Got Serious P O W E R ??? !!!

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Capable of up to 1600 hp and some SERIOUS torque !!! :eek:

Brand new for the Mach 5 Speed Racer in 2010

Thanks to TYPHOON SERVICE CENTER (http://www.typhoonsc.com/) for allowing Sharkey-Images (http://www.sharkey-images.com/home.html) to put these find works of art in front of the lens....:cheers2:

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[03darkshadow]

Wow!

[Tom A.]

Potter + Typhoon = Awesome!

[Jassman]

good looking cleanly set up motors

[MacGyver]

:drool5: :drool5: :drool5:

[C_Spray]

And this is the year that Bob promised us a ride!!

[Ratickle]

And this is the year that Bob promised us a ride!!

All of us????????:sifone:

[OldSchool]

And this is the year that Bob promised us a ride!!


In Islamorada? Yipeee!!!!:cheers2:

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[searaycer]

friggin awesome.........

[2112]

Please excuse my ignorance.

Is the fuel delivery at the back of the blower with one huge Throttle Body?

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[Rush]

Going to need some tall scoops to cover those bad boys! :drool5:

[Wrinkleface]

Schwiiiiinnnnngggggg!!!!!:sifone:

[dykstra]

way cool!

[Sean H]

Going to need some tall scoops to cover those bad boys! :drool5:

actually, should clear easily in a MTI. Notice they are only slightly taller than the headers.

[mbam]

2112, I have the same question. I don't see a fuel rail!

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I know additional parts are being custom fabricated due to the headers being so close. Notice a section where the blue masking tape is on the side of the charger and there is a rag inside the what appears to be a fitting. From what I can see, the fuel regulator is on the rear of the engine just above the WIX filter...

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[HaxbySpeed]

On the whipples the rail and injectors are at the back along with the throttle body..

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And this is what they will be mated to... :sifone:

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They are cutting it close to make it to the Miami Boat Show, but they will be there!

Other mods to the boat need to be done. Notching of a stringer to offset it so that the wider engine will fit. Means cutting out a cross bulkhead, adding another inch to the inside of the stringer then fiberglass back in the cross bulkhead. Fuel delivery lines also need to be redone with larger lines for proper fuel flow. Then lets not forget the sweet pearl paint work to finish off the engine compartment...:cheers2:

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Keep your eyes out for Speed to be at the Miami Poker Run !!!:cheers2:

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[Tom A.]

Hey, I know those guys!
.....and how come I don't see my boat in there?

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Hey, I know those guys!
.....and how come I don't see my boat in there?
I found yours in a undisclosed location. Trust me, it is in a very warm place. :cheers2:

[Madpoodle]

Frank looks like he's enjoying himself there...

[glh]

Sweet mills,

Thanks for the pictures, you should put your band lower it hides a lot of details in the bottom of those mills!

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Sweet mills,

Thanks for the pictures, you should put your band lower it hides a lot of details in the bottom of those mills!
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[DAREDEVIL]

PEEEEUUUTTTY FUULL !!!!!!!! :sifone:

[Bradz]

One of my all time favorite boats. Glad to see it live again. I am curious why the engine is a wet sump oil system with that much power?

[glh]

One of my all time favorite boats. Glad to see it live again. I am curious why the engine is a wet sump oil system with that much power?That's what I was trying to figure out and could not see well enough with the watermarks... Is it wet?

[YoungPerformance]

I am curious why the engine is a wet sump oil system with that much power?

I'm thinking the same thing.

Those must be 8.3 L Whipples with the small amount of overdrive. There is no way they would make that much power with 5 liters and that little overdrive.

It does have one large throttle body with the fuel rail underneath it. The braided hose that goes to the regulator is coming from the fuel rail under the blower. The braided hose on the other side of the rail is coming from the bellhousing cooler that is being used as a fuel cooler.

By the way, very nice looking engines.

[Scarab KV]

Very nice

[2112]

It does have one large throttle body with the fuel rail underneath it. The braided hose that goes to the regulator is coming from the fuel rail under the blower. The braided hose on the other side of the rail is coming from the bellhousing cooler that is being used as a fuel cooler.

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I Need more education.

In my mind, 1600 horsepower will need a lot more fuel volume than a 10AN line will deliver. Is that overcome with higher pressure?

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[Tom A.]

My understanding is that they are set up to run 1300 on 93 octane, and 1600 on race fuel. Not sure of the high pressure fuel pump.

