it is a "reported 135." (Meaning that Aaron Pullen told the surveyor 135.) I had a 128 in my stinger.
135 is an unusual number (odd too :D) but the guys who know say that they put in what they had on hand, to an extent. This one went in under the cockpit deck. The tank cover is smaller than the tank. When I can get a measurement of the tank out of the boat I will know for sure. But, my point is that because of the liner and the relative good shape of the liner I don't want to cut it. I would rather lose a few gallons than cut it. I am not going to cruise at 80. And when I spend a day running fast, like a poker run, I will buy more gas. My leisure destinations are within 45 miles or I am trailering and dropping in. I saw how much was hanging under, and I know how big a 5 gallon can is.... and I am good as visualizing... ok at math.... I say that I lose 8 gallons, maybe 10. I am anxious to see what I have.... but I know that any boat built in Miami can lose a few gallons and exceed my nearshore great lake needs. ;)

[Ratickle]

Hi J,

I don't know. It has no label anymore. I have a copy of Bill's survey when he bought it from the original owner in 2008. It states that it is a "reported 135." (Meaning that Aaron Pullen told the surveyor 135.) I had a 128 in my stinger.
135 is an unusual number (odd too :D) but the guys who know say that they put in what they had on hand, to an extent. This one went in under the cockpit deck. The tank cover is smaller than the tank. When I can get a measurement of the tank out of the boat I will know for sure. But, my point is that because of the liner and the relative good shape of the liner I don't want to cut it. I would rather lose a few gallons than cut it. I am not going to cruise at 80. And when I spend a day running fast, like a poker run, I will buy more gas. My leisure destinations are within 45 miles or I am trailering and dropping in. I saw how much was hanging under, and I know how big a 5 gallon can is.... and I am good as visualizing... ok at math.... I say that I lose 8 gallons, maybe 10. I am anxious to see what I have.... but I know that any boat built in Miami can lose a few gallons and exceed my nearshore great lake needs. ;)

No one makes an inflatable bladder option for boat tanks???

[fund razor]

No one makes an inflatable bladder option for boat tanks???
It just felt wrong. I will make the final decision based on what the dimensions are (were), but I am willing to lose a small percent. I think that using a new tank, and avoiding cutting the liner at the base is the right thing for a piece like this one.

[Buoy]

So are you cutting up the existing tank to remove it? Just trying to make sure I got this right.
Sorry to hear you're running into this John. Major kick in the goobies.
I don't have an access panel in my boat, so if I ever have a problem, I would imagine the entire floor would have to come out to access the tank.:ack2:

[fund razor]

So are you cutting up the existing tank to remove it? Just trying to make sure I got this right.
Sorry to hear you're running into this John. Major kick in the goobies.
I don't have an access panel in my boat, so if I ever have a problem, I would imagine the entire floor would have to come out to access the tank.:ack2:
Yep. Cutting out the old tank. I didn't think that there was a tank cover, but I used a mirror in the valve access to look across the space between the tank top and the floor bottom and saw a rim and a stray screw. Give away. I slit the loncoin down the back, behind where the rear seat goes, and found the cover edge.

[Buoy]

Yep. Cutting out the old tank. I didn't think that there was a tank cover, but I used a mirror in the valve access to look across the space between the tank top and the floor bottom and saw a rim and a stray screw. Give away. I slit the loncoin down the back, behind where the rear seat goes, and found the cover edge.

Time for the sweaty, grungy clothes... and lots of beer and don't forget occasionally water.
Hope it doesn't turn into to big of a nightmare.:(
I imagine you're gonna have to have it custom welded/sized from the supplier, yes? Have you spoke to anyone about a lead time for it?

[fund razor]

Time for the sweaty, grungy clothes... and lots of beer and don't forget occasionally water.
Yeah, that describes the removal of the entire freaking cockpit and the flooring. But I am pretty sure that I will have a buddy with a shop cut the tank out and I'll take it back over. I don't want to subject the neighbors to that much angle grinder action. It will be LOUD. I want them to still like me when the engines are in. ;) Plus... if I can get the cutting alone done while I work on something else.... even better.


Hope it doesn't turn into to big of a nightmare.:( Too late. Besides, they always do. But I like the sound of new engines, new tank on a 20 year old boat. New engines, old tank with crap in it that's leaking... not so much.


I imagine you're gonna have to have it custom welded/sized from the supplier, yes? Have you spoke to anyone about a lead time for it?
Yes. Custom. I have seen as little as one week. But I just got a lead from a friend with the hookup and they are in Ohio. The sooner I can get a size the better.

[Buoy]

I don't want to subject the neighbors to that much angle grinder action. It will be LOUD. I want them to still like me when the engines are in. ;)

Wow, you have neighbors that like you? I've never been so fortunate. I wonder if it's me:seeya:

[fund razor]

Wow, you have neighbors that like you? I've never been so fortunate. I wonder if it's me:seeya:

Yeah, apparently I am fine in person. :)

In all seriousness, the boat is two feet from the neighbor's property. I don't think that an angle grinder for two hours would be appropriate. Maybe during the workday. But I think that one of my neighbors may work nights. So...

[Ratickle]

Are you filling the tank with water before you grind on it????

[fund razor]

Are you filling the tank with water before you grind on it????
This from Bladder Man? :D
No. The oxygen is dangerous... using straight Hydrogen. ;)

I think that my buddy's shop will grind it, (emptied and watered) as I think that the noise in my residential hood would be a little much. I don't want them to start calling the city. They will ticket me for parking in my yard.

Then I will drag it back and continue.

[Ratickle]

This from Bladder Man? :D
No. The oxygen is dangerous... using straight Hydrogen. ;)

I think that my buddy's shop will grind it, (emptied and watered) as I think that the noise in my residential hood would be a little much. I don't want them to start calling the city. They will ticket me for parking in my yard.

Then I will drag it back and continue.

Bladders are cool....


Especially when they work (hold their liquids).....:)

[fund razor]

Bladders are cool....


Especially when they work (hold their liquids).....:)

Bladders are best when they work. Can't argue with that!!

[Geronimo36]

fund, I did something similar with my Panther some years ago (circa 98')...

The tank wasn't leaking but the top was bowed up and some of the baffles were dislodged.

It was a 150 gallon tank and I replaced it with something in the 130-140 range. My fabricator basically cut 4 inches off the rear of the new tank so we could get it back into place due to the bulkheads and having to drop the tank one end at a time. Luckilly I didn't have to make the tank more narrow.

also, I had my fabricator build the tank with a heavier gauge aluminum and also had it epoxy coated.

Frank

[GENERAL LEE]

We opted for the manual vs power only because it was one less thing to break. Not difficult at all to pull up. LIvorsi's has manual listed for $121, power $193. Here's what we have:

Where can I find the light you have? The lens on mine popped off, and into the water. :banghead:

Thanks!

[fund razor]

I could pm her Brandon and ask. I have her pm address. :)

[Davidmnc]

I could pm her Brandon and ask. I have her pm address. :)

Fundy, I think it's funny you are using my son as your avatar!

[fund razor]

Fundy, I think it's funny you are using my son as your avatar!

He seemed to sum up my current philosophy on life, and what it's like to be a friend of Serious Offshore boaters. :D

[fund razor]

Plus, his expression sums up what life has been like lately.

[Ratickle]

Plus, his expression sums up what life has been like lately.

I like it, but I really believe it is more like this. :sifone:

Sorry David, :(

[fund razor]

How many gallons is your stock tank? Mine has a label on it that says 120, so if you think you'll retain that much, maybe your original one has more capacity???

JCG

28.5 inches wide x 77.5 inches long x 15.25* inches deep.

*at the place I dipped the tank (2/3 way back at sending unit) it could be bowed downward due to weight of gas in tank. Let's use 15.

28.5 x 77.5 x 15 = 33,131.25

cubic foot = 1728 inches

33,131.25 by 1728 = 19.17317708 cubic feet

7.48051948 US Gal per cubic foot (at a given temp)

19.17317708 x 7.48051948 = 143.4253246 gallons

So, let's assume that the middle is bowed but the ends are not:

28.5 x 77.5 x 15.175 = 33,517.78125 by 1728 = 19.39686414 x 7.48051948 = 145.098562

Let's call it a 145 gallon tank. :)
More or less. :D

[Ratickle]

28.5 inches wide x 77.5 inches long x 15.25* inches deep.

