Whole Body Scanners

[Wobble]

http://current.newsweek.com/budgettravel/2009/05/activists_are_calling_to_ban_w.html


Given this weeks scare, I thought I'd get some feedback on the new body scanners. I realize that people have privacy concerns, personally I don't give a crap about privacy when it comes to safe air travel.

Lets hear it

[MacGyver]

I say use any technology that will keep air travel safe.

[cigdaze]

I'm all for it. Use every available piece of technology we have at our disposal, I say!
To heck with the ACLU and those who oppose it. I'd rather travel soundly knowing that there's no where left to hide anything, than worry about some privacy.

[Wrinkleface]

I say use any technology that will keep air travel safe.

Right on Mac, I have noth'n 2 hide but I'm afraid my phone may start ring'n off the hook from all the porn people!!!!!:biggrinjester:

[MarylandMark]

I sure wish you used a hot chick to demonstrate the technology..

[fund razor]

Wow. That's a good one. I think that I could argue effectively for either side.
But, I guess that I already know that I am fat, so if the federal government finds out... so be it. As long as they don't link up with the national health care and call it an MRI.

[03darkshadow]

Right on Mac, I have noth'n 2 hide but I'm afraid my phone may start ring'n off the hook from all the porn people!!!!!:biggrinjester:



they already have plenty of chicks in the industry. :bump:



on topic, im all for it as long as it has the potential to make me and my family safer.

[MacGyver]

Right on Mac, I have noth'n 2 hide but I'm afraid my phone may start ring'n off the hook from all the porn people!!!!!:biggrinjester:

What, saying don't bother to apply :rofl:

[fund razor]

Eww.

[DollaBill]

I don't know about airport security but I could def use one of those

[Wobble]

Life imitates sci-fi once again

Arnold in Total Recall


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CX9Agzeh-c

[OldSchool]

I'm all for it. Anyone that would be against it either has something to hide.....or is a flaming ACLU loving liberal!!

It would make for some interesting court cases with people who are charged with drug possesion after being caught with a bag of weed or coke in their undies or bra!!

[DollaBill]

I'm all for it. Anyone that would be against it either has something to hide.....or is a flaming ACLU loving liberal!!

It would make for some interesting court cases with people who are charged with drug possesion after being caught with a bag of weed or coke in their undies or bra!!

yeah, you could'nt get away with that any more

[Wobble]

yeah, you could'nt get away with that any more

Apparently on further reading, Congress is going to require that genital areas be automatically blurred, seems that would defeat the purpose, especially in the case of the Nigerian underwear bomb this week:cuss:

[DollaBill]

then what's the friggin point>???

[Scarab KV]

Is this the same as a cat scan. Wasn't there something in the news last week about CAT's linked to cancer now.
Would suck to be a frequent flier

[Wobble]

Here's an idea, two lanes at the airport.

Full body scan and on your flight in 20 minutes
or

2-3 hours in line for regular screening along with shoe and belt removal and body frisks which I now hear are very thorough...yuk

[Wobble]

Is this the same as a cat scan. Wasn't there something in the news last week about CAT's linked to cancer now.
Would suck to be a frequent flier

Not like a cat scan though it may deserve some more study. Cat scans are whole body x-rays and contribute to your total lifetime radiation dosage as does air travel for that matter (about 100 times the level encountered at ground level)

[Wobble]

:sifone:

[sledge]

Who makes these things?

Because until you have them installed at every single airport terminal in the world, the bad guys will find, and use, the path that provides the weakest link to security.

[Wobble]

Who makes these things?

Because until you have them installed at every single airport terminal in the world, the bad guys will find, and use, the path that provides the weakest link to security.

do you smell a good stock buy?

[sledge]

If it hasn't been bid up already and the current mfr has some IP/patent protection.

[Knot 4 Me]

All for it. I would give the scanners a good chuckle. "Is that a Ken doll that just went through?!" :eek: :sifone:

[waterboy222]

Will it show implants? ;-)

[Sea-Dated]

Will it show implants? ;-)

I am sure you are safe........ :sifone:

[waterboy222]

I am sure you are safe........ :sifone:


WHEW!:willy_nilly:

[cigdaze]

Who makes these things?

Because until you have them installed at every single airport terminal in the world, the bad guys will find, and use, the path that provides the weakest link to security.