[Geronimo36]

Great lookin engines!!!!

Any reason why they stayed with a wet-sump with that much power?

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[Let 'Er Rip Cig]

Their ECO friendly right? That's bad ass!

[YoungPerformance]

I Need more education.

In my mind, 1600 horsepower will need a lot more fuel volume than a 10AN line will deliver. Is that overcome with higher pressure?

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You actually can support it with a 10 an and a bunch of pressure. Two problems though: it looks to have a Mefi ecm judging from the plugs and such. A mefi will only support high impedence injectors and the 5.0/8.3 Whipple only has room for 10 injectors.(the quadrotors can accept 12 injectors) The largest high impedence injector is 65 lb. There has been talk of a 75 or 80, but I haven't seen it yet. (10) 65 lb injectors will only support about 1500 hp, with a ton of pressure. That leads to problem 2. I don't think that Aeromotive fuel pump has the capacity to run the pressure and volume needed to support 1600 hp.
Not trying to start anything, just answering a question and trying to understand. Maybe he knows something that I don't:confused:
Regardless, they are very nice looking.
Eddie

[gatorone]

24 degree heads and wet sump = 1600 hp?

[Raylar]

Potter has built some nice lookin mills there and those Whipples and intercoolers are a big as the base engine-WOW! ITS TOP HEAVY!
I am scratchin my head along with Eddie and others here why one would spend that much money and go wet sump, and try to get what appears to be one Aeromotive pump to supply the fuel needed for 1600HP. I've like others here have seen some of Sterlings 1600's and I never seen one with wet sump and that fuel system, but what the heck some people got the "answers" sure I don't , way outta my league! In any event I am sure there should be dyno work to prove the outputs. Good Luck Guys! Nice build and hope its everything everbody is looking for, not to mention F***ing Fast!!

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

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They are set up to run 1300 on 93 octane.
I was told they can be turned up to produce 1600 Maybe it was 1500 ??? :confused:. Perhaps other mods need to be done to achieve that but it didn't sound like there was much to do.

So what do they sound like on the Dyno ??? :cheers2:

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OK... So here it is ....... ON PUMP GAS !!!

1300 / 1500 pump gas marine engine 1300 HP @ 6200 RPM and 1128 lb ft on pump gas

Would RACE FUEL get them another 100 ???

[2112]

You actually can support it with a 10 an and a bunch of pressure. Two problems though: it looks to have a Mefi ecm judging from the plugs and such. A mefi will only support high impedence injectors and the 5.0/8.3 Whipple only has room for 10 injectors.(the quadrotors can accept 12 injectors) The largest high impedence injector is 65 lb. There has been talk of a 75 or 80, but I haven't seen it yet. (10) 65 lb injectors will only support about 1500 hp, with a ton of pressure. That leads to problem 2. I don't think that Aeromotive fuel pump has the capacity to run the pressure and volume needed to support 1600 hp.
Not trying to start anything, just answering a question and trying to understand. Maybe he knows something that I don't:confused:
Regardless, they are very nice looking.
Eddie

Thanks,

I have rigged only my own boats and engines and have used several different manufacturer's pumps. One thing they all have in common is the advice that undersized lines defeat the abilities of the pump and can seriously undermine performance, even harm the engine. Not that I am telling anyone who doesn't know that. :USA:

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[Bradz]

Not the pump I would use either. I use that pump on my 725's with -10 lines. I use Magnafuel Prostar 500 pumps with -12 lines on my 1400's. There is a press release on OSO stating they wanted to keep it simple and use a wet sump oiling. I am not sure I agree with that either. Hot whipped up oil and small fuel delivery may work on the dyno. Hopefully they run a long time in the boat, but I got a bad feeling.
Does it also look like the fuel return line is going into the cooler and not to the fuel tank? I have always run the return lines back to the tank even on small engines to cycle the whole tank and keep it cooler.

[Coolerman]

magnafuel prostar 500 is the way to go!

[skaterdave]

Not the pump I would use either. I use that pump on my 725's with -10 lines. I use Magnafuel Prostar 500 pumps with -12 lines on my 1400's. There is a press release on OSO stating they wanted to keep it simple and use a wet sump oiling. I am not sure I agree with that either. Hot whipped up oil and small fuel delivery may work on the dyno. Hopefully they run a long time in the boat, but I got a bad feeling.
Does it also look like the fuel return line is going into the cooler and not to the fuel tank? I have always run the return lines back to the tank even on small engines to cycle the whole tank and keep it cooler.

if you read aeromotives website they have pumps that look like the one used that should easily cover the fuel volume needed. as for the drysump setup, there's a Press Release on OSO explaining the reason behind the wetsump, which to me makes alot of sense for pleasure boat applications. it looks like a very large sumped pan and with a high volume oil pump there should be no problems.

know i don't see how you can compare a Sterling race engine that's going to see 7000 plus rpm in a boat thats going to see alot of G-forces in a race application to a pleasure motor. whats the difference in a Merc 525 compared to a Young Perfomance 1200/1400 engine (crank rotation speed)? the crank probably wont see much over 5500 rpm and they both probably have hydraulic valve train which cant handle much over the 6k rpm. yea the dry sump helps in certain aspects but i just dont see the mandatory need since the HP rating doesn't have any effect on the windage of the crank.

[YoungPerformance]

I see your point Skaterdave. I'll tell you the biggest reason that I use a dry sump oil system on my 1200/1400. That engine is a hyd. roller, but I do turn it harder than my smaller stuff. I will turn that engine to 6500 rpm. That increased windage is one reason. The second reason is that I use valve spring oilers. I am concerned that a wet sump pump will not keep up with the demands. Another reason is that I can hold a bunch more oil. The dry sump tanks I use are 6 gallons total and hold 5 gallons of oil. I ran a few with 16 quart oil pans and it became to hard to control all of that oil when it started sloushing around. The rear main and timing cover seals are not meant to be inundated with oil. If they are, they will leak....and nothing bugs me more than an oil leak. Those are the biggest reasons. However, there is one other......people just expect it on an engine at that level. They may not know what it is or what it does, but they want it and expect it to be there.
Eddie

[runninhotracing]

You actually can support it with a 10 an and a bunch of pressure. Two problems though: it looks to have a Mefi ecm judging from the plugs and such. A mefi will only support high impedence injectors and the 5.0/8.3 Whipple only has room for 10 injectors.(the quadrotors can accept 12 injectors) The largest high impedence injector is 65 lb. There has been talk of a 75 or 80, but I haven't seen it yet. (10) 65 lb injectors will only support about 1500 hp, with a ton of pressure. That leads to problem 2. I don't think that Aeromotive fuel pump has the capacity to run the pressure and volume needed to support 1600 hp.
Not trying to start anything, just answering a question and trying to understand. Maybe he knows something that I don't:confused:
Regardless, they are very nice looking.
Eddie

ditto BIG Daddy :cheers2:

[Chris]

Thanks,

I have rigged only my own boats and engines and have used several different manufacturer's pumps. One thing they all have in common is the advice that undersized lines defeat the abilities of the pump and can seriously undermine performance, even harm the engine. Not that I am telling anyone who doesn't know that. :USA:

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Just saw this on a friend's boat last year. It was plumbed in all AN (37 degree JIC flare) lines. The problem was that the line from the pump to the fuel log was 5,000PSI hydraulic line. It was about an inch OD, but the orifice through the swaged-on fitting was less than 1/4". Not all lines are the same- even though they fit together. And you can't flow anymore than your smallest restriction.

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[skaterdave]

However, there is one other......people just expect it on an engine at that level. They may not know what it is or what it does, but they want it and expect it to be there.
Eddie

i think your right in away as far as people expect it but here's what Potter said:

"I can’t tell you how many times I have heard a customer tell me, the oil pump belt just came off. Our philosophy is to keep things as simple as possible. The fewer parts needed the less chance one of them can fail. This is why all of our poker run engines are wet sump oiled. We design all of our own oil pans and now have our own custom billet oil pump."

honestly most guys that are running these types of motors, probably DON'T spend an hour or so going over every part of the motor so i see his point of view.

agian, the extra work for the spring oilers, is in my opinion, questionable at the rpms these pleasure motors spin. its kinda like the drysump people think it what racers use, so it must be better ??? yea they help but their meant to cool the valve springs by spraying oil on them. if your running around 180 degree oil temp (most guys aren't even this hot) your motor is not at the point where it needs to worry about valve springs creating heat and having to run oilers. as far as turning a hydraulic lifter over 6000 your pushing it, atleast in my book. and if there is any kinda of oil pressure problems the hydraulic lifter are going to notice it right away, since they need oil pressure to function properly, compared to a solid roller.

Eddie i'm sure your understand all this, but i think alot of people could educate themselves to better learn how the engines are to be run and maintenanced.

[BraceYourself]

I see your point Skaterdave. I'll tell you the biggest reason that I use a dry sump oil system on my 1200/1400. That engine is a hyd. roller, but I do turn it harder than my smaller stuff. I will turn that engine to 6500 rpm. That increased windage is one reason. The second reason is that I use valve spring oilers. I am concerned that a wet sump pump will not keep up with the demands. Another reason is that I can hold a bunch more oil. The dry sump tanks I use are 6 gallons total and hold 5 gallons of oil. I ran a few with 16 quart oil pans and it became to hard to control all of that oil when it started sloushing around. The rear main and timing cover seals are not meant to be inundated with oil. If they are, they will leak....and nothing bugs me more than an oil leak. Those are the biggest reasons. However, there is one other......people just expect it on an engine at that level. They may not know what it is or what it does, but they want it and expect it to be there.
Eddie

Makes sense to me.

[Tom A.]

Straight from Ron Potter:
"Potter Performance Engines Inc. of Bradenton Florida has just completed there new 1300/1500 HP Wet Sump Engine. The vast majority of high horse power marine engines are typically dry sump oiled. This type of oiling system is primarily used to gain every bit of horse power possible. Our years of experience in the high performance marine industry has taught us many things, including, if it can break it probably will.

I can’t tell you how many times I have heard a customer tell me, the oil pump belt just came off. Our philosophy is to keep things as simple as possible. The fewer parts needed the less chance one of them can fail. This is why all of our poker run engines are wet sump oiled. We design all of our own oil pans and now have our own custom billet oil pump. When Bob Christie of Typhoon service center asked me if we could build him a wet sump1300 horse power engine for his 44 MTI Speed Racer I said no problem. Bob was told by other engine builders this was impossible. So the challenge was on. We sat down and put together a plan, utilizing concepts and ideas that I had been thinking about for some time. Well, the engines were done and all that was left was Dyno testing. I contacted my old friends at Nor-tech to see if we could test these at there facility so there would be no question about the power numbers. After three days of mapping it was time to make a pull. The engines produced 1312 HP and 1125 lb ft of torque at 6200 RPM on pump gas. With a pulley change and race gas, these engines should produce around 1500 HP. We are always working on new ideas for the future and have to thank our many loyal customers for there support."

[runninhotracing]

I know additional parts are being custom fabricated due to the headers being so close. Notice a section where the blue masking tape is on the side of the charger and there is a rag inside the what appears to be a fitting. From what I can see, the fuel regulator is on the rear of the engine just above the WIX filter...

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Sharkey nice pics ,thanks for sharing what boost,heads & hydraulic or solid cams ?:cheers2:

[Raylar]

I guess my take is these guys have a lot of expierence with these big power supercharged engines and if it works and stays togther without problems, then there is no arguing with that. Time in the boat running in all condtions will prove it up or not and with their investment in dollars, I don't think they are going to take many un-neccesary risks!

SkaterDave:

Just one thought here. Any performance race or pleasure craft performance engine that is producing 1300-1500HP has got to be pretty much the same engine. The engine does not know what boat its in and its got to have components and a build and spec. that will allow it to produce that kind of power and stay in one piece! A lot of performance boaters obviously sometimes have no clue how specific these engines and compnents have to be to produce these type of power levels for any kind of performance boating.

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

[YoungPerformance]

honestly most guys that are running these types of motors, probably DON'T spend an hour or so going over every part of the motor so i see his point of view.


agian, the extra work for the spring oilers, is in my opinion, questionable at the rpms these pleasure motors spin. its kinda like the drysump people think it what racers use, so it must be better ??? yea they help but their meant to cool the valve springs by spraying oil on them. if your running around 180 degree oil temp (most guys aren't even this hot) your motor is not at the point where it needs to worry about valve springs creating heat and having to run oilers. as far as turning a hydraulic lifter over 6000 your pushing it, atleast in my book. and if there is any kinda of oil pressure problems the hydraulic lifter are going to notice it right away, since they need oil pressure to function properly, compared to a solid roller.



That is absolutely correct. However, I have never had a belt come off, or even come loose. I use shouldered pulleys that really won't let the belt come off. I also have an alarm system tied into the ecm that will put the engine in limp mode if the oil pressure drops. It will also set off an audible alarm. It may still be to late if the belt comes off, so I don't really want to test it.:sifone:



6500 rpm is no problem for the lifters. They are good to over 7000 rpm. I also run a 210* oil thermostat, so the oil will hit 220*. I run the water ice cold, so I need some oil temp to stop condensation from forming in the oil. I want the oil at or near the boiling point of water. I am also trying to get these engines to go for 150 hrs., so I want all the help I can get for the valvetrain. It is the problem area, so it needs the most attention. I can't really say if the spring oilers help or not, but I know they don't hurt.
Bottom line is that there is more than one way to do it. A wet sump system can certainly work. My way works for me, but it sure isn't the only way to do it. I'm sure his way will work fine to.
Eddie

[skaterdave]

Young Perf., curious, who's hydaulic lifters are you using ?

[YoungPerformance]

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[skaterdave]

I can’t tell you how many times I have heard a customer tell me, the oil pump belt just came off. Our philosophy is to keep things as simple as possible. The fewer parts needed the less chance one of them can fail. This is why all of our poker run engines are wet sump oiled. We design all of our own oil pans and now have our own custom billet oil pump.

Just one thought here. Any performance race or pleasure craft performance engine that is producing 1300-1500HP has got to be pretty much the same engine. The engine does not know what boat its in and its got to have components and a build and spec. that will allow it to produce that kind of power and stay in one piece! A lot of performance boaters obviously sometimes have no clue how specific these engines and compnents have to be to produce these type of power levels for any kind of performance boating.

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

agree, i think the thing here thats overlooked in rpm range. over 6k things start to take a beating and it rapidly gets worse. theres a big difference between a running a pleasure motor occasionaly at 6500 and a race engine at 7600.

i just find it odd that someone would be a 1200 hp motor and stick hydraulic lifter in it but then add jesel rockers and spring oilers?

[Geronimo36]

So they addressed the dry sump vs. wet sump, did they address the Chevy style head questions?

Again, not trying to bash just curious... Ron built a bunch of engines for my friends father who had and still has some very well known Nortech cats and the feedback I was given was excellent. Plus, when I visited Nortech several years ago I was really impressed with his shop.

[YoungPerformance]

i just find it odd that someone would be a 1200 hp motor and stick hydraulic lifter in it but then add jesel rockers and spring oilers?

Why is that?
The vast majority of my customers have no idea how to set valves, nor do they want to be bothered with having it done. The hyd. stuff is maintenance free, which can't be said of a solid roller. The hyd. setup should easily outlast a solid roller. I use Jesel shaft rockers because I want all the stability I can get at 6000 rpm. That, and it's the best.(as is T&D) Again, it is expected in an engine at that level. I think it is pretty much a most at that level. Also, by the time you add up rockers, guide plates, studs, stud girdles, etc., the shaft rockers are only about $200 more. I think that is a no brainer for $200.
The spring may or may not be needed, but they sure can't hurt. I am looking for all the longevity I can get. Hope this helps explain it.
Eddie

[skaterdave]

understood

[Shanghied Again]

Please excuse my ignorance.

Is the fuel delivery at the back of the blower with one huge Throttle Body?

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No problem. The engine it has (10) 83 pound injectors inside the throttle body...

[Shanghied Again]

Going to need some tall scoops to cover those bad boys! :drool5:

The Engines have plenty of room under the hatches, they are actually 6" lower then the older engines.

[Shanghied Again]

One of my all time favorite boats. Glad to see it live again. I am curious why the engine is a wet sump oil system with that much power?
The engines are built for reliability, They are running enough HP and don't need to be dry sump to make the HP or much boost. Who needs an engine failure if a belt breaks!

[Geronimo36]

Who needs an engine failure if a belt breaks!

Do these mills have Jesel Belt drives? :)

What and how were the reliability of the old Speed Racer Engines? I believe they had some Sterlings before the 1075's?

[BraceYourself]

Do these mills have Jesel Belt drives? :)

What and how were the reliability of the old Speed Racer Engines? I believe they had some Sterlings before the 1075's?

GREAT question. How many hours did the previous engines go and what probelms were encountered.

[SpeedRacer]

Original Engines were 1,500 Sterlings. They lasted less then a few hours. When I bought the boat(without power), I put my 1,200 Potter motors from Perfect Storm into Speed Racer. They ran perfect for two years. I sold them to generate some cash for the new motors.

The previous Potter motors went 120 hours before they were rebuilt at the end of a season

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Welcome aboard Bob !!! :cheers2:

[Rush]

Original Engines were 1,500 Sterlings. They lasted less then a few hours. When I bought the boat(without power), I put my 1,200 Potter motors from Perfect Storm into Speed Racer. They ran perfect for two years. I sold them to generate some cash for the new motors.

The previous Potter motors went 120 hours before they were rebuilt at the end of a season

Good luck with her! that is a beautiful boat!

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Sharkey nice pics ,thanks for sharing what boost,heads & hydraulic or solid cams ?:cheers2:

Thanks RHT !

I'm a photographer and will be the 1st to tell you I know nothing when it comes to building an engine...

But now that I have generated some attention with these fine mills, the owner himself Speed Racer has now signed up with Serious Offshore ! :cheers2:

and of course, Shanghied Again has most of the details as he lives with this boat all week long... :D

[Geronimo36]

Original Engines were 1,500 Sterlings. They lasted less then a few hours. When I bought the boat(without power), I put my 1,200 Potter motors from Perfect Storm into Speed Racer. They ran perfect for two years. I sold them to generate some cash for the new motors.

The previous Potter motors went 120 hours before they were rebuilt at the end of a season

Thanks for the info and good luck with the new mills!:cheers2:

[Bradz]

Mercury 1075 and 1200 engines are dry sump. Never heard of belts falling off on those either. Only belts I have heard of falling off were on dirt track race cars. They can fall off from debris off other cars hitting the belt. Still very rare.

[Coolerman]

So they addressed the dry sump vs. wet sump, did they address the Chevy style head questions?



With a good exhaust port, an efficient blower and good intercooler, with the right cam as well, you can easily make 1400hp+ with 23* chev heads.

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[2112]

Original Engines were 1,500 Sterlings. They lasted less then a few hours.


Wow, definitely not consistent with their reputation. :(

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[Shanghied Again]

Original Engines were 1,500 Sterlings. They lasted less then a few hours. When I bought the boat(without power), I put my 1,200 Potter motors from Perfect Storm into Speed Racer. They ran perfect for two years. I sold them to generate some cash for the new motors.

The previous Potter motors went 120 hours before they were rebuilt at the end of a season
The boat was purchased without power, we installed Potter Performance 1200 engines that ran excelent for 2 years. They were out of the Perfect Storm completely rebuilt. We sold the engines last year and was time to build new ones.
We never ran the sterlings.

[Geronimo36]

Frank, do the new mills have Jesel belt drive cams, chain or gears?

[Geronimo36]

With a good exhaust port, an efficient blower and good intercooler, with the right cam as well, you can easily make 1400hp+ with 23* chev heads.

Cool, thanks for the info! :)

[PatriYacht]

RFD ported Edelbrock Victors are good for 1200 hp naturally asperated in drag racing so they can definately flow enough air. Big Chief style heads have a whole set of valvetrain geometry issues of their own. I can see why the builder might want to avoid them. The hp limiting factor seems to be that pistons get too hot at sustained high output above 1500 hp. Am I correct on this?

[gatorone]

Well I guess the true dyno will be the boat..They don't discriminate:USA:

[runninhotracing]

Thanks RHR !

I'm a photographer and will be the 1st to tell you I know nothing when it comes to building an engine...

But now that I have generated some attention with these fine mills, the owner himself Speed Racer has now signed up with Serious Offshore ! :cheers2:

and of course, Shanghied Again has most of the details as he lives with this boat all week long... :D

Cool & thanks SHARKEY :cheers2:

[MarylandMark]

Welcome aboard Bob !!! :cheers2:

+1 :cheers2: Great, great, great thread!

[BOJOE2]

thanks rht !

I'm a photographer and will be the 1st to tell you i know nothing when it comes to building an engine...

But now that i have generated some attention with these fine mills, the owner himself speed racer has now signed up with serious offshore ! :cheers2:

And of course, shanghied again has most of the details as he lives with this boat all week long... :d

tim, bob has been here since the beginning he is a charter member he has just been hanging and reading but now posting :)

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tim, bob has been here since the beginning he is a charter member he has just been hanging and reading but now posting :)

My mistake. I saw the total posts = 3 and just assumed. So at least now he is no longer a lurker...... :cheers2:

[C_Spray]

My mistake. I saw the total posts = 3 and just assumed. So at least now he is no longer a lurker...... :cheers2:
Having hung out with Bob on the last two NJPPC Chesapeake Bay Rendezvous', I can tell you he's no lurker - the guy is a 100% participant. He!! of a dockboy, too...

[top ven]

Bob , Team Kaos is looking forward to partying at the Miami Poker Run with you again !!!

[BOJOE2]

having hung out with bob on the last two njppc chesapeake bay rendezvous', i can tell you he's no lurker - the guy is a 100% participant. He!! Of a dockboy, too...

lol :)

[BOJOE2]

Bob , Team Kaos is looking forward to partying at the Miami Poker Run with you again !!!

We will be there in party mode :)

[SpeedRacer]

Very much looking forward to Miami Boat Show and running the boat in the Poker Run. One engine was installed this past Saturday and we should be running both at the shop this weekend. Total re-rigging from the dash back as well as new sound and video system. Every hose as well as 24 gueages(many manual) were re-rigged.

Looking forward to getting behind the wheel again. We will start test runs out of Grove Harbor on Monday of the Miami Boat Show.

[AIR TIME]

congrats:driving:, wish you the best on your testing.can't wait to get mine out for a run, I am hoping for 100 plus and you must be going for 180 plus with 1300hp a side:driving: be safe and have fun.

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Both engines were in and running today !!! :driving:

Bilge hasn't been cleaned yet so excuse any filth..... ;)

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[Tom A.]

Great shots as always Tim!

[phragle]

Don't get me wrong... I am not criticizing the rigging at all, just sharing a trick. When you ziptie something on like the control cable to the braided hose, I like to space it with the ziptie going thru a little piece of rubber/silicon etc tubing, this prevents chaffing against the braid due to vibration. This holds the control cable in place, but also protects it and allows a little wiggle room by providing a slight stand-off. Motocross/atv aftermarket fuelcap vent tubing works well and comes in a wide range of colors to matc the motor/bilge etc.....

[glh]

Straight from Ron Potter:
"...I can’t tell you how many times I have heard a customer tell me, the oil pump belt just came off...I'm up to $20k in fixing crap on one mill just because of that this winter alone.... Plus the missed enjoyment. I can certainly understand Mr. Potter's logic.

I also had a oil pump belt jump off when I blew out a blower belt this summer.

I had billet Titan oil pumps in my 653ci/1000hp Zull's in my Tiger and they never had an oil failure.

[glh]

Bob,

Congrats on a great looking ride.

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GLH,
Will you be at the Miami Boat Show?

[MarylandMark]

:(

I hope it is some thing simple and he's back on the water sooner than later.

[BraceYourself]

What happened?

[MarylandMark]

Oppps-- I was reading this thread and thought I was posting on this one; Quick Update from the Miami Poker Run (http://www.seriousoffshore.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14831)

From Matt Trulio:

http://www.boats.com/boat-content/2010/02/miami-poker-run-sees-bigger-fleet/

Unfortunately for Christie and the Speed Racer crew, his well-known MTI 44-footer was sidelined early in the run with calibration issues in its new 1,300-hp electronically fuel-injected, supercharged engines from Potter Performance Engines.

"What are you going to do?" Christie told me over the phone as he and throttleman Chuck Burke idled back to Grove Harbor. "Obviously, I'm very disappointed, but there's nothing I can do about it now."

Then Christie answered his own question. "I'll tell you what we're going to do," he said. "We're going to clean up the boat, put it on the trailer and then we're going to drive down to Islamorada and hang out and party with everyone at the Tiki Bar. This run is all about the people who come. Of course, I want my boat to be there and I'm disappointed. But first and foremost, it's about the people."

[Sea-Dated]

:drool5: :drool5: :drool5:

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

[C_Spray]

From Matt Trulio:

"I'll tell you what we're going to do," he said. "We're going to clean up the boat, put it on the trailer and then we're going to drive down to Islamorada and hang out and party with everyone at the Tiki Bar. This run is all about the people who come. Of course, I want my boat to be there and I'm disappointed. But first and foremost, it's about the people."

That's our Bob! :iagree:

[Tom A.]

I can tell you it is a computer and/or sensor issue. There was an issue with too much fuel during idle and low speed. So much for the lack of fuel questions!

[GENERAL LEE]

Speed Racer is my overall favorite MTI as well http://smiliesftw.com/x/cool.gif (http://smiliesftw.com)


Hasn't it had at least 3 completely different "brands" of engines in it, since it was new?

It had the 1350/1550 Sterlings first.

Then, didn't it have JC Perf motors next? I remember JC posting that he'd just rebuilt, or built new motors for Speed Racer, as well as including a picture of them in his shop with JC Perf valve covers: Right here (http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/general-boating-discussion/210866-gino-i-got-what-you-need-just-finished-my-shop.html)


After them, from what I can remember, they were pulled, and the boat was sold without power, which must be when SpeedRacer, that posting here in this thread, bought the boat.

SpeedRacer here on the board, then put his Potter motors in, which as he said, ran 200+ hours, and the boat is still running Potter motors today.

Did the boat have a set of 1075's in it at some point as well, making the amount of different engines/builders that the boat has ran, 4?

Just curious http://smiliesftw.com/x/coolugh.gif (http://smiliesftw.com)

[Tom A.]

The Original "Speed Racer" that Bob now owns originally had Stirlings in it. He bought it with no engines and installed the Ron Potter motors he had from his previous boat "Perfect Storm". He just had these new ones built over the winter.
There are at least two other Speed Racer clones out there, maybe three. The race boat, Little Speed Racer, and I thought there was one in Europe but that may have been the little SR.

[GENERAL LEE]

The Original "Speed Racer" that Bob now owns originally had Stirlings in it. He bought it with no engines and installed the Ron Potter motors he had from his previous boat "Perfect Storm". He just had these new ones built over the winter.
There are at least two other Speed Racer clones out there, maybe three. The race boat, Little Speed Racer, and I thought there was one in Europe but that may have been the little SR.


I mentioned the Sterlings & Potter engines already.

Here are the JC's that were in it, according to JC: Click here (http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/general-boating-discussion/210866-gino-i-got-what-you-need-just-finished-my-shop.html)

Those are all from the main Speed Racer 44MTI, that was at the Miami Boat Show, that Randy Kent built... and that's 3 different kinds of power. I just find that uncommon is all.

[JupiterSunsation]

I mentioned the Sterlings & Potter engines already.

Here are the JC's that were in it, according to JC: Click here (http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/general-boating-discussion/210866-gino-i-got-what-you-need-just-finished-my-shop.html)

Those are all from the main Speed Racer 44MTI, that was at the Miami Boat Show, that Randy Kent built... and that's 3 different kinds of power. I just find that uncommon is all.


Sounds like he needs some Pure Platinum Chiefs under the hatch! :D

[GENERAL LEE]

Sounds like he needs some Pure Platinum Chiefs under the hatch! :D

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That's one of the last few the boat hasn't tried anyway! http://smiliesftw.com/x/hititbag.gif (http://smiliesftw.com)

[SHARKEY-IMAGES]

I mentioned the Sterlings & Potter engines already.

Here are the JC's that were in it, according to JC: Click here (http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/general-boating-discussion/210866-gino-i-got-what-you-need-just-finished-my-shop.html)

Those are all from the main Speed Racer 44MTI, that was at the Miami Boat Show, that Randy Kent built... and that's 3 different kinds of power. I just find that uncommon is all.
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[Pro1]

How much juice do these make?

[Team Tsunami]

I think those made 1300?? Not sure. They still look good though!:D Wonder what they'll end up in next!:D

[BOJOE2]

that's our bob! :iagree:
and no pussers it was all kettle one vodka

[Tom A.]

Never knew it had JC's in it. I only know the boat since Bob bought it w/ no power and was told they pulled the Stirlings out of it.

[Team Tsunami]

Well arnt they technically Sterlings or started off as Sterlings??

[Pro1]

Sterling website states 1500's.

[Geronimo36]

Then, didn't it have JC Perf motors next? I remember JC posting that he'd just rebuilt, or built new motors for Speed Racer, as well as including a picture of them in his shop with JC Perf valve covers: Right here (http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/general-boating-discussion/210866-gino-i-got-what-you-need-just-finished-my-shop.html)

Never knew it had JC's in it. I only know the boat since Bob bought it w/ no power and was told they pulled the Stirlings out of it.
Jeff rebuilt those engines but they weren't going back into SR, they were purchased by someone else.

[40FlatDeck]

This thread should be.....Got serious P R O B L E M S ??? !!!

:sifone:

Its a joke!!