*at the place I dipped the tank (2/3 way back at sending unit) it could be bowed downward due to weight of gas in tank. Let's use 15.

28.5 x 77.5 x 15 = 33,131.25

cubic foot = 1728 inches

33,131.25 by 1728 = 19.17317708 cubic feet

7.48051948 US Gal per cubic foot (at a given temp)

19.17317708 x 7.48051948 = 143.4253246 gallons

So, let's assume that the middle is bowed but the ends are not:

28.5 x 77.5 x 15.175 = 33,517.78125 by 1728 = 19.39686414 x 7.48051948 = 145.098562

Let's call it a 145 gallon tank. :)
More or less. :D

Are you just guessin??????:)

[fund razor]

Are you just guessin??????:)

More or less.

I need to get rid of some gas. I feel like OPEC.

I have 8 inches of gas. Which means: 28.5 x 77.5 x 8= 17,670 by 1728 = 10.22569444 x 7.48051948 = 76.49350645

I have 76.5 gallons (474.23 pounds) of fuel in the tank.

[fund razor]

Baffle panels could take up a little volume.

Let's call it 75.

And the hole for the tank cover will allow a 130-135 gallon tank.

[phragle]

More or less.

I need to get rid of some gas. I feel like OPEC.

I have 8 inches of gas. Which means: 28.5 x 77.5 x 8= 17,670 by 1728 = 10.22569444 x 7.48051948 = 76.49350645

I have 76.5 gallons (474.23 pounds) of fuel in the tank.

should I swingthe caddi by with a hose??? :sifone:

[GENERAL LEE]

I could pm her Brandon and ask. I have her pm address. :)

Go for it.

I wasn't sure if they used PM's, or would have any idea what post I was referring to, without the pic & thread for reference. Or, maybe someone else might know before they get a chance to see my question.


The Brave is looking great btw!

[fund razor]

should I swingthe caddi by with a hose??? :sifone:

Actually.... yes.

[fund razor]

Go for it.

I wasn't sure if they used PM's, or would have any idea what post I was referring to, without the pic & thread for reference. Or, maybe someone else might know before they get a chance to see my question.


The Brave is looking great btw!

I will call Barb a little later this morning and ask where they got their stern light. She will remember talking about it. She may not see these posts.

Thanks... but I am starting to wonder when it will ever be done. :(
(Well... you know.... as done as a boat gets.) :)

[WMF]

Are you sure the tank is leaking John??? sorry to hear! I had it checked when it was surveyed, no problems then? It seems like a never ending project!!

[fund razor]

Are you sure the tank is leaking John??? sorry to hear! I had it checked when it was surveyed, no problems then? It seems like a never ending project!!

I can't imagine where 4 ounces a day of gas is coming from, other than the tank. The survey said that it was visually inspected, was "sound as sighted" but they recommended having it pressure checked. The survey gave the capacity as "135 gallons as reported" which just means that's what the owner told him. I found it to be 145 when measured and converted to volume.

Having visually inspected the fittings on top of the tank, the lines, and the foam all around the tank, I would say that there has been a great deal of water intrusion from above, the foam has shrunk away from the stringers quite a bit. My guess is a leaking bottom where water sat or a cracked weld in a corner.

[fund razor]

It is what it is Bill. Am I thrilled? No. Is it a good thing to have a new tank to go with all new power? I think so. Restarts the clock on this boat.

I mean, a 20 year old tank... salt water use... Miami... if not now... soon.

[Ratickle]

Plus you'd never enjoy a trip until it is replaced.....

[fund razor]

Eggzachary. :)

[gofish7070]

This thread is what our OFF party is about please forward, as much photos and film you can on to seeroy as he is undertaking the monumental task of putting discs with a semblance of order, Great Post,,,,,,,,,,

[fund razor]

I love restoration threads. This one has a lot of chit chat in it, but in general... I like em.

[fund razor]

There wasn't 76 gallons in there and it ain't no 145. It was not as rectangle as it looked through the sending unit hole with gas in it. Now it has water in it. The gas is driving around in like 5 people's cars.

[Ratickle]

There wasn't 76 gallons in there and it ain't no 145. It was not as rectangle as it looked through the sending unit hole with gas in it. Now it has water in it. The gas is driving around in like 5 people's cars.

Knew you were guessin.......:rofl:

[Chris]

You're not truly a man until you've wrenched a fuel tank from the grasp of an old offshore hull.

One of you is going to lose. Actually, both of you will lose. One will just lose less. Look on it as a charachter-building experience. And relish in the fact that those that have not travelled this path truly haven't earned their stripes yet.

[phragle]

I'm going over after work tomorrow to help..shouldnt be to bad..I usually pretty good at taking things apart... putting them back together is a bit more challanging.... all I need is a lot of beer,a big hammer...........

[fund razor]

You're not truly a man until you've wrenched a fuel tank from the grasp of an old offshore hull.

One of you is going to lose. Actually, both of you will lose. One will just lose less. Look on it as a charachter-building experience. And relish in the fact that those that have not travelled this path truly haven't earned their stripes yet.
Today is the day. Two Tanks enter, one tank leaves.
Why is everything a character building experience?? :D

I wouldn't say that I am looking forward to it, but the neighbors are either on board, or out of town... so I am keeping my eyes on the stripes.

[fund razor]

I'm going over after work tomorrow to help..shouldnt be to bad..I usually pretty good at taking things apart... putting them back together is a bit more challanging.... all I need is a lot of beer,a big hammer...........

On a project like this, you need somebody to watch and say "Yep," "Ohh," "Uh-Oh," and "That's gonna leave a mark."

I will look for the big hammer tho.

[phragle]

Fundy...you did notice my current sig line.......:sifone:

[fund razor]

Fundy...you did notice my current sig line.......:sifone:

I forgot. But the fact that you are a medic is a bonus on a project like this. :D

[fund razor]

I was going to be "Angle Grinder Man" but there are no original ideas. :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGQMq3hNv-g

[Bobcat]

I was going to be "Angle Grinder Man" but there are no original ideas. :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGQMq3hNv-g

nice use of the safety goggles!:sifone:

[fund razor]

nice use of the safety goggles!:sifone:

forehead protection

[Ratickle]

Power snips baby....


Or can you borroe those extraction tools from your local fire department???



Saves them the trouble of hauling them over later to save your azz.......

[Bobcat]

I have three of those saws, if you only lived closer !

[fund razor]

I have three of those saws, if you only lived closer !

You have beer, too. :(

[phragle]

fill that puppy with water or hook a dryer hose to the exhaust something to blow all the air out of the tank..it's the fumes that go boom. exhaust works good because you eliminate the oxygen.

[fund razor]

I am going to remove the "brackish" water and put some fresh water in. All with vents open and fittings off.

[fund razor]

Gonna wet the foam that has gas in it.

[phragle]

did we see a rainbow this morning???

[fund razor]

did we see a rainbow this morning???

Nope. That paper towel had more gas. I am thinking that the water is pushing the gas through the foam. I ended up putting more water in last night.

[sellsman11]

Great thread.:USA:

[Perlmudder]

good stuff fundy!

[Ratickle]

Are you guys still among the healthy?????

[Buoy]

Are you guys still among the healthy?????

or should we quote Bill Murray ala Stripes "Bloooowwwwwwn up, Sir":sifone:

We need carnage pics.

[fund razor]

Ok. I diluted all day.... Phragle came over... we went through 4 Dewalt wheels and a half a dozen cheap Russian wheels. Dewalt wins. Rob helped out a bunch. We ended up with most of the top off, three baffles to contend with, and no more gas fumes.

This tank will be out before the weekend is over.

Actually... the Dewalt wheels work ok.

[fund razor]

I am tired tonight... but I promise carnage pics tomorrow. :)

[Chris]

You didn't think you could buy your way into the tribe, did you?

[fund razor]

You didn't think you could buy your way into the tribe, did you?

But you said that I could. :D ;)

Nah... tank could be out tomorrow..

[phragle]

no boom..life is good...harbor frieght cutoff wheels SUCK!!!!! I did get a bit worried when Fund's eyes started glazing over and he started mumbling something about tequila and power tools.....

[fund razor]

no boom..life is good...harbor frieght cutoff wheels SUCK!!!!! I did get a bit worried when Fund's eyes started glazing over and he started mumbling something about tequila and power tools.....

Tequila is perfect with power tools. Besides, I had you to unplug junk. :D

Need some tequila. :)

[Ratickle]

Tequila is perfect with power tools. Besides, I had you to unplug junk. :D

Need some tequila. :)

Maybe the "Glazed" look was the root cause issue? :confused:

[fund razor]

Maybe the "Glazed" look was the root cause issue? :confused:

If Phragle is the arbiter of Glazed Looks we are all in trouble. Besides.... he rode in the truck with me. I was fine. :D

[Buoy]

You didn't think you could buy your way into the tribe, did you?

Great quote.
I would wear that as a sig line if I was part of the "tribe".

I think the same can be said for the Pantera "familia"
You have to earn your headress, and your cat eyes.:)

Keep crackin at it John.

[fund razor]

Time to go buy better grinding wheels.

[fund razor]

Time to use the better grinding wheels.

[phragle]

So, in essence..what Fundy is telling us..is that performance boat ownership is a grind... after doing my transom..I would say I agree...if my resin bucket could be considered performance...

[fund razor]

So, in essence..what Fundy is telling us..is that performance boat ownership is a grind... after doing my transom..I would say I agree...if my resin bucket could be considered performance...

I want to buy my way into the tribe. :)

I am hoping that the carbide fallout in the neighborhood helps get everything sparkly clean. :blush5::leaving:

[fund razor]

I wish I could just call Angle Grinder Man and have him cut that dam tank out.

[phragle]

tequila and power tools...happy 4th of july!

[fund razor]

tequila and power tools...happy 4th of july!

Ok, the top is off. Dam they build these tanks well. I know why they call them "baffles" now. Because I am not completely sure how to get them out. Perhaps the Russian wheels can sacrifice themselves to the welds. At least I found some freaking corrosion at the rear bottom seam. I was starting to think that I was pulling this tank as a pratice drill. :blush5:

[phragle]

BIG hammer...swiing at baffle, it will deform, and welds will break...

[fund razor]

BIG hammer...swiing at baffle, it will deform, and welds will break...

I remember our chatting about that yesterday.... but I have a new idea. ;)

I am cutting out the center baffle but not the ends. I am cutting the width of the tank just inside each remaining baffle. (Cutting the center, largest section. I will then fold the center section inward and remove it. Then I will use the remaining baffles to assist in working the ends out of the corners. That will give me something to grab. It lets me makes less cuts and less complex cuts. I can always revert to cutting if something won't give. I got the entire remaining parts of the top off and cut the center baffle with two DeWalt wheels.

I am eating some Jimmy John's gourmet sandwhich and will return to the cutting momentarily. Umm. Roast Beef.

[fund razor]

btw.... I found some suspicious looking areas in the rear. Some corrosion and what looks like a hairline crack in a bottom weld.

[phragle]

Jimmy john rocks!! I turned Dave onto them even... just wish there sandwhiches were double the size....

[Ratickle]

May be a dumb idea, but if it is that bad to get out of the boat, caouldn't you just have a smaller one built that will fit inside it?

[fund razor]

May be a dumb idea, but if it is that bad to get out of the boat, caouldn't you just have a smaller one built that will fit inside it?

A) not in my opinion.

B) not and get the gas out from under it and the bad foam.

C) did we mention that this was an apache? :D

I could have cut the boat, but I decided to cut the tank. And yes, there was gas under it. Yes it was leaking. Frankly... if Bill had not had engine problems... I wonder if it would have come loose after a few hits and put him in danger. This was a ticking time bomb. I am glad that I noticed that little trail of unexplained gas in the bilge during painting. If liquid is where it should not be, and Moses is not standing there with a stick... it's a leak. ;)

[fund razor]

I am not sure if they should let people have boats around salt water. :D

[Ratickle]

If liquid is where it should not be, and Stecz is not standing there with a stick... it's a leak. ;)

I knew you liked him, but that was a rumor......:sifone:

[fund razor]

This appears to be a case of salt water intrusion into the foam, which allowed corrosion to continue in the abscence of air. The tank looked ok inside. On the foam side it is a wreck. Pitted, thin, crumbly.

[fund razor]

Ok, break time is over.

[phragle]

if your finding the foam side..there must be progress, and you must be feeling much better about your discision...

[fund razor]

if your finding the foam side..there must be progress, and you must be feeling much better about your discision...

It was the right thing to do. In fact.... guys with 80s offshore boats, especially in salt water should do their tanks whether they "need it" or not.... cause believe me... you probably need it.

[fund razor]

Phragle helped me get it to this point:

[fund razor]

The top looked ok, and the inside looked ok... so I was like.... wtf???

But.... here it was with the center baffle out.

[fund razor]

Then the top side section so I could gauge depth of cut

[fund razor]

Then I cut the center. Freaked me out when gas started coming from the cut like Jed Clampett.

[fund razor]

So I stopped and drilled a couple of holes before I cut the center the rest of the way.

[fund razor]

Then I lifted the center out and had confirmation of my fears.

[fund razor]

Center and foam out.

[Buoy]

You've got to be one tired and grungy sumbish about now...
Looks like quite a miserable job.

How much are you loving classic offshore boats at the moment?

[fund razor]

You've got to be one tired and grungy sumbish about now...
Looks like quite a miserable job.

How much are you loving classic offshore boats at the moment?

A shower is next. I have been tired for days.

But ya know what? I am grateful and happy that I found it, and can address it now. This problem was brewing... clearly Bill didn't know. But now several mysteries are solved. That little stream of gas coming from the center bilge, that terrible smell (foam with sea water, funk, gas and corrosion).

My Dad remarked: You must really love boating. I know several guys that had boats and as soon as they had a problem, they were out.

I said you know what Dad, it isn't enough to love boating.

You have to love your boat. If you do, it will reveal all to you, because you will watch, listen and feel... and you will fix it right... and you will always make it back to the dock.

No offense to anybody... but I would be pretty pizzed off if I was resetting the clock on a regular boat. But this boat? It is worth it. I mean... restoration isn't a little gel work. Restoration is new tank, all glasswork, all paint, new gauges, new control and throttle cables, service all pumps, new bilge pumps and new power. The stereo is an afterthought.... not the first thing you do. You do these boats from the inside out. It's the parts that you can't see that save your life. ;)

And it feels pretty good to save a classic offshore. :)

And should I sell it... the buyer will know that this was the real deal resto. More McManus than Scheib.
It's nice to have seen her "bones" also.

Still some work to do... the end sections aren't out yet and I think that there is more cutting in my future.
2009 all new power with good parts plus a new tank plus the overall condition says to me.... the one to have.

[fund razor]

Did I mention a lot of work left to do? Ok.

[Buoy]

Could not agree more.

I have to admit, I have never had an "oh chit, why did I get myself into this project" moment.
I have had plenty of, "crap, how'm I gonna pay for that" moments though.:confused:
Gotta love saving the classics. If your heart isn't in it, it will never be right.

Stereo? I'm in the process of patching holes where the stereo cutouts where in the cockpit liner. I'm debating on whether or not I'll even put one in when I'm done. That will probably turn into something that if the wife really wants it, I'll add something very modest.

[Buoy]

Did I mention a lot of work left to do? Ok.

I was thinking about it, and now that you are at the point you are, would it be possible to feed in a piece of piano wire to use as a saw to cut the foam from the remaining portions of the tank? Just a thought, might make life easier - and less grungy.

[fund razor]

I have learned alot with each boat that I have done projects on. I had a lot of catch up on big blocks. Still do. A few of our members here have been instrumental in helping me design and buy the builds. The sharing of hookups and knowledge has been invaluable. Especially on the part of Chris and Patriyacht. Our member base here is freaking knowledgeable as could be. I am grateful for it.

[fund razor]

I was thinking about it, and now that you are at the point you are, would it be possible to feed in a piece of piano wire to use as a saw to cut the foam from the remaining portions of the tank? Just a thought, might make life easier - and less grungy.

I have been thinking of ways to loosen that foam back in the corners cause you can't really get a powerwasher into it to cut it with that. That is kind of what I have been thinking. I also thought of a hacksaw blade and then hit the baffle with a sledge. I do my best engineering laying in bed at night.
We'll see what tonight brings. But it's nice to have the relief of knowing that there was a serious problem and committing to a tank was the right call.

[fund razor]

Maybe it will be lighter.

[Buoy]

I do my best engineering laying in bed at night.

I'm not going anywhere near this statement.:ack2:
I'll let someone more twisted have their fun.:sifone:

[Bobcat]

when I got the tank out of the wellcraft I was feeling very good right up until the point when we tossed it out of the boat and it split my 100' heavy duty power cord in half , I did not learn anything from this experience, but new tanks are pretty:)

[Ratickle]

I'm not going anywhere near this statement.:ack2:
I'll let someone more twisted have their fun.:sifone:

Yep, I understand. Sometimes the setups make it just to easy .......:sifone:

[Buoy]

Fund, I've been thinking further, and it looked (from the pictures) that your tank was in direct contact with the hull - is this correct?
Definitely make sure you have some space to allow for bilge slosh on the new tank. Just an opinion, and I'm by NO means an expert, just something that seems logical.
As long as you've come this far...
Maybe lay in a 1/2 spacer to set the tank a little higher, and allow water to escape from under it - and the underside of the tank to dry out.
If you want/need, you can send me dimensions of what you want for the the new tank, and I can Autcad them for you for your fab guy and send you a file.
Might work better than scribblings on a McNasty's napkin:willy_nilly:

[Buoy]

Yep, I understand. Sometimes the setups make it just to easy .......:sifone:

Sometimes it's not even fun when its that easy.
I used to say that when I was in my early 20's too.
But, back then, I rarely refrained...

[Airpacker]

Dude, and I though my day sucked yesterday. Al I did was spend 12 hrs with a power buffer in my hands.

On a lighter note, if my cat even needs new tanks, it means removing the deck. You are getting off easy :)

[MarylandMark]

Our member base here is freaking knowledgeable as could be. I am grateful for it.

TY... :sifone:

[Ratickle]

Fund, I've been thinking further, and it looked (from the pictures) that your tank was in direct contact with the hull - is this correct?
Definitely make sure you have some space to allow for bilge slosh on the new tank. Just an opinion, and I'm by NO means an expert, just something that seems logical.
As long as you've come this far...
Maybe lay in a 1/2 spacer to set the tank a little higher, and allow water to escape from under it - and the underside of the tank to dry out.
If you want/need, you can send me dimensions of what you want for the the new tank, and I can Autcad them for you for your fab guy and send you a file.
Might work better than scribblings on a McNasty's napkin:willy_nilly:

Good point. We have several boat builders on the board. PM them and see what they think. Also, Artie (OffshoreGinger), replaces tanks in Skaters etc. for a living. He should know.

Now I'm curious, we have Joe and Pepe, Charlie, Bobby, etc. What would they do?????

[phragle]

Our member base here is freaking knowledgeable as could be. I am grateful for it.


And then there's me...the ulitmate know nothing, ridemooching drunken jackass :sifone:

[Ratickle]

And then there's me...the ulitmate know nothing, ridemooching drunken jackass :sifone:

Yeah, but every group needs one of those. And, as they go, you're one of the best I've ever seen.....:sifone: So we're proud to have you...:)

[fund razor]

And then there's me...the ulitmate know nothing, ridemooching drunken jackass :sifone:

Well, you know about sailboats. :D

Just kidding, Phragle has been around boats all his life. Even better, crappy... half broken boats. So he is very knowledgeable. :biggrinjester:

[Ratickle]

So he is very knowledgeable. :biggrinjester:

Shhhhh......


Don't encourage him......

[fund razor]

Fund, I've been thinking further, and it looked (from the pictures) that your tank was in direct contact with the hull - is this correct?
Definitely make sure you have some space to allow for bilge slosh on the new tank. Just an opinion, and I'm by NO means an expert, just something that seems logical.
As long as you've come this far...
Maybe lay in a 1/2 spacer to set the tank a little higher, and allow water to escape from under it - and the underside of the tank to dry out.
If you want/need, you can send me dimensions of what you want for the the new tank, and I can Autcad them for you for your fab guy and send you a file.
Might work better than scribblings on a McNasty's napkin:willy_nilly:

The tank was in direct contact with the foam, which was about 5/8" think on average. There was foam under it, and a pair of PVC tubes that run down the centerline above the keel. There was some room for bilge slosh under it, but not much. If you look at the pic of the empty space again, you will see the foam still encasing the pvc tube, the grey color is the tank paint stuck to the foam. The water is on either side of the tubes, in the bottom of the space. I won't be able to see how the drain transitions from bulkhead to bulkhead until the tank ends are out, but I was thinking about doing something to insure that it drains better. Instinct tells me that the drain tubes are a little higher than they could be, and it allows a portion to be trapped.

[fund razor]

Oh, and heck yeah I will take you up on the cad drawing.

The tank bottom is a trapezoid.

[fund razor]

Yeah, but every group needs one of those. And, as they go, you're one of the best I've ever seen.....:sifone: So we're proud to have you...:)

He really falls short in the jackass department. He could be a much bigger jackass if he wasn't nice.

[fund razor]

I will do some measuring and get you a set of dimensions and a basic drawing Bouy, thanks!!

[Buoy]

I will do some measuring and get you a set of dimensions and a basic drawing Bouy, thanks!!

No problem. I gots the time on my hands.

[Ratickle]

He really falls short in the jackass department. He could be a much bigger jackass if he wasn't nice.

Hopefully he'll work on that.

Who would you recommend for the trainer/coach?

[GENERAL LEE]

Well damn Fund! I didn't realize you were still struggling with the fuel tank when I replied to your PM saying that I hope you are enjoying the boat....:leaving:

You will definitely know every inch of that bad boy when you're finished, plus have a SERIOUS sense of acheivment. Keep at it, it's all worth it in the end when you make your first run out there. :cheers2:

[Geronimo36]

Our member base here is freaking knowledgeable as could be. I am grateful for it.

This is true and what's even better is the member base are actually willing to help and guide others!!!! :driving:

It's unfortunate when at some "other" places where folks would rather just do things wrong, pay or not even listen to valuable advice! :USA:

[fund razor]

Well damn Fund! I didn't realize you were still struggling with the fuel tank when I replied to your PM saying that I hope you are enjoying the boat....:leaving:

You will definitely know every inch of that bad boy when you're finished, plus have a SERIOUS sense of acheivment. Keep at it, it's all worth it in the end when you make your first run out there. :cheers2:

No problem. The tank leak was a recent discovery. Plus... this is a long thread with the chit chat. :D But I appreciate all the feedback and the advice on here. Not that I don't have an idea of what I want... but the benefit of others' experience is great. That tank was bad. But, come on.... where does gas come from? It had to be bad.

[fund razor]

Inside:

[fund razor]

Outside:

[fund razor]

Pile O'Tank:

[fund razor]

You're not truly a man until you've wrenched a fuel tank from the grasp of an old offshore hull.

One of you is going to lose. Actually, both of you will lose. One will just lose less. Look on it as a charachter-building experience. And relish in the fact that those that have not travelled this path truly haven't earned their stripes yet.

I am sore.

On the other hand, that tank lost.

It is my offshore mitzvah. I am truly a man. :D

[Ratickle]

I am sore.

On the other hand, that tank lost.

It is my offshore mitzvah. I am truly a man. :D

I'm taking your word for the circumcision. Bout time......:sifone:

[JJ Apache]

He was sore when he had to pump the gas out. That was 4 days ago....Do it right or do it right. Your choice......:D:cheers2:

[phragle]

I hereby declare July 6th Fundy Day, from here on out every July 6th it is our duty as fellow powerboaters to get tanked in his honor. be it beer, rum or whiskey our mission is clear.

Carry on.

[fund razor]

I hereby declare July 6th Fundy Day, from here on out every July 6th it is our duty as fellow powerboaters to get tanked in his honor. be it beer, rum or whiskey our mission is clear.

Carry on.

Sounds like any other day to me. :)

[Ms PatriYacht]

Hi John, this is Ian, I know a place that pays .20 a pound for scrap aluminum if that makes you feel any better. Thanks for the Alpha impellor advice.

[Ratickle]

Hi John, this is Ian, I know a place that pays .20 a pound for scrap aluminum if that makes you feel any better. Thanks for the Alpha impellor advice.

Ian, coming out of the closet Ms Patriyacht???????

I thought you were Patriyacht........:26:

[fund razor]

Sometimes I wonder if we have allowed the hijacking to get away from us.

[Ratickle]

Sometimes I wonder if we have allowed the hijacking to get away from us.

Not a chance...

It does bring up a very interesting point though. Someday, taking your restoration as an example, you should be able to eliminate all chatter from the thread and save it as an instructional thread for prosperity.

[fund razor]

Wow. These tank fabricators all have the same central website or what? :D

I requested three quotes online and have gotten two back already.

One is 1180.00 including shipping

One is 1185.00 plus shipping, but done in 5 days.

If the third is 1182.50 I will know that something is fishy. :)

[fund razor]

Now.... where do I get the foam?

Boston Whaler.com?

[Geronimo36]

Has the price of Aluminum gone up that much??? then again, that was 10 years ago so I guess it's been a long time. My last one was $850 which included Epoxy coat and 1/2" fittings with 4 baffles.

Don't tell the CG you're foaming it in, they don't allow it anymore... But I wouldn't do it any other way cause crap moves around way too much even if it's bolted in there really good.

Evercoat makes the two part foam called foam-it.... Use is sparingly... dump some in and let it rise before you start dumping more.. Otherwise you're tank will pop out.... Don't laugh, it really does!! We had a guy at the marina who got a little over zealous with the foam and when we got back from lunch the tank was 6 inches out of the hole! lol

Don't put anything rigid under the tank to raise it up. Have the tank company weld 4 tangs on the top of the tank that you can raise it up and put a screw in the stringers.

[fund razor]

Has the price of Aluminum gone up that much??? then again, that was 10 years ago so I guess it's been a long time. My last one was $850 which included Epoxy coat and 1/2" fittings with 4 baffles.

Don't tell the CG you're foaming it in, they don't allow it anymore... But I wouldn't do it any other way cause crap moves around way too much even if it's bolted in there really good.

Evercoat makes the two part foam called foam-it.... Use is sparingly... dump some in and let it rise before you start dumping more.. Otherwise you're tank will pop out.... Don't laugh, it really does!! We had a guy at the marina who got a little over zealous with the foam and when we got back from lunch the tank was 6 inches out of the hole! lol

Don't put anything rigid under the tank to raise it up. Have the tank company weld 4 tangs on the top of the tank that you can raise it up and put a screw in the stringers.

Yes. Tangs. Had four. Through bolts in stringers. I am having it made slightly shorter in length, but same width and depth, and will use the same bolt holes for the tangs.

[Ratickle]

Now let me get this straight. The entire weight of the tank is supported by side bolting tangs through the stringers???

What am I missing here???

[fund razor]

Now let me get this straight. The entire weight of the tank is supported by side bolting tangs through the stringers???

What am I missing here???

I dunno? The foam? :)

[phragle]

tang...the astronauts used to drink that stuff...... I remember when the tv ad for the orange stuff was black and white.

[fund razor]

It hangs from the tangs but it sits on the foam, and there is about and inch of foam all the way around it. Below the foam that is under the tank are a couple of pvc tubes. They carry the forward bilge water back under the tank cell.

[Bobcat]

"It hangs from the tangs but it sits on the foam"

woulde make an awesome sig line.

or an answer to a hipster
"hows it hangin?"

"from the tangs bro":sifone:

[Buoy]

"It hangs from the tangs but it sits on the foam"

woulde make an awesome sig line.

or an answer to a hipster
"hows it hangin?"

"from the tangs bro":sifone:

Thanks bud!
I have to be in a good mood to laugh, and you got me a couple times today.

[Geronimo36]

Now let me get this straight. The entire weight of the tank is supported by side bolting tangs through the stringers???

What am I missing here???

The foam holds it in place once it's dry. The tangs/bolts are kinda useless once the foam cures.

I once lifted a whole boat off the cradle with a forklift trying to dislodge a tank for replacement! :26:

On my Scarab we were doing some other glass work so we removed the forward bulkhead. I removed as much foam from the sides then hammered a wedge in under the tank with a huge sledge hammer plus lifting with a forklift and it finally came loose.

[Ratickle]

Okay, gotchya. I was thinking (or not) when it said don't put anything rigid under the tank it also meant rigid foam....:dupe:

[Geronimo36]

Yes. Tangs. Had four. Through bolts in stringers. I am having it made slightly shorter in length, but same width and depth, and will use the same bolt holes for the tangs.

cool, that's exactly how I did my last one! :)

[Geronimo36]

Okay, gotchya. I was thinking (or not) when it said don't put anything rigid under the tank it also meant rigid foam....:dupe:

Only foam and nothing solid that could have the potential to wear itself thru the bottom of the tank over time. :driving:

[fund razor]

The foam holds it in place once it's dry. The tangs/bolts are kinda useless once the foam cures.

I once lifted a whole boat off the cradle with a forklift trying to dislodge a tank for replacement! :26:

On my Scarab we were doing some other glass work so we removed the forward bulkhead. I removed as much foam from the sides then hammered a wedge in under the tank with a huge sledge hammer plus lifting with a forklift and it finally came loose.

I tried to avoid that little issue. :D

[Bobcat]

I was lucky that the boat was on a rack, I used a come-a-long strapped to the rack above and popped it right out.

[BradB]

Now.... where do I get the foam?

Boston Whaler.com?

http://www.uscomposites.com/foam.html

Here ya go I buy a lot of stuff from them in small qtys. there prices are great. but shipping on some stuff is expensive. I also stock alot of fabrics and resin. I just buy in bulk.

Brad

[fund razor]

http://www.uscomposites.com/foam.html

Here ya go I buy a lot of stuff from them in small qtys. there prices are great. but shipping on some stuff is expensive. I also stock alot of fabrics and resin. I just buy in bulk.

Brad

Thanks.

[Geronimo36]

I tried to avoid that little issue. :D

220 - 221, whatever it takes! :)

[Not Right]

I've used a 2 part expandable foam from a company called foampower, it was like $300 for the kit, you'll have plenty left over.

this is from their site:
Slow Rise is a multi-purpose pour-in-place Two-Component polyurethane foam. Unlike the standard foam, Slow Rise Formula is designed to rise and fill at a less aggressive rate. This quality makes Slow Rise ideal for filling and insulating large enclosed spaces and blind cavities. Handi-Flow SR has a density of 2.0 lbs per cubic foot and an R-value of 6-7 per inch. Foam yield is best when the foam container contents are properly warmed to a range of 75F-85F and foam can be sanded, trimmed and painted after curing. In addition to providing superior insulation qualities Handi- Flow will inhibit the development of mold and mildew due to it’s closed cell construction. Handi- Flow also is very effective at soundproofing. Any filled cavity will absorb and deaden sound, providing for a quieter less stressful environment. Handi- Flow SR can also be used in applications requiring flotation foam as it meets the U.S.Coast Guard Spec. for flotation in Title 33 Code of Federal Regulations Paragraph 183.114. Every Handi-Flow SR kit comes with 8 Disposable Cone Spray Nozzles specifically for use with Slow Rise Foam.

[phragle]

Hey Fundy...did you know theres camera on heatherdowns that mail you speeding tickets???? I didn't, but I do now...... :ack2:

[LotoSteve]

The cutout in the stringer is clearance for the power stearing pump/impeller. My 28 was the same way.

Props to you fund for all the work your doing. Your going to love the way a 28 handles.

[fund razor]

The cutout in the stringer IS clearance for the altenator. My 28 was the same way.

Props to you fund for all the work your doing. Your going to love the way a 28 handles.

Thanks man. I have to admit that it is hard to be out on a beautiful day in July working on the boat instead of running it. But I keep thinking.... short term pain, long term gain.

[LotoSteve]

See my previous post. After thinking about it it was the power stearing pump and only the starboard side.

[fund razor]

See my previous post. After thinking about it it was the power stearing pump and only the starboard side.

That's ok. As long as I will still love the ride, it's cool. :D

[Tony]

Thanks man. I have to admit that it is hard to be out on a beautiful day in July working on the boat instead of running it. But I keep thinking.... short term pain, long term gain.

Last year I watched all summer go by while wrenching, this year Ive watched half of summer go by and still watching.....it starts to eat at you after a while but suck it up and dont rush anything, you will pay dearly for it in the long run.

[fund razor]

Last year I watched all summer go by while wrenching, this year Ive watched half of summer go by and still watching.....it starts to eat at you after a while but suck it up and dont rush anything, you will pay dearly for it in the long run.

Agreed. I think (and you will probably agree) that it doesn't svck as much as it could, because I know that the boat is worth the effort.

Seeing that unbelievable 79 cig confirmed it. We are "building" what can't be bought. Not that mine will ever be in Brian's league.

[Airpacker]

Last year I watched all summer go by while wrenching, this year Ive watched half of summer go by and still watching.....it starts to eat at you after a while but suck it up and dont rush anything, you will pay dearly for it in the long run.

Believe me fellas, I feel your pain and I started with a 2001 boat.

Summer of 07, gut boat from dash back. Measure, list, order, fiberglass, resin, paint, sweat, curse, swear, sweat more.
Summer of 08, replace and and or rerig everything mechanical and electrical behind the scenes. Fabricate and paint or powdercoat over 100 pieces to customize engine bay. Polish 0ver 1000 SS screw heads, nuts, washers,and bolts.
Summer of NOW, half way thru July and still finishing up new motor and suipporting hardware, drive, hatch, carpet etc etc. and maybe, if the water gods are willing I will get to the lake by this weekend to find out what I missed,still need to do, went wrong etc.

I would hate to know what I've spent and how many hours of sweat equity I have accumulated in this little project to date.

HOPEFULLY, Summer 10 I can just go boating again and stop being Alec's sexy boat Biotch :)

[Tony]

I would hate to know what I've spent and how many hours of sweat equity I have accumulated in this little project to date.

HOPEFULLY, Summer 10 I can just go boating again and stop being Alec's sexy boat Biotch :)


No doubt, where it really started eating at me was looking back at the overall picture. I went boating every single weekend from May thru Oct. from 2001 to 2005. Ran the boat twice in 06 and grenaded a motor, at the time I was house poor so I stuffed the boat in the barn and forgot about it. We ran Donzi's Checkmate a handfull of times for the rest of that summer. 07 was nothing but a nightmare with the Checkmate, it was in the shop more than it was on the water, we may have went boating a handfull of times that were all plagued by mechanical failures and finally sold it. I started gutting the Cig January of 08, towards the end of last summer I realized there was no end in sight for the Cig and that my number of boating excursions over the past 3 years were in the single digits. I got pi$$ed off and bought a Whaler becase I wanted to be on the water NOW. The Whaler turned into a complete re rig project and got used twice last summer. Im ready for this chit to be over like a bad dream and hopefully starting next year I can enjoy two turnkey boats all summer.


.....a guy can dream right..:D

[fund razor]

No doubt, where it really started eating at me was looking back at the overall picture. I went boating every single weekend from May thru Oct. from 2001 to 2005. Ran the boat twice in 06 and grenaded a motor, at the time I was house poor so I stuffed the boat in the barn and forgot about it. We ran Donzi's Checkmate a handfull of times for the rest of that summer. 07 was nothing but a nightmare with the Checkmate, it was in the shop more than it was on the water, we may have went boating a handfull of times that were all plagued by mechanical failures and finally sold it. I started gutting the Cig January of 08, towards the end of last summer I realized there was no end in sight for the Cig and that my number of boating excursions over the past 3 years were in the single digits. I got pi$$ed off and bought a Whaler becase I wanted to be on the water NOW. The Whaler turned into a complete re rig project and got used twice last summer. Im ready for this chit to be over like a bad dream and hopefully starting next year I can enjoy two turnkey boats all summer.


.....a guy can dream right..:D

Um..... can I borrow the Whaler? :o

[ChiefApache]

Um..... can I borrow the Whaler? :o

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

We bought a dinghy and we love it! I'd love to own a small CC to use locally, using the Apache on our weekends in the islands and for day runs, not for runabout stuff we do now.

[Geronimo36]

I hear ya Chief.... I have access to the in-laws Bayliner and we take that out every now and then... Last week we took a run to Staten Island NY with the Apache in some 20 mph winds and 3-4' seas. Come Sunday morning the boat was already out of the water and I didn't feel like putting it back in, going for a short run and cleaning/flushing etc. so we went fishing on the Bayliner. It was good to be on the water even though it was in a different form.

Last night I was missing the water again so we took the baby down to the park in the municipal marina, played with her on the swings then walked the docks for about an hour....just so we could be near the water again.

There's something about the salt air, I long for it!! :)

[fund razor]

I just heard over on OSO that my tank was good, and that I took a sawzall to a perfectly good tank.

I had to check the pic again.

[fund razor]

Whew. I was worried there for a minute. :)

[ChiefApache]

I hear ya Chief.... I have access to the in-laws Bayliner and we take that out every now and then... Last week we took a run to Staten Island NY with the Apache in some 20 mph winds and 3-4' seas. Come Sunday morning the boat was already out of the water and I didn't feel like putting it back in, going for a short run and cleaning/flushing etc. so we went fishing on the Bayliner. It was good to be on the water even though it was in a different form.

Last night I was missing the water again so we took the baby down to the park in the municipal marina, played with her on the swings then walked the docks for about an hour....just so we could be near the water again.

There's something about the salt air, I long for it!! :)

You guys have waaaaaaaaaaaay more maintenance than we do. I can just put ours back on the lift and decide if I want to rinse or not rinse the boat off. :reddevil: It would be tough to have to clean/rinse the boat everytime you took it out.

With that being said, Rob just asked me this past weekend if I would be interested in taking the boat to the coast so we could run it in the ocean. I would like to do that, but then someone would have to be there afterwards to show us the proper procedcure to cleaning/rinsing.

We had dinner on the pier last night, just so we could be near the water because I didn't want to take the boat out last night.

<<<<sorry for the hijack fundy>>>>>

[ChiefApache]

I just heard over on OSO that my tank was good, and that I took a sawzall to a perfectly good tank.

I had to check the pic again.


Whew. I was worried there for a minute. :)

I'm not sure what stupid lure makes me go to OSO and look at threads every now and then, but I did happen to lurk yesterday and read your thread.

WTF do they know? Jackasses. :cuss:

[Ratickle]

I'm not sure what stupid lure makes me go to OSO and look at threads every now and then, but I did happen to lurk yesterday and read your thread.

WTF do they know? Jackasses. :cuss:

But you gotta like the entertainment from jackazzs sometimes. Or you wouldn't go visit.......:sifone:


Maybe we should have brought a few with us????

[ChiefApache]

Clearly the tank needed replacing. I just don't get why some of them have to continue to pick, pick, pick.

[FULL FORCE]

Clearly the tank needed replacing. I just don't get why some of them have to continue to pick, pick, pick.

Pick.....pick....pick.....:sifone:

[fund razor]

Pic pic pic.

:D

[FULL FORCE]

Pic pic pic.

:D

Thats funny! I forgot about that!!

[Birdog]

I'm not sure what stupid lure makes me go to OSO and look at threads every now and then, but I did happen to lurk yesterday and read your thread.

WTF do they know? Jackasses. :cuss:

It's like a train wreck...You dont wanta look...You just gotta !1:sifone:

Keep after it Fund...You will beat Bony tony for sure......:26:

[fund razor]

I don't want to beat Tony. I want him to get finished and then loan me the Whaler for a few weeks so I can have a "season." :)

[phragle]

Hey Fundy..I am at work already... got off at 11 last nite, back at 6 this morning untill 11:30 tonite... dont have to be at work untill 11 tomorrow morning. you gonna be up and around so I can have a look at what we are trying to fix?

[fund razor]

Hey Fundy..I am at work already... got off at 11 last nite, back at 6 this morning untill 11:30 tonite... dont have to be at work untill 11 tomorrow morning. you gonna be up and around so I can have a look at what we are trying to fix?

Hi Rob, Yep. I will be up. Maybe by tomorrow morning I will have the rest of the bad stuff out. I picked up some cool wheels for my dremel. I need to find some resin.

[insanity]

The corrosion thing is interesting. When I pulled my tank out, it was dirty from the tank compartment not being sealed from the bilge and water sloshing underneath it but after I washed it off it looked practically new and its over 20 years old. Only issue was two of the mounts were broken at the welds from the hull twisting (rotten stringers). I plan on foaming it back in when I finally get it back together, is there a coating or an epoxy paint necessary to go over the bare aluminum to keep it from corroding from the outside when the tanks are foamed in place?

[fund razor]

The corrosion thing is interesting. When I pulled my tank out, it was dirty from the tank compartment not being sealed from the bilge and water sloshing underneath it but after I washed it off it looked practically new and its over 20 years old. Only issue was two of the mounts were broken at the welds from the hull twisting (rotten stringers). I plan on foaming it back in when I finally get it back together, is there a coating or an epoxy paint necessary to go over the bare aluminum to keep it from corroding from the outside when the tanks are foamed in place?

The tank builders do an epoxy paint. They say that the corrosion only occurs with water and an abscence of air. So maybe there was enough air in with the bilge water slosh to prevent the hard core corrosion that I got. Plus... your's was probably freshwater... where mine had been salt. The best way to keep the tank from corroding (from what I have learned lately) is either A) make sure than any water is accompanied by air, or B) make sure that no water gets between the tank and the foam. I guess that when there is air present.... aluminum will not corrode with water.

[Bobcat]

Fund, while I was out looking at ugly paint jobs I stumbled upon your new cabin door,:sifone:

[Buoy]

Bob, I'm pretty sure I saw that boat at the Cumberland run a few years ago.

[phragle]

Fund, while I was out looking at ugly paint jobs I stumbled upon your new cabin door,:sifone:

you gotta love that rich corrinthian naugahyde on those bolsters too... a lot of nauga's sacraficed there little lives to build those...

[Bobcat]

I'll post the entire boat in the paint gone wrong thread in a day or so.:sifone:

[WMF]

I'll post the entire boat in the paint gone wrong thread in a day or so.:sifone:

I think That the Gunsmoke Apache 28 looks great!! The owner spent a ton of money on it and it has big power!! What is wrong with it???

[Chris]

To each his own.

To me the boat looked like a customization exercise, not an offshore boat.

[Tony]

Thats the boat Buoy and I were talking about originally in the paint gone wrong thread. Pretty sure its a knock off hull. Ive seen it up close on the trailer and seen it run. Not impressed at all. It would do well on the car show circut.;) but like Chris said to each his own.

[Birdog]

Thats the boat Buoy and I were talking about originally in the paint gone wrong thread. Pretty sure its a knock off hull. Ive seen it up close on the trailer and seen it run. Not impressed at all. It would do well on the car show circut.;) but like Chris said to each his own.

Comanche......Not my taste at all

[Bobcat]

it is for sale on yacht world (sorry Fund!!!!!!)

[insanity]

Despite how completely tacky that 'Gunsmoke' boat is, the artistry and attention to detail (at least from the pics) looks to be pretty high. Even the bolster mounts have the faux wood paint. I can't even imagine how many man hours went into all of that paintwork. But...in the end...:ack2:

[Geronimo36]

Thats the boat Buoy and I were talking about originally in the paint gone wrong thread. Pretty sure its a knock off hull. Ive seen it up close on the trailer and seen it run. Not impressed at all. It would do well on the car show circut.;) but like Chris said to each his own.


Comanche......Not my taste at all

McManus splashed a 28'?:lurk5:

[JJ Apache]

Thats funny! I forgot about that!!

Lol... you were pretty happy when fund snapped the picture. And your dressed in the same color scheme.....

[Geronimo36]

McManus splashed a 28'?:lurk5:

I did a little research, it's a Cherokee.. I think Cherokee was produced by Eric Froberg, Bobby's old partner.

[JJ Apache]

So the tank was cut and put to the curb...2 diffrent scrappers got pieces.. just cuz I wanted to know, I called my client that works for Omni-Source, and asked what the price of alluminum was? 27 cents per lb, and it would have to be cut in 2....


I read Ratickle was gonna pm me...lol! It looks great and the funky smell is gone. The boat is happy, and will be turn - key ready once agaian. An ounch of prevention on Lake Erie is worth $15,000 in the bank..
Oh, yeah. All of funds boats have made it back to the dock......:sifone::sifone:

[fund razor]

She just jinxed me. :(

[Birdog]

I did a little research, it's a Cherokee.. I think Cherokee was produced by Eric Froberg, Bobby's old partner.

My bad !...I knew it was some injun name....:)

[cabana1]

I did a little research, it's a Cherokee.. I think Cherokee was produced by Eric Froberg, Bobby's old partner.


That would be correct. The boat was painted by Jash shawl in Cincinnati, not really my taste, but very cool in its oen sense. The attention to detail on this is incredible. I would still own it proudly, Knock off or not, ugly paint or not. Like my dad always told me; There is an a** for every seat.

[Tony]

will be turn - key ready once agaian. sifone::sifone:



Those words have absolutly no place in the sport of offshore boating.

[erierunnin]

Those words have absolutly no place in the sport of offshore boating.

well...could be true....but depends on how LONG it's turn key in offshore boating...

[phragle]

the only thing turn-key on an offshore boat is the igniton switch, whether or not anything happens when you turn the key is an entirely different matter.

[Tony]

the only thing turn-key on an offshore boat is the igniton switch, whether or not anything happens when you turn the key is an entirely different matter.

Keys dont turn, they flip. :biggrinjester:

[Buoy]

keys dont turn, they flip. :biggrinjester:

sweet!

[Dude! Sweet!]

She just jinxed me. :(

She didn't say how they made it back to the dock! :sifone:

[DonziGirl]

I think I've seen that boat on the Ohio river before. Maybe a couple of years ago

[JJ Apache]

She didn't say how they made it back to the dock! :sifone:

Thats too funny! In Jann's world, I wanted to start a tow co. on this end of the lake.:biggrinjester: 56 Nordhaven.. :sifone:
We have 5 guys and 1 woman who can captain a tug....3 20 yr olds who wanna too.. :driving:

* Jinx was the name of my cat......:reddevil:

[fund razor]

Meanwhile... the bad wood (of course there was bad wood behind the bad tank.) Came out.
The new tank was manufactured by Atlantic Coast Welding. The "shrunken" size ended up being 126. It appears to be exactly as ordered. The tank is now here.

All last weekend I made up time by finishing the demo. Once the demo was done, I used cardboard to create blanks to fill in the spaces that I removed plywood. The blanks extended from the center stringer to the next stringers over, in the case of the tank cell, it was 31 inches wide. So each blank is about 15 by 18 and covers the entire area from hull bottom to above the top of the tank. The fuel line holes were an ultimate stopping point, as moisture did not collect above them. I went beyond those holes for the repair. The repair was made using 23/32 inch plywood. First the backing fiberglass panel (existing) was coated with resin. The plywood blank was also coated with resin, then a layer of chop strand fiberglass, which was thoroughly wetted with resin, then a second layer of chop strand was laid on that. Then thoroughly wetted. I pre-drilled bolt holes all the way through the existing fiberglass panel, and the blank. Once the blank was covered with two layers of chop strand, the blanks were fitted into place and clamped down using through-bolts. The following day, the through bolts were removed, leaving a solid mass. Next step is to cover the entire repair area with a layer of biaxial glass matt. Original was a thick layer of matt backed by 3/4 inch plywood. Now it is a thick layer of matt backed by two layers of chop strand, new 23/32 plywood, and a layer of matt to cap the tank side. This is considerably more stout than original.

The opposite end of the tank (forward) cell was covered with a 1/4 inch sheet backed by a single layer of chop strand (behind it). I may cover that (tank side) with a layer of biaxial mat too. (It had simply been 1/4 inch plywood, unglassed.

Today should be matt day. This weekend should be tank install.

Engines should be dressed this week.

[fund razor]

bad spot, new tank, repaired area.

[Ratickle]

You better have got something done since you didn't show up to watch me get humiliated......:boxing_smiley:

[ChiefApache]

You did a great job on the repair John!

[RichL]

Lookin' good. Hope this is the last of your surprises.

[Wrinkleface]

Lookin' good. Hope this is the last of your surprises.

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

[fund razor]

Didn't get nearly what I had hoped done today, but here is the back end of the same tank cell with the glass matt cut out and mocked up. The tabs should end up about 2 inches wide. This area never was glassed, except for a ring around the sides and a strip backing the center engine stringer. That stringer escaped serious damage. A little junk at the end. Dried out with Acetone and saturated with git rot. It will now have a real cap and be mechanically fastened to the next nearest stringers, which are 31 inches apart.

[fund razor]

That pic is the same area that was rotten wood in an above post. It has new 23/32 behind it, which is bonded to the existing glass that was between the bad wood and the engine compartment. It is bonded using two layers of chop strand mat all resined in and bolted. This new mat covers that, and will be the aftmost backer for the tank.

[Wrinkleface]

That pic is the same area that was rotten wood in an above post. It has new 23/32 behind it, which is bonded to the existing glass that was between the bad wood and the engine compartment. It is bonded using two layers of chop strand mat all resined in and bolted. This new mat covers that, and will be the aftmost backer for the tank.

noth'n like make'n it better than it was!!!!;)

[fund razor]

noth'n like make'n it better than it was!!!!;)
Now's my chance. I had an extra baffle put in the tank, moved the sending unit back to where you could reach it through an access hatch for the supply valves. I had the return line fittings moved to the forward end, so that should I ever go bigger with power the returns can dump into the opposite end from the pickups. Chris reminded me to add the returns back in, I can't take credit for that part. I might have left them out.

I am digging that the tank build date and the engine finish dates are about the same. It is more of a complete resto than an emergency fix. They go together. What better for new power than a new tank and known gas?
.

[cosmic12]

Good job man keep it up

[Geronimo36]

gettin er done!

[fund razor]

I love the smell of resin in the afternoon.... it smells like victory over fountains. :D

[Buoy]

Nice work John!
Lookin' good.

[ChiefApache]

I love the smell of resin in the afternoon.... it smells like victory over fountains. :D

Everytime I smell resin it takes me back to when we did major work on the Stinger.......and I start twitching.

Good job John! I'm sure it's been a PITA project, but it's looking great.

[fund razor]

Ok, now it's in there with resin. Biaxial weave matt wetted with resin. That seals the tank cell back in, cause the other end with the new wood is taped. I thought about a layer of mat at that end too.... but at some point.... (I am now 2 layers of chop strand and one layer of weave ahead of factory. But I am replacing lost stiffening, too)

[fund razor]

Yep. I ended up covering the forward end of the tank cell with weave matt too. What the heck. Now the entire tank cell is glassed in. The front end has picked up two layers of glass (one chop, one weave) and one layer of 1/4 inch plywood. The aft end has picked up three layers of glass (two chop, one weave) and one layer of 23/32 plywood. I was thinking about how much weight I added: a few pounds of plywood. About 5 pounds of resin. A few pounds of glass matt. Maybe 20 pounds max. Meanwhile I reduced the tank size from 135 to 126, (tank is a couple of pounds lighter, and has about 50 pounds less capacity) and I removed all of the saturated foam and rot.

I think that I will net a slight reduction in weight.

Should be ready for tank install later today or over the weekend.

[Ratickle]

I can see where the front of the fuel cavity has the pvc tubes running to drain water all the way through to the rear engine bilge. Did you also put a drain hole from the cavity itself to the bilge or ?

[fund razor]

I can see where the front of the fuel cavity has the pvc tubes running to drain water all the way through to the rear engine bilge. Did you also put a drain hole from the cavity itself to the bilge or ?

No. I still could, but haven't decided.
My understanding is that new CG regs don't allow a commonly vented bilge with fuel and occupant spaces. (which is why bilge pumps are showing up in forward bilges.) If I did place a tube from the tank cell to the rear bilge... it would be way off to the side because the center stringer and the existing tubes consume so much space at the lowest level of the tank cell. Besides... I think that if my tank splits or a baffle fails and fuel comes out of the tank... that I want it to be held in the fiberglass box that I have created than run back to the rear bilge with the engines.

[fund razor]

I think that I am going to leave the tank cell closed.

[WMF]

Any updates?? pics of motors? is gas tank done? looks like good work on the tank job!!

[Wrinkleface]

[QUOTE=ChiefApache;289165]Everytime I smell resin I start twitching.



Where??????????????????????????:26::reddevil:

[fund razor]

Any updates?? pics of motors? is gas tank done? looks like good work on the tank job!!
Bob Vila of offshore here. :D

Finally had a chance to fit the tank today. The tank is actually bigger than the hole (on purpose). That was a close one. :o
Some ship in a bottle chit going on there, my friend. :)

[fund razor]

It went from a 135 to a 126. To get a 135 in there would have required me to cut the liner, and I decided it was better to cut the tank. This way, although the bulkheads were redone and glassed and the liner is intact. I made the tank the same width as the opening, knowing (hoping) that the tank cover flange would give a little.

[fund razor]

Kinda nice to have a new tank for the new engines. Seems to make sense. No sense connecting brand new power to a corroding, leaking sieve.

[phragle]

or some KY and brute force... :D

[fund razor]

or some KY and brute force... :D

4 Becks Beers and 250 pounds of brute force. :) There is a size 13 shoe print on that sumbinch. I promise you. :D

[phragle]

No mortal gas tank dares mess with THE FUND!!!! The last gas tank that tried to give Fundy a hard time.... well lets just say it was kicked to the curb, in pieces!

[fund razor]

And I will always have my angle grinder man costume. :D

And about 7 or 8 4.5 inch russian angle grinder wheels. :puke:

[phragle]

those russian wheels are cheaper if you buy them buy the gross........ If you buy 5 gross, they will include a miniature chinese vacum to hook to your angle grinder...... that one was my bad.......

[fund razor]

Who knew? They were like 8 bucks. The ability to joke about it is worth more than that. :D

[Buoy]

Bob Vila of offshore here. :D

Finally had a chance to fit the tank today. The tank is actually bigger than the hole (on purpose). That was a close one. :o
Some ship in a bottle chit going on there, my friend. :)

You need to trim the trees.:)

Just kidding buddy, congrats on getting her in.
Are you still hoping to get her wet this season?
Is it realistic on time and $$?

[fund razor]

You need to trim the trees.:)

I moved it to a secluded spot because the neighbors kept seeing me in goggles, respirator and rubber gloves and thought I was running a meth lab. No... actually I backed it until it wasn't under the taller trees. :)



Just kidding buddy, congrats on getting her in.
Are you still hoping to get her wet this season?
Is it realistic on time and $$?
Thanks.

Who knows.

[Buoy]

I moved it to a secluded spot because the neighbors kept seeing me in goggles, respirator and rubber gloves and thought I was running a meth lab.


Multi-Tasking. And provide income for boat projects.
Nice!:sifone:

[fund razor]

Big Shout out to Atlantic Coastal Welding for the perfect job on the tank. Lots of specs, and 100% dead on. Nice people too. And fast.

[Brian41]

Fund what about the engines ? I am ready for them....

[fund razor]

Hi Brian.

Amazing how time flies. Is it mid-september already?
They aren't done. Beginning to look like next year.
The dyno cell looks good. I'll bet you have been having almost as much fun as running your boat. :)

[fund razor]

Decided to reset the finish line for 2010.

[Geronimo36]

Big Shout out to Atlantic Coastal Welding for the perfect job on the tank. Lots of specs, and 100% dead on. Nice people too. And fast.

Cool, I'm glad you decided to go to them!:driving:

[fund razor]

Cool, I'm glad you decided to go to them!:driving:
Me too. I worked with John Gallo, he was great. They had no problem with my "special" requests. It's a great tank. I am more than pleased with it, and it needed to be exactly what I ordered to the fraction of the inch. There was zero room for error, and there were zero errors. It was fast too.

www.speedytanks.com

[fund razor]

I need to decide about paint. I was going with the old colors (Red, Blue and stainless) but now I don't know.

I saw Geronimo's and wondered if a different color would be better. Stainless exhaust tips and stainless valve covers. The red was a little darker than the red on the boat. The interior is all white. Bilge is white.

Intakes and block were blue. Exhaust manifolds were red.

[Ratickle]

I'd pick one main color for everything large. Then have vinyl printed to match the boat design swooshes and colors as an add-on....

In your boats case, probably the darkest reddish color on the boat with the teal swooshes.

[fund razor]

vinyl?

[fund razor]

really?

Vinyl?