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Should have bought some in '01.

[Wobble]

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:ASEI
http://www.as-e.com/

Should have bought some in '01.

four bucks to near 80, thats sweet.

[PARADOX]

As fas as I go.. they can scan what ever the hack they want.
The problem is we got security personnel in Miami that can't speak / read English..
I was "detained" in Chicago and my mostly empty tooth pase was confiscated, yet my Husky.. sort of Swiss Army knife was left untouched in my bag. (I travel a lot, with car and air, and I forgot to remove it from my bag. No one recognized it.
I'm for security that makes sence and works. What we got is a JOKE.
I know employees of Air lines with out Citizenship, by passing security.
I had tools and misc. "articles" that could be used as a "weapon" countless times, and I get my Christmas cookies taken last year becouse they were too big.
The system SUXS. :cuss:

[ThrottleUp Props]

I sit with mixed feelings on this one....For the last two years EVERTIME I have flown somewere Matt walks right on thru, not a worry in the world. While I on the otherhand have been subjected to "Pat Downs". They are of course always performed by another women. I came to the conclusion that I, am the token patsy. The one that they look for, to eliminate accusations of racial profiling. Well, that is at least what I have been telling myself. But it never fails I always get pulled aside and patted down. Go figure.

So, I am not really sure what is worse the "bull dyke pat down" or the "perv-wray".

Julie

[sy goldberg]

Will it show STECZ'S tampon ?

[publius]

Don't really want some public school educated idiot perv doing a body scan on my daughter or wife when I don't think it will really make a difference anyway. Anyone who has the resolve to blow themselves up for their "cause" can find a way to get it on a plane with these geniuses working security. Qualified, educated, professional law enforcement is what is needed, not these rejects working the gates. If you really want to get rid of the problem, allow any law enforcement or concealed weapons permit carriers to travel armed. It'll ruin a hi-jackers day when he starts schit and an 'ol boy from Miss. or LA. pulls out a .357.

[boostbros]

these are already useless they(terrorist) have been perfecting storing explosives inside the body thats how they blew up a prince its really not hard to carry a very powerful boomer inside the body watch this vid if you really want to be scared of how this stuff works and kids could do it scary very scary http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=079_1261862556

[cuda]

Not like a cat scan though it may deserve some more study. Cat scans are whole body x-rays and contribute to your total lifetime radiation dosage as does air travel for that matter (about 100 times the level encountered at ground level)

I don't know of anyone who died of a catscan. I've had several myself.

[sledge]

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:ASEI
http://www.as-e.com/

Should have bought some in '01.

All that matters is from tomorrow forward... :D

Traders gapped them up after the recent incident, trading at $70 before that. With a dividend and a sub-20 PE it's not a terrible long term pick. If they start getting orders for these machines, it'll run over 100...

[PARADOX]

Don't really want some public school educated idiot perv doing a body scan on my daughter or wife when I don't think it will really make a difference anyway. Anyone who has the resolve to blow themselves up for their "cause" can find a way to get it on a plane with these geniuses working security. Qualified, educated, professional law enforcement is what is needed, not these rejects working the gates. If you really want to get rid of the problem, allow any law enforcement or concealed weapons permit carriers to travel armed. It'll ruin a hi-jackers day when he starts schit and an 'ol boy from Miss. or LA. pulls out a .357.

+1
And a few 9 MM's and a couple of 44 Mags won't hurt either.
Go ahead.. make my day.

[Wobble]

Don't really want some public school educated idiot perv doing a body scan on my daughter or wife when I don't think it will really make a difference anyway. .

The way the system is set up the person reading the image can not see who is in the scanner, in fact they need not even be in the airport. They just send a signal if they see something requiring further inspection.


It'll ruin a hi-jackers day when he starts schit and an 'ol boy from Miss. or LA. pulls out a .357.

I'm afraid that the terrorist techniques have moved on past the point where physical interference is going to make a difference, it would be nice to blow a few limbs off them though

[Wobble]

When I was working the international oil fields in the early 80's they set up a drug sniffing machine right in the center of the customs hall at Houston airport. They would pull people out of line including me twice and have them stand in this machine for a couple of minutes in front of hundreds of people. Now that's what I call an invasion of privacy and embarrassing too.
I never saw it make a positive detection and they disappeared after a year or so

[cigdaze]

All that matters is from tomorrow forward... :D

That's my life story. Hindsight is 20/20...foresight is 50/50.
;)

[cuda]

That's my life story. Hindsight is 20/20...foresight is 50/50.
;)

It's more like 20/200. Blind as a bat. I think my sister is 20/200. :(

[Chris]

Pretty much everything causes cancer- but the biggest is the typical American's lack of fitness and poor diet. Airport scanners aren't going to make a statistical dent in our national health issues.

As far as invasion of privacy, I don't see it. There is no specific Constitutional guarantee of privacy. The 4th gives you protection against unreasonable search and seizure. Given the events of the last few decades, making sure people don't bring weapons onto commercial flights and the techniques used to ensure that surely couldn't be considered unreasonable by any measure. The 14th- the "due process clause", has been interpreted as guaranteeing a right to privacy, but I see it more as a guarantee of being able to make your own personal decisions. And I think a line is crossed when you enter a private business, (commercial airliner) and seek close quarter with a concentration of other individuals (public welfare) in an environment closely controlled by the government in the interests of public safety.

What further nullifies the argument of invasion of privacy is the fact that you have options. You can bypass the scanner and get a manual inspection. Or you can take the bus, train or drive.


Having said all that, I don't trust my government. Nothing personal, but I've lived through enough of the numbskull stunts our elected officials have pulled. Sometimes well-intentioned, sometimes not. I know in some cubicle somewhere there's someone trying to figure out how to glean some sort of information so they can make some new rule governing my personal activities. When laws are being passed restricting what kind of oil my french fries may be cooked in are passed, it's tough to blindly trust any of the SOB's.

[Uncle Dave]

Chris's distrust of govt is healthy and I share it.

To mirror what publius says- The TSA is little more than a bunch of low paid rent a cops with a license to steal.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/13/eveningnews/main643165.shtml

There is other technology more suited to explosive detection- this technology will likely detect explosives even up your keyster - without the personal violations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqb0-fgGJU8

If the Whole body scanner get implemented it wont be a week and you will see colorized pictures of not only "your junk" but your wifes, sisters, mom and every celebrity on the world on the web from these scanners. I could personally care less about it, but it WILL happen. I really doubt there will be remote scanning done. Even though the machine isnt supposed to output you think a joker with a hogleg strapped to his leg wont have his picture posted somehow- come on. all that will be required to get those picts out is a digital camera pointed at the screen.

The technology itself isn't the problem its the people running it.
They have been PROVEN to be untrustworthy over time.



UD

[Chris]

My understanding is that the machines are incapable of storing the information. It's displayed as on a television. Once the image leaves the screen, there's no recapture. I've seen the images. Unless you knew the person really well, you couldn't identify them from the facial image anyway.

[Uncle Dave]

My understanding is that the machines are incapable of storing the information. It's displayed as on a television. Once the image leaves the screen, there's no recapture. I've seen the images. Unless you knew the person really well, you couldn't identify them from the facial image anyway.

SUPPOSEDLY they dont hold images, I dont buy that for a second.
Id bet they will certainly have an image to prosecute you with.

All a TSA D-Bag needs to do is point his 100.00 camera at the screen and take a picture.

They seem to lookgood enough to match a hot chick to to me.
Once click of her before she walks in side by side with a high res pictures of her rack.

For me - I dont really care, but peoples privacy WILL be violated.


UD

[mosi]

I say.....Let's fly NAKED!!!!!

[Sea-Dated]

I say.....Let's fly NAKED!!!!!

NO!!! for every 1 person you want to see naked there are 999 that you would pay to put their clothes back on......:ack2:

[rbhudelson]

We have one at our Airport in Tulsa. I love it because it saves me 10 to 30 minutes. I have a hip implant and can't make through the magnetometer without setting it off. but in Tulsa, i can just use that line and bypass the pat down and cavity search.

[Ratickle]

I think you use everything that works. If the full body scan, combined with the "Puff" machine makes it safe, do it. And besides, the only pics posted will be of famous people like Chris and Stecz, not us low-lifes......:sifone:

[Bobcat]

I'm pretty certain the novelty of a hot naked chick would wear off quickly, especially if you are looking at 500 naked people a shift.:ack2: